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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Uncle Joe

(58,354 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Feb 2020

Hey Democrats, it's okay to vote for Bernie Sanders



(snip)

It can be hard to see this if you watch too much of the hysterically anti-Sanders coverage on supposedly-liberal MSNBC — Chris Matthews recently spoke of his fear that Sanders is a secret communist who might execute him in Central Park — but the fact is most rank-and-file Democrats like Sanders just fine. Indeed, the Morning Consult poll found that his favorability rating among that group is 74 percent — the highest of any of the candidates, even better than Biden.

This isn't hard to understand. While Sanders isn't technically a Democrat, he has been a loyal soldier for all the causes the party supports (rhetorically at least) — universal healthcare, higher wages, more and better jobs, racial justice, LGBTQ rights, criminal justice reform, and so on — for decades. Neither is he some loopy extremist. While he has always held uncompromising egalitarian views, he is a savvy legislative tactician who has negotiated dozens of compromises through Congress over the years, from community health center funding in ObamaCare to a bipartisan bill to end support for the Saudi war in Yemen. Sanders has been widely covered by the media since 2016, and most Democrats plainly like what he is saying.

The difference is that Sanders insists the Democratic compromises of the 1980s and 1990s are no longer necessary, if they ever were. In his view, the party does not have to bow to either the corporate class or to white reaction (as Bill Clinton did) to win. Instead, following the trail blazed by Jesse Jackson in the '80s, he proposes to assemble a multiracial coalition of working- and middle-class voters, united mainly on economic grounds, to defeat the oligarchs that have a hammerlock on the Republican Party and still cling to influence at the top of the Democratic establishment.

(snip)

America is in a terrible fix, and there is no easy way out. As Alex Pareene writes in The New Republic, the Democratic electorate must "be given license to support what it supports." A Sanders nomination would bring along his increasingly good margins among non-white voters and his zealous base of small donors and activists. And in a crisis, gritty determination and commitment are surely more useful than timid hesitation. Who knows what dirty tricks the Trump campaign might try, or how inscrutable swing voters might react? Best to just go with a clearly good candidate and gear up for an all-out general election effort.

https://theweek.com/articles/895378/hey-democrats-okay-vote-bernie-sanders

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Hey Democrats, it's okay to vote for Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Uncle Joe Feb 2020 OP
Nope wisteria Feb 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author DDySiegs Feb 2020 #3
agreed TrunKated Feb 2020 #26
Has anyone said it wasn't? It's also okay to vote for Buttigieg, Biden, Warren, Klobuchar..... George II Feb 2020 #2
Are You Offering Free Barf Bags? DDySiegs Feb 2020 #4
If he's just a "normal Democrat", then why are his supporters so scary? unitedwethrive Feb 2020 #5
He's a "normal Democrat"? All he does is bash the Democratic Party, and he only BECOMES She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #10
Exactly why he is my last choice in the Democratic primary Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2020 #14
"All he does is bash the Democratic Party" ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #16
Listen, on these things you listed, we agree. Has money corrupted politics? Sure. But, please stop She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #17
"Bernie Sanders IS the Donald Trump of the Political Left" ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #23
Jesus Christ. Really? Trump IS NOT a populist. I had to stop there because that statement made my She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #24
All the kids I know that age that support Bernie are very smart, involved, well-mannered Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #22
I dont know where I come down on this LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #7
this is true nt Celerity Feb 2020 #31
When you are the front runner, you get vetted. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #8
Bernie and his supporters will start crying and lying when they lose, so get ready. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #15
Crying and lying? ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #30
There is no "license" whatsoever needed to support Bernie, or any other Dem candidate, ehrnst Feb 2020 #9
The Sanders supporters were absolutely horrid in 2016. I expect that they'll get worse... She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #11
I believe the groundwork is already being laid. ehrnst Feb 2020 #12
Absolutely not Let's get past the Lily White states and give more diverse states a chance to vote. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #13
Nope we can do it Feb 2020 #18
Re: "Sanders isn't technically a Democrat" Horizens Feb 2020 #19
"He's not a Democrat. Period." -- Yes. This. Thank you. Amen! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #21
I don't have a problem voting for whoever wins the democratic nomination. blueinredohio Feb 2020 #20
Here's an article every Democrat should take to heart: Garrett78 Feb 2020 #25
Thanks for the addition Garrett, a most thought provoking read. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #29
He's popular among Democrats Bradical79 Feb 2020 #27
+/- 75% of voters so far want nothing to do with sanders lol nt msongs Feb 2020 #28

Response to wisteria (Reply #1)

 

George II

(67,782 posts)
2. Has anyone said it wasn't? It's also okay to vote for Buttigieg, Biden, Warren, Klobuchar.....
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:56 PM
Feb 2020

....Bloomberg, or anyone else remaining in the primaries.

If the last 9 days are any indication, a lot more people feel it's "okay" to vote for one of those.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DDySiegs

(253 posts)
4. Are You Offering Free Barf Bags?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:59 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
5. If he's just a "normal Democrat", then why are his supporters so scary?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:00 PM
Feb 2020

I am the mother of four kids ages 17 to 25, and everyone they know who supports Bernie is just downright mean about it. They don’t seem to tolerate any other opinions, and it really feels like they are part of a cult. That alone makes me not want to vote for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
10. He's a "normal Democrat"? All he does is bash the Democratic Party, and he only BECOMES
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:07 PM
Feb 2020

a Democrat when it's time for him to run for president. Other than that, he is an Independent.

