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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:29 PM Feb 2020

Klobuchar supporters: please explain!

Several of the reproductive justice groups that I follow in FB posted this article, from a well-respected RJ news site, this morning:

https://rewire.news/article/2020/02/12/klobuchar-democrats-should-be-a-big-tent-with-abortion-rights-foes/

Klobuchar, who finished third in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary after coming in fifth in the Iowa caucuses a week prior, said the Democratic Party is a “big tent party, and there are pro-life Democrats, and they are part of our party. … I think we need to bring people in instead of shutting them out.”


What is this all about? How can any Democratic supporter of reproductive justice say or support this? I'm still undecided since Sen Harris quit the race, and was starting to take a closer look at Sen Klobuchar - until now.

MY RIGHTS ARE NOT NEGOTIABLE
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Klobuchar supporters: please explain! (Original Post) musette_sf Feb 2020 OP
If there are pro-life Dems, I want them to vote Democratic. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #1
Not really. musette_sf Feb 2020 #11
you can be pro-life but still support other peoples right to choose nt Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #2
and that is called PRO-CHOICE musette_sf Feb 2020 #13
they describe themselves as prolife for their decisions but prochoice for yours Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #31
No, they do NOT! musette_sf Feb 2020 #38
I'm sorry so you think a lot of people joined DFLA? Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #48
website doesn't list membership size, FB page 12K likes Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #54
+100 (n/t) IndyOp Feb 2020 #75
and some people who call themselves "pro-life" are not insane about it. MH1 Feb 2020 #107
This is absurd squirecam Feb 2020 #3
you are correct. mopinko Feb 2020 #6
THANK YOU MontanaMama Feb 2020 #16
Aren't they allowed to vote Democrat? Dem2 Feb 2020 #4
Casey squirecam Feb 2020 #20
Harry Reid, Tim Kaine NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #39
But Reid and Kaine were never involved with so-called musette_sf Feb 2020 #47
Who is? mcar Feb 2020 #58
how about the "pro-life Democrat" troll who antagonized Pete at a town hall? musette_sf Feb 2020 #81
How is Amy responsible for that person? mcar Feb 2020 #84
I didn't say Sen Klobuchar was responsible for that person. musette_sf Feb 2020 #92
But that is not what you posted mcar Feb 2020 #100
I guess Senator Klobuchar was suppose to tell the questioner SharonClark Feb 2020 #91
What is the alternative? Telling marybourg Feb 2020 #5
Good point...there will be disagreements...we are a big tent party...only way we ever win. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #26
A recent town hall had a question from a pro-life Democrat. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #7
But so-called "pro-life Democrats" musette_sf Feb 2020 #18
... 2naSalit Feb 2020 #57
If we tell these anti-choice democrats to pound sand Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #78
I'm not sure this says anything about Amy's stand on reproductive rights. kag Feb 2020 #8
Amy's as pro-choice as any elected Democrat in Congress. MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #9
Expect a lot of this stuff now. squirecam Feb 2020 #14
Excuse me, but I did NOT post as an, ahem, "smear". musette_sf Feb 2020 #24
Planned parenthood rating squirecam Feb 2020 #28
Again: Rewire is a highly respected RJ news site - NOT "bs" musette_sf Feb 2020 #34
If they wanted to dispel misinformation squirecam Feb 2020 #35
I looked up Rewire jls4561 Feb 2020 #44
Rewire.News musette_sf Feb 2020 #53
Thank you for the link jls4561 Feb 2020 #90
hey... you can be pro-life handmade34 Feb 2020 #10
If we want to win in November, we need all Democratic votes, not just pro-choice ones. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #12
Casey is/was pro life, but hated by Repubs. squirecam Feb 2020 #19
But you're forgetting the "all or nothing" party members I guess. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #68
A good democrat accepts many issues. That does not mean they approve of them. pwb Feb 2020 #15
It's about the collective mzmolly Feb 2020 #17
That is true also. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #22
There are and will be anti-choice in our party...but they should honor our platform and not vote for Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #21
Ah, so this is the tactic that'll be used to attack klobuchar mathematic Feb 2020 #23
