Talking tonight with a fellow Dem tonight and we agree (ruefully) that Bloomberg might just

[CTyankee]

be the only candidate that can really get up Trump's ass and beat him in the election. And Amy K. is our best bet as the running mate cause she'd mop up the midwest with Trump's hairball.

So we pondered that and, since neither of us drink any more, we decided we were OK with it, weird as it sounds, and mourned that we couldn't have the politics we wanted, so we're dealing with the politics we have handed to us.

It's a helluva thing...

[brooklynite]

1. I'd take that ticket.

[mzmolly]

20. Me too!

[SCantiGOP]

24. Me three

[Nikki28]

60. same here

me four,five 100 will take that ticket in a heartbeat and be happy and excited casting my vote.Even if it is him and Liz,Pete would work for me.

[northoftheborder]

23. I could go for that ticket!

And lots of others might too!

[Demsrule86]

25. That is a good ticket. My only hesitation is the AA vote...have to see if Bloomberg can win it...

I heard some at the meeting tonight saying that if Biden faltered they would go for Bloombert...AA people among this group.

[Awsi Dooger]

46. Many of us have mentioned that ticket in recent weeks

It's the best I can think of right now. A little bit of emerging wisdom of the crowd.

White powerful male atop the ticket you simply have greater opportunity at more voters. Fewer dismiss you automatically. More will give you benefit of a doubt even if they couldn't describe why.

Amy's personality should fare well with some of those nasty suburban women who found asinine excuse to dislike Hillary.

Plus obviously the strength in vital midwestern states, which could easily be decided by roughly the tiny percentage that a VP nominee provides.

Also, I keep reading the crappiola that Bloomberg's money is a tipping point no matter who we nominate. That is sheer ignorance. Bloomberg's money is critical if Bloomberg is the nominee. Otherwise the theme falls into the same nonsensical category as all the claims that Trump will resign or Trump won't be the nominee. They sound good only at first overreactive glance. Then step back a few feet. Wait a minute...this guy is an incumbent with 95+% of his party backing him. Why would he resign? Wait a minute...elections are decided on preference. If the nation doesn't prefer our nominee, why would they give a flip about all those Bloomberg-financed commercials?

They won't. I hope I don't keep seeing that topic.

[relayerbob]

2. Tough as it would be to see MB up there

I could support that ticket also

[Baked Potato]

3. That would be doable...

Yes.

[krissey]

4. I disagree. I think all but one. But, there will be a lot of abuse of power in 2020.

[Laelth]

5. I think that ANY Democrat could beat Trump this year.

That said, I think that Michael Bloomberg might be the one that actually does it.

-Laelth

[VarryOn]

6. I'm glad we have 3 weeks until Super Tuesday...

Cuz I have no idea who I'll be voting for!

[CTyankee]

14. I think the idea of a Bloomberg presidency and why he decided to get into the race bespeaks a

lot of upheaval of how people get involved in this process in the first place.

[VarryOn]

19. I may end up voting for him...

But it does bug me he has gotten where he is by the way he has. If the can beat Trump then the end justifies the means. Sigh.

[Happyhippychick]

7. I love that ticket!

[George II]

8. Bloomberg is showing that when trump hits, he hits back ten times harder!

[CentralMass]

9. Could be. Personally i don't want a guy worth 62 billion calling the shots.

However the nominee will get my vote.

[Blue_true]

10. I have never been a liquor drinker. But this primary is making me look

longingly at liquor stores when I pass them while driving.

[magicarpet]

22. You are not alone...

I used to crave coffee at breakfast. Now I just drink bourbon - skip the coffee.

Not really,.. but I might start doing that next week.

[LoveMyCali]

36. Bourbon

is good in the coffee. This administration has taught me that!

[Captain Zero]

50. I've never been a smoker

but tonight I stepped out on the patio with the dog and wished I had a cigarette.

[sprinkleeninow]

59. Ya know, like playing 'air' guitar? At times I smoke an 'air' mini flavored cigar.

🚭 No fumar por favor. 🤠

I stopped over 10 years ago. They did me in.

[UniteFightBack]

11. It would be a winning ticket with the AA support, midwest lock down and Amy is a woman.

BOOM.

