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Bumperstickers

(199 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:50 AM Feb 2020

Will Biden and Warren drop out after South Carolina and drive Bernie over 50%?

Very interesting because every single poll has both Biden and Warren voters listing Sanders as their second choice. If that becomes the case and you add in Yang and Gabbard voters who both list Sanders as their second choice would mean Sanders over 50 % of the vote on Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Will Biden and Warren drop out after South Carolina and drive Bernie over 50%? (Original Post) Bumperstickers Feb 2020 OP
No, Biden isn't going to drop out. wisteria Feb 2020 #1
Before going with Sanders Zambero Feb 2020 #8
He could drop out after SC (the OP's premise) if he underperforms there thesquanderer Feb 2020 #30
I agree duforsure Feb 2020 #31
I still can't get on the Bernie bandwagon katmondoo Feb 2020 #2
IA and NH, combined, have historically had a huge impact. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #13
I can't either PatSeg Feb 2020 #25
No. Warren planned past Iowa and NH and is organized in 31 states. blm Feb 2020 #3
No relayerbob Feb 2020 #4
I think Warren will wait until marlakay Feb 2020 #5
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #6
No. Only in Bernie's dreams. Biden and Warren's favored states are coming up. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #7
Everyone will wait until Super Tuesday. nt Skid Rogue Feb 2020 #9
No. I don't think so. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #10
The second choice of Biden voters squirecam Feb 2020 #11
LOL W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #12
I personally think AmericanGraffiti Feb 2020 #14
Why should Sanders keep getting the credit for her years of hard work? blm Feb 2020 #27
You KNOW why. BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #32
+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #38
Every single poll... OnlinePoker Feb 2020 #15
I Doubt Bernie EVER Gets Over 35% Stallion Feb 2020 #16
If the race gets down to 2 people and Bernie is one of them.... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #42
My God it never stops. padah513 Feb 2020 #17
No one seems to be talking much about how he's underperforming sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #29
Any scenario where Bernie runs away with it is absolutely unacceptable here Tiggeroshii Feb 2020 #18
I wouldn't count on anything House of Roberts Feb 2020 #19
All these prognostications are based on NoMoreRepugs Feb 2020 #20
Your % was a little low. It's 90+% white. padah513 Feb 2020 #23
Eggsactly. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2020 #40
Donald Trump is a racist pig ! stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #21
Hell no. oasis Feb 2020 #22
Er DarthDem Feb 2020 #24
Please link to those polls. Your assertion is not consistent with what has been reported spooky3 Feb 2020 #26
Anything is possible, but some things improbable. Your scenario is such a case. Neither Warren nor emmaverybo Feb 2020 #28
While I believe Bernie can win many more states, I don't madville Feb 2020 #33
No. BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #34
If Biden drops out, his support will go to Bloomberg. brooklynite Feb 2020 #35
I tend to agree with this obamanut2012 Feb 2020 #37
Biden and Warren are not dropping out obamanut2012 Feb 2020 #36
This Warren supporter doesn't have Sanders as my second choice. yardwork Feb 2020 #39
+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2020 #41
 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
1. No, Biden isn't going to drop out.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:52 AM
Feb 2020

These two losses were factored in to Biden’s strategy.

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Zambero

(8,962 posts)
8. Before going with Sanders
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:57 AM
Feb 2020

And if Joe was to leave the race (unlikely), I would favor Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, or Warren. We have a deep bench comprised of real Democrats.

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thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
30. He could drop out after SC (the OP's premise) if he underperforms there
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:24 AM
Feb 2020

even if only for running out of money..

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duforsure

(11,884 posts)
31. I agree
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:29 AM
Feb 2020

He'll stumble into SC and again find his support is leaving him now, and his donors too.

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katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
2. I still can't get on the Bernie bandwagon
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:53 AM
Feb 2020

New Hampshire was never much of a determining factor in the past.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. IA and NH, combined, have historically had a huge impact.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:01 AM
Feb 2020

In the last 40 years, only 1 candidate from either party has won the nomination without winning at least 1 of those 2 states. And that 1 exception to the rule was propelled forward precisely because of his strong 2nd place finish in New Hampshire (in a year in which Iowa was nullified by there being an Iowan in the race).

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Undecided
 

PatSeg

(47,275 posts)
25. I can't either
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:38 AM
Feb 2020

I still don't think he will be good in a general election against Trump and that scares the hell out of me.

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blm

(113,011 posts)
3. No. Warren planned past Iowa and NH and is organized in 31 states.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

She is now n 3rd place in delegate count.

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relayerbob

(6,537 posts)
4. No
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

They are in it through Super Tuesday, at the very least. And don't count on all of Warren's supporters going to Sanders. Or Biden, especially if Bloomberg shows up.

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marlakay

(11,426 posts)
5. I think Warren will wait until
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

After Super Tuesday. Then make a decision.

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Undecided
 

Vivienne235729

(3,377 posts)
7. No. Only in Bernie's dreams. Biden and Warren's favored states are coming up.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:56 AM
Feb 2020

The race has only begun. It should get a whole lot more interesting. Buckle up.

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Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
9. Everyone will wait until Super Tuesday. nt
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:58 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. No. I don't think so. n/t
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:59 AM
Feb 2020

-Laelth

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
11. The second choice of Biden voters
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:59 AM
Feb 2020

Was clearly NOT Sanders in New Hampshire. They went mostly to Amy and Pete. Undecided voters also broke heavily for Amy and Pete instead of Sanders.