The article is from a well-respected reproductive justice news site. musette_sf Feb 2020 #27
With an apparent agenda squirecam Feb 2020 #32
If we want to win Senate in some states, we need to be accepting of pro-life democrats Buckeyeblue Feb 2020 #25
Not a Klobuchar supporter but I like her. redqueen Feb 2020 #29
Lemme guess, "My Dad Meghan McCain" yelled Democrats kill babies? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #30
Yep that was the basis of the "article" squirecam Feb 2020 #43
She doesn't want to negotiate your rights. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #33
Apparently her voting record of 100% squirecam Feb 2020 #45
Some people seem to think our base is 80% of the electorate Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #36
Not everyone is a single issue voter, or abortion isn't the single "issue" that affects their vote Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #37
The legal status musette_sf Feb 2020 #41
I don't think I have any disagreement with what you've stated Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #65
I absolutely agree with you. But, again mcar Feb 2020 #103
The repubs have never been pro life. squirecam Feb 2020 #46
Yeah, I don't buy their phrasing either. Hence my quotations around "pro-life" Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #56
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #50
What's to explain? Seems pretty clear. jmg257 Feb 2020 #40
So you would prefer we tell these folks to just vote Republican or stay home? tritsofme Feb 2020 #42
I know pro-life Dems. My senator is one. apcalc Feb 2020 #49
Skinner has said that pro-lifers can be members of DU. We are a big tent forum. Kaleva Feb 2020 #51
Purity now and forever!11 HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #52
Protecting my civil rights is NOT "purity". musette_sf Feb 2020 #55
So what point are you attempting to make, that Klobuchar is pro life? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #61
Not at all. musette_sf Feb 2020 #70
If only HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #76
Your'e a member of a forum that allows pro-lifers. Kaleva Feb 2020 #72
But smearing a candidate who has always protected your civil rights, Squinch Feb 2020 #86
If I am not mistaken, her record as a supporter of a woman's Squinch Feb 2020 #59
She has a 100% rating from PP mcar Feb 2020 #60
Apparently that's not pure enough for some. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #63
Yep. mcar Feb 2020 #64
I wonder what reproductive rights the op thinks she'll have after 4 more years of Dump? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #66
So asking an honest question about a candidate, musette_sf Feb 2020 #71
Again, what's your point, that Klobuchar is pro life? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #73
An honest question would include the truth mcar Feb 2020 #79
And if the article had not been from Rewire musette_sf Feb 2020 #80
The source may be reputable, but that doesn't mean it included all the facts mcar Feb 2020 #85
Exactly right squirecam Feb 2020 #89
Exactly squirecam Feb 2020 #88
Exactly right. nt DesertRat Feb 2020 #105
Who else should we demand not vote for our candidate? dem4decades Feb 2020 #62
If Amy's policies are pro-choice, but she speaks respectfully about people who aren't, so what? AdamGG Feb 2020 #67
Amy's campaign is doing well. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #69
Abortion is one of those issues where I think good people can disagree. I, personally, LAS14 Feb 2020 #74
Colin Peterson Wabbajack_ Feb 2020 #77
Anti choice is more than welcome to vote for a Democrat that will 100% protect pro choice. krissey Feb 2020 #82
I think people can be... Mike Nelson Feb 2020 #83
What is there to explain? I am a pro-life Dem sarisataka Feb 2020 #87
Democratic Party Platform 2020: musette_sf Feb 2020 #93
sarisataka gave you an honest opinion of her/his position SharonClark Feb 2020 #94
I wonder about those sarisataka Feb 2020 #97
Are you saying sarisataka Feb 2020 #95
I'm very proud of her eilen Feb 2020 #96
I personally know Dem pro-lifers... cynatnite Feb 2020 #98
It's actually a smart move on her part liberalmediaaddict Feb 2020 #99
We want votes. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #101
Who made you our parent? RandySF Feb 2020 #102
Huh? musette_sf Feb 2020 #106
We are not -- and should NEVER be -- an authoritarian party demanding strict adherence on highplainsdem Feb 2020 #104
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
1. If there are pro-life Dems, I want them to vote Democratic.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:31 PM
Feb 2020