[brokephibroke]

12. I'm in

Trump and Pence would get destroyed on the debate stage. That is if they wouldn’t chicken out...

[democrattotheend]

13. But at what cost?

He's not that different from Trump on some of the issues. We have to draw the line somewhere.

[CTyankee]

16. And that's the dilemma, isn't it?

Rich people have run and won before, just look at JFK. But it's a different kind of rich people...it's ones who want to serve in the first place. Mike was not so inclined, but in a way seems like the kind of person who would run, after he earned the money through his own hard work.

[TwilightZone]

17. On most issues, he's pretty liberal.

He's not on my list of favorites (yet), but I think people take the fact that he was a Republican for a while and just assume he's a conservative. His overall record really says otherwise.

When Trump starts supporting choice, gun laws, raising taxes on the wealthy, expanding the ACA, protecting the environment, and donates $6 billion to charity, then maybe the comparison might have some validity.

https://www.ontheissues.org/mike_bloomberg.htm

[Demsrule86]

27. He is not the same as Trump on any issues that I can think of...

[SunSeeker]

43. On what issues is he the same as Trump?

[Renew Deal]

51. What issues?

[evertonfc]

15. Bloomberg

is gaining support in Nashville. He will torment Trump. The others will gave to beg for money and start 200 million behind.

[sprinkleeninow]

29. I do like the word 'torment' as tendered here. 👍 eom

[wnylib]

18. Bloomberg might not be the one to beat

trump. The R's are drawing attention to his stop and frisk policy as mayor and comments like saying he put police in black neighborhoods because that's where the crimes were. Can he win enough votes to counter his past actions and words as mayor?

I welcome his money and ads to defeat Trump. But how would he, as the nominee, handle his past?

[Demsrule86]

28. Who care if it is between Trump and Bloomberg...you think Trump is better?

Stop and Frisk is known...and Trump is way worse on this issue.

[wnylib]

57. Silly question. Of course not. But it

means that Bloomberg would have that hurdle to becoming the Dem nominee.

[Demsrule86]

70. No he wouldn't. Trump is a racist period. Bloomberg is not.

[wnylib]

72. Bloomberg is not running against Trump in

the DEM primaries where we choose our nominee. Therefore, if Dem primary voters react negatively to Bloomberg's past comments, they might choose not to vote for him to be our nominee.

[DENVERPOPS]

42. I think

that the best thing Bloomberg can do is spending his money running the Republican Senators into the ground non stop for the time between now and the election. It would only cost him five billion of his 60 billion. Not a big sacrifice......

WITHOUT THE REPUBLICAN SENATE, TRUMP IS VAPORIZED IN AN INSTANT...................

What is it with all these Billionaires? Warren Buffet saying he pays less taxes than his housekeeper and that we should tax the rich more, not less. I don't see him just sending in a few billion to the feds every year...... I'm sure they would gladly accept it.......
HOW MANY F***ING BILLIONS CAN A PERSON NEED????????? They earn MORE IN PROFITS from their investments every year than they can possibly spend............

A friend who works for a billionaire challenged that thinking and I got out a calculator, estimated the earnings every year from investing the number of BILLIONS he was worth. I took that yearly profit figure and divided it by 365 to show her how much he earned A DAY, and then broke that down by 24 hours and showed her how much he could spend AN HOUR. And pointed out that his capital was no lesser and that he hadn't invaded his capital at all.....

She was speechless. As she should have been. And gone to work the next day and asked for a raise..........

[Liberty Belle]

56. Without a Republican Senate, Trump could be impeached again AND removed.

[DENVERPOPS]

68. There is NO F***ing Way

That the Republicans will lose this election, by hook or by crook and all the hairs on Putin's chinny chin chin...............

[underpants]

21. I still say Abrams or Harris as VP

We have to get turnout.

[SMC22307]

26. I like Abrams, but doesn't she have...

some baggage in the form of financial issues? Rethuglicans will go for the jugular no matter who is on the ticket, I'm just trying to start with as clean a slate as possible.

