Warren its time to say goodbye

[LeftTurn3623]

I love you & your policies but staying in the race at this point is not for the American people it is for yourself.

A 3rd place finish in Iowa then losing more ground and finishing 4th with 9% in NH, a neighboring state to your home state.


Currently polling at 3rd or 4th in Nevada & 4th in South Carolina. There is no state on the map that the campaign can point to and say they will win. There is no road to victory at this point.

This only hurts you politically. You will be taking up space on the debate stage for candidates that still have a chance to win.

I would be making the same case for Joe but he is currently ahead in South Carolina & Nevada. He is also in top 2 in national polling. There is a path to winning the nomination. I would actually say a strong one. If he wins Nevada and South Carolina you will hear all the "comeback kid" talk and he will have lots of momentum.

But nobody can look at what has happen and look at the numbers for future states and make a case that Warren has any shot.

[pwb]

1. I will let her decide her future.

Thank you.

[samnsara]

2. she would make a good veep...

[FakeNoose]

33. I agree, except we need her voice in the Senate

Liz Warren should be treasured and appreciated for what she is - a female leader who's not afraid to speak up and speak out. She gets it, she's walking the walk. I love Liz but I don't see her as our Party's nominee this year. I hate the way Hillary was treated by the Repukes 4 years ago, and I don't want to see the same bad behavior against Liz this year.

I believe Liz will bow out in another month (maybe) but I don't want her to give up the fight against the Repukes. There's too much at stake this year.

[She_Totally_Gets_It]

71. I agree. It was hard getting her elected there. We need her voice in the Senate. We need every

Democratic senator possible. Even if she were taken out as a VP candidate and replaced with a female senator, it's not the same. We need HER voice in the Senate. The Orange Asshole is getting ready to go after entitlements and the student loan forgiveness program. We need her in the Senate to help stop him.

[DumpTrump20202020]

85. Maybe, or she could remain a Senator?

Would she accept it, though? I hope she would.

As John Nance Gardner once said, "Vice-President is not worth a bucket of warm piss"

[we can do it]

3. How manly of you🙄

[BeyondGeography]

4. Sorry, not happening

Link to tweet

[Docreed2003]

9. +1

Deserves its own thread. There's way too much premature grave dancing for my tastes this morning.

[2naSalit]

20. +1

[LakeArenal]

79. Always. It's crazy. No one drops out cuz some anonymous blogster thinks you should.

Stay on as long as you can Liz.

You are the last woman running.

[redwitch]

84. Amy?

Still running.

[ancianita]

80. +1

[LeftTurn3623]

10. this is my point

"We’re staying in this fight for the people who are counting on us"

This isn't about people counting on her - its about being honest of the situation.


I like Warren and to me its sad. Its sad seeing lots of these candidates drop out because I like so many. I liked Harris a lot. Booker. Yeah it stinks but its how it works.

Sticking around is not the honorable thing to do and it hurts the party. We need to start coming together on one candidate and having people hang on that have no shot just muddies the water.

My son was upset Yang dropped out. That was his guy.

I will call for Pete to drop out if he does not preform well in SC & Nevada and Super Tuesday looks bleak. Same with Amy. The field needs to narrow.

[BeyondGeography]

14. Honorable? Have you donated to her?

I have, and I would be pissed as hell if she bailed after two states that don’t look like America or our party. She has a great message for POC, particularly women of color. She can and will be heard. Now kindly move on.

[Amimnoch]

37. Yes! This!

Beautifully stated, and 100% agree.

[Baitball Blogger]

59. +1000

[Act_of_Reparation]

16. "Hurts the party"?

Citation needed.

[Baitball Blogger]

60. Jesus. Really.

[delisen]

32. That could leave many without a likely candidate since Sanders refused to release medical records

Unfortunately one must be pragmatic. We have no way of knowing Sanders health status and he had a very recent heart attack.

He and Warren have some overlap in education and health care delivery. Should Sanders have to drop out due to health, the people wanting those initiatives would be without a standard bearer weeks in advance of Super Tuesday.

I. think t would be irresponsible for Warren to leave now for other than financial reasons

[unitedwethrive]

67. This is such an important and overlooked fact.

Statistics show that the mean life expectancy after a heart attack for a man over 75 years old, is 3.1 years. This is very important data to consider when choosing a candidate.

[blm]

49. I'd rather have an anticorruption warrior out there speaking up for us

than mr turn the page and let the corrupt off the hook again.

[Baitball Blogger]

61. +1

Easy to give a pass to recent history, when you haven't actually lived it.