Is that an explanation?

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
11. Not really.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

And I'm not just trying to be argumentative.

Pro-choice includes ALL choices - including the choice of gestating to term.

So-called "pro-life" respects NO choices - ESPECIALLY the choice of NOT gestating to term.

This is from the 2020 Democratic Party Platform:

We will support sexual and reproductive health and rights around the globe. In addition to expanding the availability of affordable family planning information and contraceptive supplies, we believe that safe abortion must be part of comprehensive maternal and women’s health care and included as part of America’s global health programming. Therefore, we support the repeal of harmful restrictions that obstruct women’s access to health care information and services, including the “global gag rule” and the Helms Amendment that bars American assistance to provide safe, legal abortion throughout the developing world.
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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
2. you can be pro-life but still support other peoples right to choose nt
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:31 PM
Feb 2020

nt

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
13. and that is called PRO-CHOICE
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020

Pro-choice means I respect ALL choices.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
31. they describe themselves as prolife for their decisions but prochoice for yours
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:56 PM
Feb 2020

I don't think prolife or prochoice are patented phrases which have one and only one prescribed usage.

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
38. No, they do NOT!
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

So-called "Democrats For Life" want to recriminalize safe and legal pregnancy termination.

DFLA Mission Statement
Democrats For Life of America advocates and supports programs and policies that respect and promote life from conception to natural death. This includes, but is not limited to, opposition to abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia.
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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
48. I'm sorry so you think a lot of people joined DFLA?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:12 PM
Feb 2020

close to 100% of the people in my life don't belong to any political organization (ignoring party registration)

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
54. website doesn't list membership size, FB page 12K likes
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:15 PM
Feb 2020

its not representative of democrats

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MH1

(17,573 posts)
107. and some people who call themselves "pro-life" are not insane about it.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:25 PM
Feb 2020

There are insane people who basically want to shut down access to contraception.

There are others who really just want to stop "late-term abortions" and reduce the number of all abortions, but also like to call themselves "pro-life" for benefit of friends and family.

I personally think the decision to have an abortion should be between a woman and her doctor (and sometimes perhaps, her partner, depending on the relationship; but that not legally mandated of course).

But if the difference between a Democrat in the WH and another Trump term is agreeing that perhaps there should be more regulation of abortions after viability ... I'm willing to at least discuss it. I might ask that they consider full subsidizing of pregnancy by the government when the government takes away the right to choose ... but hey, if they care about babies so much that should be NO problem. And I mean FULL subsidy, including compensation for time as well as support and expenses. But if we have this conversation - we are having a conversation, and that is a step forward from where we are today: which is at risk of losing the right to choose altogether.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
3. This is absurd
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:32 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/presidential-candidate-profiles/amy-klobuchar

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/amy-klobuchar-is-actually-quite-liberal

Despite her image as some sort of centrist, Klobuchar has actually voted with socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., 87 percent of the time over the course of her Senate career, according to an analysis of data from Pro Publica’s vote comparison tool. That’s more than she voted with Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., who could more accurately be described as a centrist.

Klobuchar has compiled a 100 percent rating from pro-abortion groups Planned Parenthood and NARAL. She has an ‘F’ rating from the National Rifle Association. She is in lock-step with unions — carrying a 100 percent rating from the Communications Workers for America, and a 95 percent lifetime rating from the AFL-CIO (100 percent for the most recent session).
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mopinko

(69,990 posts)
6. you are correct.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:36 PM
Feb 2020

absurd.
let's do our best to stay anchored to reality folks.
there are pro-life dems right here. it has been a long running argument among the membership here. but lets hold it against a good candidate. sheesh.

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MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
16. THANK YOU
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:43 PM
Feb 2020

for posting this. 100% rating from PP and NARAL is good enough for me.

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Dem2

(8,166 posts)
4. Aren't they allowed to vote Democrat?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:33 PM
Feb 2020

I don't agree with them, but I know of pro-life Democrats.

Should we order them not to vote for Democrats? Seems like a bad idea.

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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
39. Harry Reid, Tim Kaine
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:03 PM
Feb 2020

and others are pro-life personally, but also pro-choice.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
47. But Reid and Kaine were never involved with so-called
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:11 PM
Feb 2020

"Democrats For Life". Pro-choice means support of ALL choices. SO-called "pro-life" means support of NO choices.

DFLA Mission Statement
Democrats For Life of America advocates and supports programs and policies that respect and promote life from conception to natural death. This includes, but is not limited to, opposition to abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia.
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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
81. how about the "pro-life Democrat" troll who antagonized Pete at a town hall?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:17 PM
Feb 2020
https://rewire.news/article/2020/01/27/democrats-for-life-activist-asks-pete-buttigieg-to-court-anti-choice-voters/

Because THESE are the people who are attempting to co-opt the reproductive justice platform of the Democratic Party.
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mcar

(42,278 posts)
84. How is Amy responsible for that person?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:32 PM
Feb 2020
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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
92. I didn't say Sen Klobuchar was responsible for that person.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:26 PM
Feb 2020

I provided this information as an example of the fact that so-called "Democrats For Life" actively seeks to strip away the 14th Amendment rights of innocent women.

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mcar

(42,278 posts)
100. But that is not what you posted
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020

Nor is Klobuchar involved with this apparently small group.