[Celerity]

54. The Debt-Shaming of Stacey Abrams

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Our pernicious double standard on politicians who owe money.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/opinion/columnists/stacey-abrams-georgia-governor-debt.html


Stacey Abrams: Don’t Be Ashamed of Your Debt

https://fortune.com/2019/04/11/stacey-abrams-debt/


Stacey Abrams Says Debt ‘Should Not Be A Disqualifier For Ambition’

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stacey-abrams-says-debt-should-not-be-a-disqualifier-for-ambition_n_5caf589be4b09a1eabf8e408


Stacey Abrams on Dealing With Debt and Shame

https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/the-cut-on-tuesdays-stacey-abrams-on-dealing-with-debt.html


after those


Stacey Abrams settles her IRS debt

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/444112-stacey-abrams-settles-her-irs-debt

Former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams (D) has reportedly settled her tax debt with the Internal Revenue Service as she eyes a possible bid for the presidency. A spokesperson for Abrams told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday that Abrams settled the approximately $54,000 she owed the federal agency as well as separate credit card and student loan debt.

"Leader Abrams has been able to resolve her debt,” the spokesperson, Seth Bringman, said, “She will continue to speak openly about the challenges she faced — challenges that are all too common for Americans and their families."

Abrams had reported the debt during her campaign last year against then Georgia gubernatorial candidate, Brian Kemp (R). She revealed her debt to the IRS, in addition to roughly $170,000 in credit card and student loan debt, in financial documents in March. Abrams said she deferred tax payments in 2015 and 2016 to help pay for her family's medical bills, noting she was on a payment plan to resolve what she owed.

As a candidate for Georgia's highest office, Abrams spoke openly about her financial struggles to connect with voters, the paper noted. Republicans, meanwhile, targeted her debt in an attempt to discredit her ability to manage the state's budget.


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edited to add

This is in DEFENCE of Abrams, it is a rebuttal to the poster I replied to, as they raised it as a red flag. I think she is close to the strongest VP our candidate could choose.

[underpants]

61. Being in debt is not unfamiliar to anyone

Go ahead and go with her debt as an issue. That makes her a bigger pull/draw.

[Celerity]

62. I was posting that in rebuttal to the other poster, NOT as a critique of Abrams at all

They were the one who raised it as a red flag, not me.

I have been saying for well over a year that Abrams would be close to the strongest VP for our candidate. She really puts the South into play and will energise A-A turnout. She is a super dynamic speaker, one of the best we have.

[underpants]

63. Oh I understand and I totally agree.

Kamala brings ...look I'll be blunt... she plays really well on TV. But I think California is safe in the GE.

Abrams is the best overall. Sharp dynamic and yes she brings a lot of voters out in the south AND a lot of volunteers. I looked her up once, she's a Delta but even with that if we could martial even a small portion of the AKA/sororities energy... look out.

[SMC22307]

73. Thanks for the links. If she does end up as VP nominee...

it'll help to have as much info as possible to fight off right-wing attacks, cuz you know they're coming.

[texasfiddler]

30. I might have to change from Biden to Bloomberg

I want to see Bloomberg in a debate

[EveHammond13]

31. Fully agree with sentiment and conclusion. Bloomberg/Klobuchar and let's beat trump's ass.

[MontanaMama]

32. If the AA community can get behind it...

I can too. We MUST do this. Oh...and Amy McGrath...she really needs to win KY. Fuck Moscow Mitch.

[Dem2]

33. I was talking to my parents and quipped "I dunno, how about Bloomberg/Klobuchar?"

I laughed, but it has a pragmatic feel to it. And winning is so critical this fall.

[angrychair]

34. Bloomberg is behind the times

He wants to force Marijuana to be illegal in every state again.

This BS drug war nonsense is a non-starter with me.

If that is the nominee I will obviously vote for MB but definitely not my preference.

[Zambero]

35. A ticket that I could support!

Both highly intelligent, articulate, with a wealth of experience, and capable of dealing with the sub-gutter campaign tactics that Trump will conjure up. I'm standing by Joe, but we have a very deep bench and these two could get the job done.

[ashredux]

37. "Little" Mike should not be underestimated

[vlyons]

38. We could do a lot worse

Indeed the vulgarian in the WH IS a lot worse.