I wish he would make up his mind. He's a Democrat when it serves his purposes, but criticizes the party when he's criticized or losing.

The media wants a Bernie Sanders nominee because they know that Trump and the Republicans will win at least 30 states.

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Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
14. Exactly why he is my last choice in the Democratic primary
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:16 PM
Feb 2020

Of course I'd vote for him if he becomes the Democratic candidate. I just don't think it's good for the Democratic party to have someone who can't even commit to calling themselves a Democrat be the head of the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
16. "All he does is bash the Democratic Party"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:23 PM
Feb 2020

lol.

is it possible he criticizes the things he doesn't like about the Democratic Party, and also criticizes lots of other things he doesn't like, like the GOP, the wealthy elite, and the way we have set up a system of ever-widening economic inequality?

Are _you_ a billionaire? If not, you might benefit quite a lot from his policies

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 
17. Listen, on these things you listed, we agree. Has money corrupted politics? Sure. But, please stop
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:28 PM
Feb 2020

being disingenuous. You know darn well what I'm referring to.

Bernie Sanders IS the Donald Trump of the Political Left. He is petty, divisive and incorrigible. He doesn't want to work with anyone unless he/she is ideologically pure. If there is criticism, or he doesn't like the brand of moderate policies put forward, he calls people names and accuses them of being wedded to Wall Street. Turns out, he's the millionaire who, like Donald J. Trump, refused to release his tax returns.

Any time Bernie Sanders is challenged, he starts lying about the system being rigged. The guy is disgusting.

You as a Warren supporter are smarter than this. You're not supporting Bernie. Don't behave like his crazy, fanatical supporters. You're better than that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
23. "Bernie Sanders IS the Donald Trump of the Political Left"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:06 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders is like Trump in that he is a populist, which means he isn't happy about the status quo. Trump of course was a faux populist - he talked a good game about change, but made things even more like they were to begin with.

This is a change election, where the voters are not happy with the status quo, unfortunately for the wealthy and fat elite.

People want a return for their tax dollars, not just to build a war machine or make plutocrats even richer. And so does Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 
24. Jesus Christ. Really? Trump IS NOT a populist. I had to stop there because that statement made my
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:15 PM
Feb 2020

brain hurt. Seriously.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
22. All the kids I know that age that support Bernie are very smart, involved, well-mannered
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

kids, and they would support another candidate that got the nomination against tRump. All this hearsay AGAINST Bernie supporters has gotten him a bigger following, because everyone else doesn't see what you are describing. We all just see it as a smear that doesn't appear to jibe with what we witness.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts)
6. I dont know where I come down on this
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:01 PM
Feb 2020

I like Bernie and agree more with his polices but I'm also scared he could lose a general election

very difficult for me. Im glad for the first time PA is a later state so I can figure this out better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
8. When you are the front runner, you get vetted.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:04 PM
Feb 2020

It has happened to Biden, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Mayor Pete, and now it will start to happen with Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
15. Bernie and his supporters will start crying and lying when they lose, so get ready.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

Any attempt to criticize Bernie Sanders should he become the frontrunner will be met with Trumpian-like claims of DNC rigging the primaries against Bernie, "fake news," one of his rivals being tarred with the "Wall Street" darling moniker that he and his surrogates like to use, just as the Republicans tar Democrats with charges of being a socialist or communist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
30. Crying and lying?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:03 PM
Feb 2020

You sound very jaded, and in need of some rest. I hope it gets better for you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. There is no "license" whatsoever needed to support Bernie, or any other Dem candidate,
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:06 PM
Feb 2020

or any Dem policy.

Any voter eligible to vote in a Democratic primary or caucus is perfectly free to vote for Bernie.

The writer of the OP seems to be trying to imply that there is some kind of obstacle to both when there are none.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
11. The Sanders supporters were absolutely horrid in 2016. I expect that they'll get worse...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:09 PM
Feb 2020

especially when Bernie starts losing. Watch this space...they'll start accusing the DNC of cheating again. He'll start lying and misleading his supporters about how the system is rigged against him.

Who does that sound like? If you said Donald J. Trump, you would be correct.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. I believe the groundwork is already being laid.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:10 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
13. Absolutely not Let's get past the Lily White states and give more diverse states a chance to vote.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Horizens

(637 posts)
19. Re: "Sanders isn't technically a Democrat"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:45 PM
Feb 2020

He's not a Democrat. Period.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. "He's not a Democrat. Period." -- Yes. This. Thank you. Amen!
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:36 PM
Feb 2020
He's not a Democrat. Period.
Yes. This. Thank you. Amen!






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
20. I don't have a problem voting for whoever wins the democratic nomination.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:14 PM
Feb 2020

I just think Trump has a lot of things up his sleeve if Bernie gets the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,354 posts)
29. Thanks for the addition Garrett, a most thought provoking read.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:56 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
27. He's popular among Democrats
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

Even if he isn't first choice. It's important to remember how unrepresentative this forum and the pundits are of the general electorate. Not that they don't matter. They're atempting to manipulate opinion to such a degree that their fear may turn into self fullfilling prophecy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

msongs

(67,395 posts)
28. +/- 75% of voters so far want nothing to do with sanders lol nt
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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