Here's what you posted:

Klobuchar, who finished third in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary after coming in fifth in the Iowa caucuses a week prior, said the Democratic Party is a “big tent party, and there are pro-life Democrats, and they are part of our party. … I think we need to bring people in instead of shutting them out.”


Nothing to do with Democrats for Life. Also, can you please point to where other Democratic presidential candidates called for anti-abortion Democrats to be thrown out of the party. Thanks.

I'm still trying to see where you're concern about Klobuchar, despite her 100% rating from PP, but no other candidate, comes from.
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SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
91. I guess Senator Klobuchar was suppose to tell the questioner
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:22 PM
Feb 2020

"Hello NO! We don't want you in the Democratic Party".

Everyone is welcome in the Democratic Party, we just don't let them control our platform or policies.

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marybourg

(12,584 posts)
5. What is the alternative? Telling
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:35 PM
Feb 2020

people who oppose the right to an abortion that they are not welcome to vote for Dems? What would that accomplish? Remember what FDR said: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

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Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
26. Good point...there will be disagreements...we are a big tent party...only way we ever win.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020
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oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
7. A recent town hall had a question from a pro-life Democrat.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:36 PM
Feb 2020

So you want a 'small tent' party; excluding anyone who doesnt toe the line on EVERY SINGLE party platform?
That sounds exactly like what the hard core conservatives do over in THAT party. "he aint conservative enough" was the refrain against Romney.

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
18. But so-called "pro-life Democrats"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020

are NOT "live and let live", and do NOT respect all choices.

again -

MY RIGHTS ARE NOT NEGOTIABLE

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2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
57. ...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:22 PM
Feb 2020
WELL YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION AND SO IS EVERYONE ELSE

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Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
78. If we tell these anti-choice democrats to pound sand
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020

then they will either not vote at all, or they will vote in anti-choice republicans who will actively work to restrict reproductive rights. But if we accept them into the party and they are willing to set aside their differences on abortion because they support the majority of democratic ideals, then they will vote for pro-choice candidates such as Amy Klobuchar who will protect yours and every other woman's reproductive rights.

Thanks to people like Amy with her wide open arms, we will convert some voters who usually vote republican or don't vote at all. Klobuchar really is a forward thinking awesome person for doing what it takes to protect our democratic ideals by getting others to support the democratic party.

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kag

(4,078 posts)
8. I'm not sure this says anything about Amy's stand on reproductive rights.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:37 PM
Feb 2020

I'm just as passionate about protecting reproductive rights as the next person, but I'm not sure this means Amy is any less so. She's a politician, and is trying not to offend intelligence-challenged people.

Frankly if some anti-woman idiot wants to join the Dems, that's fine with me, but we won't be taking rr's out of the platform, and we won't stop fighting for them.

Who knows? Maybe we can convince some people that being in favor of comprehensive healthcare for women IS "pro-life." Not holding my breath, but ya' never know.

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MontanaFarmer

(630 posts)
9. Amy's as pro-choice as any elected Democrat in Congress.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:39 PM
Feb 2020

I think her point may have been that we need those center-left but perhaps religious voters to win elections. But if you were considering Amy before, there is nothing in her history or policy positions re: abortion rights that should make you consider otherwise.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
14. Expect a lot of this stuff now.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:42 PM
Feb 2020

“I was considering Amy but...smear smear smear. What is her actual position?”

If one is really considering Amy, they should know her PP ratings. And not rely on bs smears. All of her accurate info is available on her website.

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
24. Excuse me, but I did NOT post as an, ahem, "smear".
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

I saw messages this morning in my FB news feed from one of the most respected reproductive justice news sites, Rewire, with this information.

Had the information come from some flaky non-news propaganda source, I would have considered the source and blown it off.

I had to consider the source - Rewire - as one that I have respected for over a decade for news and opinion on reproductive justice matters. Rewire is as far from "bs" as can be.




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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
28. Planned parenthood rating
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020

Is 100%.

Any attack on Amy on choice is pure bs. I don’t care what the source is.

It’s the negative agenda to put stuff out there that makes people question whether Amy would appoint a pro life judge, or something.

And it’s wrong.

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
34. Again: Rewire is a highly respected RJ news site - NOT "bs"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:59 PM
Feb 2020
Rewire.News is an award-winning, nonprofit daily online publication devoted to evidence-based reporting on reproductive and sexual health, rights, and justice, and the intersections of racial, environmental, immigration, and economic justice.

We publish news, analysis, and investigative reporting created by professional journalists, editors, and multimedia experts. We also offer vigorous commentary, debate, and opinion rooted in fact and considered thinking.