[DENVERPOPS]

39. Never

since I first started voting, rarely has there ever been a time when I wasn't stuck voting for what I felt was the lesser of two evils........

WASF

[tiredtoo]

40. Bloomberg would get my vote if,

he became the nominee. But he is just above Tulsi Gabbard on my list.

[Skittles]

41. I would prefer Kamala to Amy

yup

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. Bloomberg Harris

[Skittles]

58. well, it's far from my dream ticket

but......I'll take anything over Trump - seriously, ANYONE

[Laura PourMeADrink]

64. Doubt many of us will end up with our dream team

that we love. Hopefully just dream team who can win?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Why ruefully? I think he'd be great! My second choice

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. OMG...no to Amy VP.

[dlk]

48. Bloomberg's not the best candidate for women, by a mile

You can bet if he’s the nominee, all of the dirt will come out. Trump, with Russian assistance won’t let that opportunity pass. Women made the difference in the midterms and will make the difference in this election, too. Let’s not write off Warren just yet. She’s the only candidate who’s come out against the pervasive corruption that is strangling our government and our economy. Iowa and New Hampshire aren’t exactly representative of our larger population, either. There’s much more to come. Granted, we’re all beyond exhausted from the endless s**t show that’s in the WH but this is the time to dig in and fight harder. There’s too much to lose if we don’t.

[ForEverGlades]

49. Haven't heard?

Am guessing most here haven't heard the audio of Bloomberg condescendingly espousing the wonders of racial profiling?
And yes, in minority communities Bloomie says he wanted police "throwing them up against a wall" to conduct said frisks. It's "them", see?
Completely unnecessary even if you support Stop And Frisk in the first place.
Wow.
Oh and how about this gem: "All the police are deployed in minority communities because that's where all the crime is."
What a load of complete crap.
And from a candidate with a D by their name who will need upwards of 90% of the votes in the black community to win?
Please.

[pattyloutwo]

52. We don't need a savior

It’s messy, but we got this. Stay in the fight. There will be a large turnout; people showed up in the midterms. Women, stay strong!

[jr1118x]

53. He doesn't seem very good on minorities.

Yeah the racial issue is bad, after almost 4 years of complaining about Trump and Republicans being racist are we seriously considering the face of the party someone who is a proponent of racial profiling? Yeah lets elect a racist billionaire, that's never been tried before. What could go wrong.

[scipan]

55. Read this please before you decide to vote for him

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/02/a-republican-plutocrat-tries-to-buy-the-democratic-nomination/

The idea of Michael Bloomberg becoming the Democratic presidential nominee should be too absurd to even consider seriously. For one thing, he is a conservative who openly believes that the poor should be ruled over by the super-rich and is trying to buy the nomination outright. He has a history of saying monstrously offensive things about women and transgender people, and oversaw an infamous racist police regime that terrorized Black and Hispanic New Yorkers. If he did somehow manage to spend his way to the nomination, bypassing the democratic process, it would be such an outrage—and so demoralizing to the Democratic base—that it would guarantee Trump’s reelection. If the choice were between two sexist billionaires who hate the poor, how many young people would drag themselves to the polls to support “our side’s” billionaire? It would permanently disillusion an entire generation and vindicate every cynical theory of politics as a domain where money rules absolutely

[ForEverGlades]

71. Exactamundo!

Nominating Bloomie would absolutely destroy the party--except as a funnel for corporate/wall street cash.
Getting the vote out in minority communities?
Who wants to get out and vote for someone who has declared your family members public enemies who need to be harassed and "thrown up against the wall" to be unconstitutionally searched just for being themselves?
Forget it.

[secondwind]

65. Fortunately, all our candidates would be a good President.

[cwydro]

66. What's drinking got to do with it?

The first sentence of your second paragraph I find puzzling.

[Politicub]

67. Could easily get behind that ticket

It’s too bad Bloomberg isn’t on the ballots in SC and NV. I want to see how well he performs in a real voting situation.

[Act_of_Reparation]

69. I dunno, man.

I don't think the country's ready for two New Yorkers in a poorly moderated debate setting.