Sanders has a strong base. But also he has a ceiling of 40% or so.

The moderates are going to swap votes between them. Bernie needs all of them to stay in. Once it’s 1v1, he’s going to lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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AmericanGraffiti

(90 posts)
14. I personally think
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:01 AM
Feb 2020

it is time for Warren to drop out and endorse Sanders. Whether she will or not is another question.

Biden won't drop out till after South Carolina.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

blm

(113,011 posts)
27. Why should Sanders keep getting the credit for her years of hard work?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:43 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. +1000.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:13 AM
Feb 2020

But this attitude is no surprise whatsoever...

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OnlinePoker

(5,717 posts)
15. Every single poll...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:02 AM
Feb 2020

Look how out of whack the polls were for NH. The RCP average had Bernie winning by over 7% and Amy (in the last two polls yesterday) getting only 14%. Pollsters, in an era where people don't have landlines, are having a heck of a time getting accurate information and it shows in the quality of what gets put out.

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Undecided
 

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
16. I Doubt Bernie EVER Gets Over 35%
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:05 AM
Feb 2020

New Hampshire and Iowa are not representative of the Democratic electorate because most of us are actually Democrats. Sanders is literally the last candidate I'd voted for not named Trump or Gabbard

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thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
42. If the race gets down to 2 people and Bernie is one of them....
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

...I could see potential for some 50% states.

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padah513

(2,496 posts)
17. My God it never stops.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:07 AM
Feb 2020

Two states down. Sanders lost one and barely won the second, both he was heavily favored to win.

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sweetloukillbot

(10,972 posts)
29. No one seems to be talking much about how he's underperforming
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:49 AM
Feb 2020

Not even talking the 60% to 25%, he was polling around 30% wasn't he?
Winning by barely 1% in New Hampshire should give people pause about his overall viability.
We'll see in Nevada.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
18. Any scenario where Bernie runs away with it is absolutely unacceptable here
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:07 AM
Feb 2020

Especially if it happens.

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House of Roberts

(5,162 posts)
19. I wouldn't count on anything
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:09 AM
Feb 2020

with Bloomberg carpet-bombing ads all over the place.

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Undecided
 

NoMoreRepugs

(9,371 posts)
20. All these prognostications are based on
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:11 AM
Feb 2020

results from less than 2% of the country voting, 80+% white and somehow that’s definitive of what the entire Democratic Party wants???

Seriously??

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padah513

(2,496 posts)
23. Your % was a little low. It's 90+% white.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:19 AM
Feb 2020

Iowa is 90.28% and New Hampshire 93.03%. It's all about the demographics and they're about to swing dramatically.

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stonecutter357

(12,694 posts)
21. Donald Trump is a racist pig !
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:16 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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spooky3

(34,407 posts)
26. Please link to those polls. Your assertion is not consistent with what has been reported
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:40 AM
Feb 2020

on MSNBC, e.g., the 2nd choices in the Iowa caucuses, and it isn't consistent with common sense.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
28. Anything is possible, but some things improbable. Your scenario is such a case. Neither Warren nor
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:49 AM
Feb 2020

Biden are handing the primary to Bernie. He will have to win it with them in it.

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madville

(7,404 posts)
33. While I believe Bernie can win many more states, I don't
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:21 AM
Feb 2020

Think his ceiling is higher than 35%. I do believe that Bloomberg entering on Super Tuesday will help Bernie by further splitting the moderate vote, which is probably around 60% of the Democratic Party but when you split it 3 or 4 ways that really helps Sanders.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
34. No.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:27 AM
Feb 2020

A thousand times, no.

All these extremely premature predictions happen every election cycle.

Sanders, Buttigieg and Klobuchar will now be getting more scrutiny, as a result of NH. Watch where the media sheep head.

Scrutiny is a good thing. GOPers certainly know where each one will be vulnerable in a GE. That may be exactly why that person could receive favorable coverage now. It's counter-intuitive in some ways, but generally predictable, as per the past several election cycles. Watch and see.

You can also bet that where any one of our candidates isn't clearly vulnerable, GOPers will manufacture something to make them sound vulnerable.

They've practically run through the list with Warren already. She's still standing tall overall, despite NH, and she's not yet cash-strapped.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,358 posts)
35. If Biden drops out, his support will go to Bloomberg.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:34 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
37. I tend to agree with this
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:07 AM
Feb 2020

The majority will, with some supporters going to Warren, Klobuchar, and Pete.

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obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
36. Biden and Warren are not dropping out
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:06 AM
Feb 2020

My second choice would be Harris if she was still in, but since she isn't, it's Klobuchar. Then Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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yardwork

(61,539 posts)
39. This Warren supporter doesn't have Sanders as my second choice.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:14 AM
Feb 2020

Any hope that I might switch to Sanders in the primary disappeared the day Sanders supporters flooded the internet with green snakes.

I think that a lot of Warren's supporters probably feel the same way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
41. +1
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:01 AM
Feb 2020

Warren was my choice until very recently -- but tbh, it could be easily be either Amy or Warren. I actually voted for Warren in my mail-in ballot here in FL.

After Klobuchar and Warren, it would be Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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