Our work is intended to fulfill the core role of journalism in a democratic society by fostering public knowledge and dispelling misinformation on issues more commonly shrouded in misinformation and ideology.


https://rewire.news/about-us/
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
35. If they wanted to dispel misinformation
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:01 PM
Feb 2020

They why not post her 100% rating with pro choice groups?

Someone there had an agenda to take her numbers down. Instead of telling the whole truth, the article provides a single sentence on Amy’s views:

Klobuchar supports abortion access, according to her campaign website, naming last year’s spate of near-total abortion bans on the state level as “dangerous” and “unconstitutional.”



She has done FAR MORE then that, as shown by her rating and the bills shown on the PP site I linked to above.
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jls4561

(1,253 posts)
44. I looked up Rewire
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:09 PM
Feb 2020

There is a site affiliated with a Minnesota PBS station. If this is not the site you are citing, can you provide a link?

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musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
53. Rewire.News
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:15 PM
Feb 2020
https://rewire.news/

I have been a follower and donor for over a decade.

Rewire.News is an award-winning, nonprofit daily online publication devoted to evidence-based reporting on reproductive and sexual health, rights, and justice, and the intersections of racial, environmental, immigration, and economic justice.

We publish news, analysis, and investigative reporting created by professional journalists, editors, and multimedia experts. We also offer vigorous commentary, debate, and opinion rooted in fact and considered thinking.

Our work is intended to fulfill the core role of journalism in a democratic society by fostering public knowledge and dispelling misinformation on issues more commonly shrouded in misinformation and ideology.

Our goals are to:

- proactively inform our large, growing, and politically active readership, including other journalists and media pundits, policymakers, researchers, advocates, lawyers, medical professionals, and interested publics;
- challenge false, misleading, and stigmatizing reporting by other media outlets and correct the record when others fail to report the facts;
- counter falsehoods and misinformation spread by those who seek political gain from undermining public health and human rights, irrespective of political party or belief;
- add to the body of knowledge and informed public debate by covering unreported and underreported issues.

We rely on evidence for all our reporting and positions, eschew false equivalencies, believe in the separation of church and state, are unafraid to call out flaws in conventional wisdom, and do not pledge allegiance to any political party.

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jls4561

(1,253 posts)
90. Thank you for the link
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:50 PM
Feb 2020

I looked it up and bookmarked it.

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handmade34

(22,756 posts)
10. hey... you can be pro-life
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

that's cool... just don't pretend to tell me what to do with my body... pro-life is great: anti-abortion is not...

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TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
12. If we want to win in November, we need all Democratic votes, not just pro-choice ones.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

That would seem to be her point.

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oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
68. But you're forgetting the "all or nothing" party members I guess.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:33 PM
Feb 2020

You know them, the ones who snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

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pwb

(11,246 posts)
15. A good democrat accepts many issues. That does not mean they approve of them.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:43 PM
Feb 2020

I am fine with a democrat who is against Abortion.

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mzmolly

(50,978 posts)
17. It's about the collective
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:45 PM
Feb 2020

big picture.

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Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
22. That is true also.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
21. There are and will be anti-choice in our party...but they should honor our platform and not vote for
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:50 PM
Feb 2020

ani-choice measures and most have. Now I objected when Sanders endorsed and campaigned for Heath Mello and Tom Perrirello...not because of their anti-choice positions, although I don't agree wtih such positions, but because both had voted for and in some cases sponsored anti-choice legislation...Mello in Nebraska state government...and Perriello in the house as he voted for the Stutpak amendment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mathematic

(1,431 posts)
23. Ah, so this is the tactic that'll be used to attack klobuchar
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

I was curious what they'd come up with next. After calling warren a snake and buttigieg a rat if they would continue with the animal based theme. Time will tell!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
27. The article is from a well-respected reproductive justice news site.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020

If it were from a fake news and/or nutty opinion site, I'd never even post the question. Rewire is neither of those.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
32. With an apparent agenda
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:57 PM
Feb 2020

Of taking down Amy.

It’s wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
25. If we want to win Senate in some states, we need to be accepting of pro-life democrats
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020

But we need to be clear that accepting doesn't mean we are going backwards on reproductive rights.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
29. Not a Klobuchar supporter but I like her.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:55 PM
Feb 2020

This is called smart politics. A lot of people consider themselves pro life but also support every woman's right to choose.