[Bettie]

93. +1000

Seriously, why would anyone let him off the hook? I know who, but "moving on" isn't going to keep it from happening again and again.

[lunasun]

65. Thanks for the clip. OK there is her own answer to the OP

[sheshe2]

95. +1000

[DanieRains]

5. Its Too Bad Too

I like her and her message.

[sunflowerseed]

6. Why do you get to decide?

[LeftTurn3623]

13. I think the voters have decided - has nothing to do with me

[bloom]

15. 2 Small states is not the country

Now Biden - he, should be ready to quit.

[IluvPitties]

39. What about neither one?

[Garrett78]

78. Biden is better positioned than Warren right now, and that's not saying much.

Biden at least still has his must-win state ahead of him.

[we can do it]

94. 1.6% of delegates make the call???

Lilly white states, one with a wacko system.

[mysteryowl]

7. She will sit down with her team and plan what is next.

[Mars and Minerva]

8. I just don't understand what happened to her campaign...

I have watched it happen but I still don't get it.

[obamanut2012]

21. She has a vagina

That is what happened.

And tells it like it is.

Like Hillary.

Many people don't like either of those things in pols, because many people, including liberals, are pretty sexist.

[Bettie]

26. And women either get ignored

or torn down by the media.

But, hey, we'll be back to a field of all white men if Amy and Elizabeth drop out, which is what the media prefers.

[LeftTurn3623]

52. being a women has nothing to do with it

She is in the same lane as Bernie and Bernie just had a loyal base.

[Mars and Minerva]

89. I think you're the closest to the truth. Bernie's team has really been openly on the attack...

and it's working. I wonder if it will keep working.

[customerserviceguy]

69. It doesn't seem

that having female plumbing hurt Amy in NH.

Here's the difference between Klobuchar and Warren, Amy comes off as genuine. Her last debate performance was stunning, she went beyond the rehearsed one-liners that were nervously delivered to exuding real empathy, especially with her closing statement.

Warren got taken down by her response to the guy she dismissed over having saved to pay for his child's college education, it was not empathetic.

[Peacetrain]

11. Absolutely not!!!!!!

No one has blown this out of the water.. no one.. hang in there E. Warren.. do not move a finger till after Super Tuesday.

[Liberal In Texas]

12. I hate this primary system.

2 small states and she's out?

I hope she waits until after Super Tuesday to decide.

[justhanginon]

24. Not only are they small states, they are very unrepresentative

of the Democratic party constituency. And Iowa was a clown show as most caucuses are.

[obamanut2012]

27. Yup, small and very, very white

[renate]

92. it's so stupid

I don't understand why New Hampshire gets to put it in state law that they get to be first. It's like they declared themselves Boss of Everyone and everyone just goes "oh, okay." Just because they want to go first doesn't mean all the other states and territories should have to just go along with that BS.

They're a small, white state. Completely unrepresentative of the country. Yet after a year of campaigning and investment, political fortunes rise and fall overnight there and in Iowa. Really?

With the eyes of the world on us, and with all this sturm und drang about the Democratic results in two completely unrepresentative and not even necessarily blue states, America's election system just keeps looking stupider and stupider.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

17. You may not understand how this system works. Hang around, you'll get it yet.

[Celerity]

18. I support Pete, but I am not in favour of telling Senator Warren to drop out after only 2 states

I think Senator Harris left too early, and if she had stayed in maybe she would be sitting where Senator Klobuchar is now.

After Super Tuesday we will all have time to play the drop-out game. Hell, maybe it will be Pete's turn.

[obamanut2012]

19. So, should Biden drop out, too?

Yeah, didn't think so. Only the woman should.

[LexVegas]

22. Bullshit. nt

[denem]

23. Time for Warren to take out Biden on his Bankruptcy Act

which threw millions of Americans out of their homes during the Great Recession.

[LaurenOlimina]

30. Yes... That should really be an issue.

It has always been a strong one for Warren.

[denem]

31. And she held her fire.

After Biden's spiteful attack on Pete this weekend, poison pill ads are on the table IMO.

[Mars and Minerva]

90. Then the Biden voters will go to Klobuchar and Buttigieg.

Her peeps went back to Bernie.

[denem]

91. Does not bother me.

Biden is pandering / enabling Sanders. That's what I care about.

[LAS14]

25. You've inspired me to donate again to her campaign. Given the unexpected swings...

... and the really unpredictable nature of Buttigieg in SC, I think it would be really early for her to drop out. As she pointed out, she's the only one who draws from both the moderate and progressive side of the party. Let's watch SC and Nevada. Maybe it will be Warren and Bloomberg and Klobuchar and Warren will be the uniter.