Amy's support for women's right to bodily autonomy is solid. I get the logic of making this statement with such a critical election on the line.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
30. Lemme guess, "My Dad Meghan McCain" yelled Democrats kill babies?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:56 PM
Feb 2020

And Amy has to reply to keep that untalented troll off her back.

God fucking damn can we cancel that show?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
43. Yep that was the basis of the "article"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:08 PM
Feb 2020

Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. She doesn't want to negotiate your rights.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

Amy wants Roe v Wade codified into law (Democratic primary debate in Atlanta, Nov 20, 2019), she supports contraception and safe abortions (NY Times Primary debate, Oct 15, 2019), repeal of the Hyde amendment (Face the Nation 2019 interview), supports embryonic stem cell research (Minnesota Public Radio, Jul 19, 2006), she voted no on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion (Bill S.Amdt.4335 to S.Con.Res.70 ), she wants access to safe, legal abortion without restrictions (Women's Health Protection Act 15_S217 ).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
45. Apparently her voting record of 100%
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:09 PM
Feb 2020

Isn’t good enough. For those with an agenda to take her out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
36. Some people seem to think our base is 80% of the electorate
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

Lose a few percent more...no big deal

Elections are won by preference, not turnout. We will never defeat Donald Trump based on turnout. It is the single most idiotic theme I have seen throughout this cycle. The other side is going to swarm to the polls in zealous determination to keep their godsend cult figure in office for 4 more years.

It is mind boggling that anyone rationalizes that we can use a purity test and siphon away a vital section here and there, with absolutely nowhere to make it up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
37. Not everyone is a single issue voter, or abortion isn't the single "issue" that affects their vote
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

If someone is "pro-life" but is willing to put that aside to support democrats because they agree with the democratic platform on most other issues, then I see little problem with accepting them in. It's up to them to decide if they can set aside their differences on abortion in order to support the democratic party. If they are willing to, then by all means let them do it. Why not? Those relatively few voters are not going sway the overall stance/direction of the democratic party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
41. The legal status
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:06 PM
Feb 2020

of women as whole, equal, and fully endowed with the SAME rights as every MALE citizen is NOT a "single issue".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
65. I don't think I have any disagreement with what you've stated
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:29 PM
Feb 2020

However, that doesn't change what I said in my post above, and it also doesn't change common terminology used for someone who bases their vote on something such as abortion.

I also find that it's not uncommon for people to not maintain consistency across the board. They might be like "I support blah blah blah except in the case of bleh bleh bleh because I blah blah" It's actually usually not stated in such a clear cut way, but when you break it down that is how it works out. As frustrating as that can be and as much debate it may spark between you and that person, in the end I think we all benefit if we don't reject them over that disagreement. Not only will we be losing a vote, or perhaps giving the republicans an extra vote, but we also lose our chance to maybe convince that person to view the issue differently. By letting them in we are ensuring that women are endowed with the same rights as men, because their inclusion means their vote will go toward pro-choice democrat such as Klobuchar. Whereas if we leave them out, then their votes either go uncast or they go to an anti-choice republican.

Do you think as whole it would be better to reject those people? If so, why do you think that's the better strategy? If something else, how do you think such situation should be handled?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,278 posts)
103. I absolutely agree with you. But, again
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

What does that have to do with Amy Klobuchar?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
46. The repubs have never been pro life.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:10 PM
Feb 2020

They are pro birth.

https://m.



Caution: language !!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
56. Yeah, I don't buy their phrasing either. Hence my quotations around "pro-life"
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:20 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
40. What's to explain? Seems pretty clear.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:05 PM
Feb 2020
Amy Klobuchar said the Democratic Party shouldn't shut out those who oppose abortion rights.

Democrats, she said, should appeal to independents and “moderate” Republicans, as well as fellow Democrats.

Klobuchar supports abortion access, according to her campaign website, naming last year’s spate of near-total abortion bans on the state level as “dangerous” and “unconstitutional.”


As for any Dem who is pro-life? I'd say - Don't vote for them, and you're good!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tritsofme

(17,370 posts)
42. So you would prefer we tell these folks to just vote Republican or stay home?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:08 PM
Feb 2020

Good idea!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apcalc

(4,462 posts)
49. I know pro-life Dems. My senator is one.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:13 PM
Feb 2020

It’s fine . You don’t have to give up a damn thing.

They vote with us on so many other issues. We need them too.

Are you a one issue voter???????

Do people have to agree with you on EVERY damn thing?

She is right.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
51. Skinner has said that pro-lifers can be members of DU. We are a big tent forum.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
52. Purity now and forever!11
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
55. Protecting my civil rights is NOT "purity".
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:18 PM
Feb 2020

Protecting the status of women as full and equal members of all aspects of society - with the SAME rights as all MALE citizens - is NOT "purity".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
61. So what point are you attempting to make, that Klobuchar is pro life?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:25 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
70. Not at all.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:40 PM
Feb 2020

I am asking her supporters about an article posted today on a highly respected reproductive justice news site.

I'm not trying to make any "point".

And I don't consider the rights of half of the country to be a "purity" debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
76. If only
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:50 PM
Feb 2020

There was a place, I don’t know, maybe on the interwebs, where candidates put all of their positions in one place.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
72. Your'e a member of a forum that allows pro-lifers.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:45 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
86. But smearing a candidate who has always protected your civil rights,
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

smearing her simply because she stated that some Democrats are pro-life - which is a fact - IS "purity." And not in a good way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
59. If I am not mistaken, her record as a supporter of a woman's
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:23 PM
Feb 2020

right to choose is pretty impregnable.

Must we scrape so deep down the barrel to smear our own?

Please stop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,278 posts)
60. She has a 100% rating from PP
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:25 PM
Feb 2020

Can't get more pro-choice than that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
63. Apparently that's not pure enough for some.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,278 posts)
64. Yep.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:29 PM
Feb 2020

It's apparently time to start smearing another woman candidate who had the temerity to do well in a primary race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
66. I wonder what reproductive rights the op thinks she'll have after 4 more years of Dump?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:32 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
71. So asking an honest question about a candidate,
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:42 PM
Feb 2020

prompted by a news posting on a highly respected reproductive rights news site, means I support Orange Caligula?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
73. Again, what's your point, that Klobuchar is pro life?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:45 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,278 posts)
79. An honest question would include the truth
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:04 PM
Feb 2020

that Klobuchar has a 100% rating from PP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
80. And if the article had not been from Rewire
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:11 PM
Feb 2020

I would not have asked the question. But Rewire is one of the most highly respected reproductive rights news sites. So, YES, it was a completely honest question, given the highly reputable source.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,278 posts)
85. The source may be reputable, but that doesn't mean it included all the facts
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:33 PM
Feb 2020

or doesn't have a slant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
89. Exactly right
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:03 PM
Feb 2020

Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
88. Exactly
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:02 PM
Feb 2020

The article author clearly had an agenda to smear Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
105. Exactly right. nt
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dem4decades

(11,269 posts)
62. Who else should we demand not vote for our candidate?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AdamGG

(1,285 posts)
67. If Amy's policies are pro-choice, but she speaks respectfully about people who aren't, so what?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:33 PM
Feb 2020

This election is ALL about beating Trump. The fact that she is a center-left candidate who can maybe bring back some of the rust belt votes that Trump took is a feature, not a bug.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
69. Amy's campaign is doing well.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:34 PM
Feb 2020

Time to start hitting her up with opinions of her. One source and it becomes a headline.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LAS14

(13,769 posts)
74. Abortion is one of those issues where I think good people can disagree. I, personally,
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:46 PM
Feb 2020

will fight to support choice, but I there are lots of anti-abortion people whom I can respect. We've got to revive the ability to agree to disagree. Good for you, Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
77. Colin Peterson
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:51 PM
Feb 2020

Her state, anti-abortion Democrat in a Trump district.


I think she's saying be nice to them and don't drive them away, as far as I know she's 100% pro-choice and wouldn't compromise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
82. Anti choice is more than welcome to vote for a Democrat that will 100% protect pro choice.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:21 PM
Feb 2020

At least she is not telling them to go vote for a Republican.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
83. I think people can be...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:31 PM
Feb 2020

... anti-abortion in their personal lives, and not feel they have the right to prohibit other people from making their own personal decisions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
87. What is there to explain? I am a pro-life Dem
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020

I am against abortion in all but the most extreme circumstances. If a human life is to be ended the positive should be of equal weight.

Many people have different opinions than mine. That is fine. If someone asks my opinion I will give it; if someone asks my support for a choice they have made I will give that as well, unconditionally and without judgment. I cannot force my belief on another either directly or by restricting their ability to make their choices.