[cwydro]

28. Um, no.

[LaurenOlimina]

29. I just switched to Pete last night.

I am a big believer in Warren, but her missteps and the lack of a progressive wave have closed the door for her.

Sanders is not realistic to me. Biden has failed to show he can build a competitive machine in two presidential runs so far.

So I'm happy with Pete or Amy now.

[Amimnoch]

34. I'll trust her to make that decision herself. -nt

[FM123]

35. No thank you

Yes, she is only in third place of winning total delegates overall from IA and NH - BUT 98% of the delegates that play in this have not yet been awarded, those states haven't even voted yet so it is too soon to say goodbye.

[dalton99a]

36. Drop Out Right Fucking Now

or by lunch today, so everyone can enjoy their meal



Fuck that shit.

[NoMoreRepugs]

38. So the game is over after one pitch in the top of the first??

Sometimes the whiny little nerd mentality around here saddens me.

[Mike Nelson]

40. All valid points, but...

... I hope Elizabeth stays in and considers a revision. The worst was not doing better in a state very near her base - a neighboring state. I thought she "won" the battle over the "woman can't be president" comment and I was wrong... he went up and she went down. At first, i couldn't understand it, but I think it may be because she dropped the issue too easily... I thought that was good at the time, but maybe she should have been stronger about that issue... my first favorite was Kamala with Elizabeth not far behind. I hope she considers a new approach and gets another look. She has been counted out before... I'd like to see her consider what has happened and how she might revise and continue.

[jcgoldie]

41. Passive aggressive bullshit

Try again.

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. Democratic voters have decided 2% of the delegate total.

After the Nevada and South Carolina primaries, only 4.6% of the delegates will be determined.

How about letting a few more voters have a chance to weigh in with their opinion before we go there, shall we?

[JCMach1]

43. and no one even has 30% of the ones distributed...

So yeah, a bit pre-mature.

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. This is one of the things I loathe about our party candidate selection process.

Disproportionate attention to a statistically absurdly low sample of voters who aren't demographically representative of the country as a whole, and their choices dictate who is left when voters in my state get to have a say.

I honestly cannot remember a primary when my first choice candidate made it to my state's primary day. Ever. I've lived in five states since turning 18, and I'm 51. Have never been able to cast a vote for my preferred Democratic candidate. That's sick.

[JCMach1]

47. Proportional distribution is something that was pushed for years...

And yes it does help candidates in certain situations.

It really doesn't do much for a quick decision on the nominee though...

But, for the record, I have moved myself to undecided as I don't feel that Warren will be a factor in the Texas primary...

[LanternWaste]

45. Absurd to pretend that the first two steps in a marathon indicate the eventual victor.

But I'm certain you'll continue the pretense of prophecy. Gotta love faith-based politics...

[nsd]

46. I'm not even a Warren supporter, but this take is completely ridiculous.

IA and NH don't represent the whole of America (in more ways than one). Warren is a serious candidate, with extensive experience, thorough policy positions, and a national organization. Without putting too fine a point on it, let me just note that the same cannot be said of all the candidates who did well in IA and NH.

I don't know how to fix the primary system, but letting IA and NH pick their flavor of the month and forcing the rest of the country to narrow their choices accordingly is ridiculous.

[blm]

48. What an absurd post. She planned ahead and organized in 31 states

She planned PAST Iowa and N.H.

She is also the best warrior against corruption in the race. Why silence that?

[LeftTurn3623]

55. explain where she is going to win a state

explain where the path to the nomination is?

Its real absurd? Lets just muddy the field so there is no clear winner - that will do the party a lot of justice

[Baitball Blogger]

50. What a horrible, horrible post from a Pete B. supporter.

IF you want us to stay together after the primaries, THIS is not the way to do it. Staying in the race is the whole point of a primary. The winner gets decided on the last day. Why risk offending Elizabeth Warren supporters?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Stop. It's two unrepresentative states with a small number of delegates.

Unless a candidate has completely run out of money there's no reason why they shouldn't stay in through Super Tuesday.

[Srkdqltr]

53. She would be a fool to get out now.

She is no fool.

[pattyloutwo]

54. She has a great platform

End corruption in Washington. Stay in, Elizabeth!

[Baclava]

56. She's not listening,"98% of the people haven't been heard from, this is going to be a long primary"

[onetexan]

57. No it isn't. Warren has a chance as all the other candidates still in the race to see it thru to the

primary. I'd rather Elizabeth than Bernie.

[philf99]

58. Nevada

My speculation is she needs to finish ahead of Bernie in Nevada.