Amy welcomes people such as myself who vote for Democrats every election. Would you prefer if I, and others of like mind, stopped supporting Democrats?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
93. Democratic Party Platform 2020:
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:29 PM
Feb 2020
We will support sexual and reproductive health and rights around the globe. In addition to expanding the availability of affordable family planning information and contraceptive supplies, we believe that safe abortion must be part of comprehensive maternal and women’s health care and included as part of America’s global health programming. Therefore, we support the repeal of harmful restrictions that obstruct women’s access to health care information and services, including the “global gag rule” and the Helms Amendment that bars American assistance to provide safe, legal abortion throughout the developing world.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
94. sarisataka gave you an honest opinion of her/his position
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:42 PM
Feb 2020

and your response was to quote the Party Platform?

I'm as pro-choice as anyone, having been a state director for NARAL, a clinic escort at PP, worked at the state level to assure a strong pro-choice article in the state platform, and I vote for only pro-choice candidates. However, I don't insult people who support and vote for the Democratic Party.

How do you feel about Democrats who are members of the NRA? Do you want to tell them they can't vote for Democrats as well?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
97. I wonder about those
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:07 PM
Feb 2020

Who are willing to come up with lists of people who are excluded from being Democrats.

I probably agree with the platform 90%. I can accept that I will be joining those who will disagree with me 10% of the time. Probably even more because they may disagree with a plank I favor.

I will respect those who disagree with me as together we are working towards a much greater good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
95. Are you saying
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:58 PM
Feb 2020

Only people who are 100% on agreement with the party platform are welcome?

I am aware of the platform and if you read carefully you will notice that I do not oppose it. I don't believe I have the right to impose my personal beliefs on others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

eilen

(4,950 posts)
96. I'm very proud of her
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:58 PM
Feb 2020

I saw this tweet on a newsletter I get:
Chris Crawford
@CrawfordStuff
Today I asked @amyklobuchar if there is room in her coalition for pro-life people. She said yes of course. I asked if she’d try to find common ground on bringing down the number of abortions.

She said “Yes. Yes.” And told me about her work in the adoption caucus in the Senate.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to decrease the number of abortions and doing this by supporting women, increasing access to birth control, providing sex education to young women, giving them family leave, affordable healthcare, family friendly policies and not locking them out of educational and career opportunities, decreasing the numbers of unwanted pregnancies and working with pro-life democrats to do that. We can do all of this without denying women liberty and autonomy of their bodies. We can do this without removing a safe option for women who choose it. We can tell pro-life Democrats there is room for them in our party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
98. I personally know Dem pro-lifers...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:09 PM
Feb 2020

They just don't think it's the government's place to make that call for a woman. They are 100% against abortion, but not the government's meddling in it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
99. It's actually a smart move on her part
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:15 PM
Feb 2020

There's so many Americans who don't like Trump but refuse to vote Democrat under any circumstance because of two issues... abortion and guns. They've been brainwashed into thinking we are the "abortion on demand" party who's going to abolish the 2nd Amendment.

She should continue to tell "pro-life" and "pro-gun" voters they are welcome to into the Democratic Party. It doesn't mean Klobuchar is going to stop voting for bills that support women's reproductive choice and gun control legislation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,586 posts)
101. We want votes.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:11 PM
Feb 2020

Those voters will not control the platform.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(58,477 posts)
102. Who made you our parent?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:12 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,198 posts)
106. Huh?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:16 PM
Feb 2020

As explained before, I read an article this morning in a very reputable reproductive justice news site.

Instead of just writing Sen Klobuchar off, I wanted to ask her supporters what they knew about the information in said article.

DU had many discussions back in 2017 about Sen Sanders' support for alleged "pro-life Democrat" Heath Mello. I see this as a similar situation, and wanted to check the pulse of Sen Klobuchar's supporters on this morning's article in Rewire.news.

My candidate (Sen Harris) has left the race, and I don't have much time to choose the candidate I will vote for in my state's primary. I've been leaning towards former VP Biden, but based on this morning's primary results, I was also considering taking a look at Sen Klobuchar - and then saw the article in question on Rewire.news.

Reproductive justice is non-negotiable for me. Pro-choice means ALL choices. "Pro-life" does NOT mean all choices. Sen Reid and Sen Kaine, for example, have been quite clear that they support choice and the legal protections around choice, despite the tenets of their respective religions. They get it that pro-choice includes ALL choices, which includes the choice to NOT terminate a pregnancy. Supposed "Democrats" who have a need to proclaim that they are "pro-life" are, in my opinion, not respecting the Democratic Party Platform, and not respecting the fact that pro-choice encompasses ALL choices.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
104. We are not -- and should NEVER be -- an authoritarian party demanding strict adherence on
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:22 PM
Feb 2020

every issue.

That way lies splintering and irrelevance in our system of government.

Kudos to Klobuchar for recognizing that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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