[squirecam]

96. She has to get Bernie voters then.

She needs to go after Sanders at the debate.

Or she will never finish ahead of him in NV.

[rurallib]

62. not hardly. She has helped turn the issue discussion.

Warren needs to stay.

But thanks for your concern.

[MadLinguist]

63. Bye Felecia

Normally I don't enter into the fray RE primaries, but this is stanque-stirring at its worst. Why don't you look at numbers in history? Or better yet, just canvas for your candidate instead of trashing other ones? There's work to do, 3623! Be for real

[nini]

64. JFC 2 low delegate contests in non-diverse states shouldn't determine the candidate that fast

IF we start doing crowning a nominee this fast we are doomed.

[LeftTurn3623]

66. I keep asking this

explain what state in the future she will win and explain her path to the nomination?

She got 9% in her neighboring state. She isnt higher than 3rd in polling in any of the the states through super Tuesday

None of this means she isn't awesome and her ideas are not great.

[customerserviceguy]

68. She has an operation in place in Nevada

I wouldn't expect her to drop out before then. She's run some ads in SC, but I would expect her to cut back on them, a week's worth of TV viewing might confirm that for me. Her chances of picking up delegates on Super Tuesday are better than her chances in SC, presuming she survives Nevada.

[oasis]

70. Fighters don't quit. E.W. believes in her candidacy. Fight on Elizabeth.

[Garrett78]

72. NH was a must-win for her, especially after a poor showing in Iowa.

Biden is in serious trouble, but he at least still has his must-win state ahead of him.

Honestly, it's hard to see where Buttigieg and Klobuchar are likely to win. Neither has much support among POC and they, as underdogs, put all their resources in the early states.

[LeftTurn3623]

73. finally someone else agrees

[Garrett78]

75. Outside the DU bubble, you'll find lots of agreement.

This place is pretty nutty to be honest. Entertaining, though.

[StevieM]

74. To be fair, her showing in Iowa wasn't a bad one.

She took 3rd place, which is respectable. But she needed to follow that up by at least taking 2nd in New Hampshire. Instead she came in a distant 4th place. And that pretty much finished off her campaign.

I think she will take a shot at pulling off an upset in Nevada and then leave the race if she doesn't.

[Garrett78]

77. Given where she had been polling, I'd say IA was a disappointment. Anyway, we're on the same page.

[BlueMTexpat]

76. Hmm ... all these

"newbies" with posts that diss Warren really make me wonder.

You can support your candidate without dissing mine. You diss mine at your own candidate's peril.

[LonePirate]

81. Your logic for pushing out Warren also applies to Klobuchar and even Buttigieg.

Neither of them have any chance of winning or coming in second in NV or SC and then Bloomberg arrives on Super Tuesday to push them even further down the ladder.

[LeftTurn3623]

86. I agree with you except

Pete has won a state and almost upset Bernie in NH coming in a close 2nd. So he should move on to the next round. But if he fails to keep doing good after SC and polling on Super Tuesday looks bleak I 100% agree with you. He should step down

I sort of think Amy should now but she is carrying momentum with the media so she should probably play out the next 2 states. I never knew a distance 3rd place finish you get treated like you won.

[LonePirate]

87. Distant 3rd place finishers are treated like winners by the media if they are centrists.

Different standards for different candidates.

[Scotch-Irish]

82. Nice try. Not a chance.

She is wildly popular among millions and millions of Americans who have followed her for many years. She lost two races in small states where white people predominate.

She has a lot of latino and black supporters, as well as white women, and the college educated, as well as poor people everywhere who know smart women can change the world.

[samir.g]

83. Two small white-as-hell states get to decide?

Fuck that.

[Sylvarose]

88. BS

After two states you want her to drop out? You know this is a CLASSIC example of why states like my, IN, get SCREWED by this primary system. Sometimes by the time we get to vote, the candidate we really like has already dropped out because of the "Iowa," "New Hampshire," and "Super Tuesday" turnouts! There should be a national primary day, winner takes all.

For the record, while the rest of my family and many of my friends may have Mayor Pete as their first choice, he isn't mine and I would really like the opportunity to vote mine.

Finally, my disclaimer, I will do in this election as I did in 2016 for this election, when I did vote for Bernie in the primary and backed Hillary to the end once she was the nominee. While I will not vote for in the 2020 primary for Bernie, if he gets the nomination I will enthusiastically support and vote for them.

I urge everyone to do this same. Vote for who you love in the primary (or who you dislike least..don't care) but for all that's dear vote Democratic straight ticket in the election. Do not sit home and do not vote 3rd party.

SR