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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:49 PM Feb 2020

Who was the last non "centrist" Democrat to be elected president?

I put "centrist" in scare quotes because a "centrist" to many posters here is synonymous for a candidate they don't like.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Who was the last non "centrist" Democrat to be elected president? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Feb 2020 #1
Jackson? Right winger. Kaleva Feb 2020 #2
LOL honest.abe Feb 2020 #3
Was Old Hickory a right winger for his time? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #6
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #4
Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich were to the left of PBO. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #8
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #22
I agree with the person above on Teddy Roosevelt el_bryanto Feb 2020 #5
TR was a Republican DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #7
yeah, I misread the question, so self-deleted. bluewater Feb 2020 #10
Iit was a great answer till I thought "Waaaaaiiit a minute here!". Kaleva Feb 2020 #16
TR was not a republican. He started a progressive party which ultimately was named the in2herbs Feb 2020 #11
Roosevelt was a Republican when he was president. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #19
Teddy was a Republican bluescribbler Feb 2020 #9
How is this even in dispute?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #39
LBJ denem Feb 2020 #12
Not on Vietnam. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #20
"centrist" generally refers to economic policy denem Feb 2020 #24
If you're calling him a conservative, he did pass major civil rights legislation Clash City Rocker Feb 2020 #30
The opposite - I'm call him a 'non centrist' denem Feb 2020 #33
LBJ was elected once wryter2000 Feb 2020 #41
Obama question everything Feb 2020 #13
Kennedy was progressive for his day. bluewater Feb 2020 #14
Adlai Stevenson was to the left of JFK. He was also a cold warrior. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #15
Lyndon Johnson was very progressive on social issues. bluewater Feb 2020 #17
yeah - I'd go with Johnson rurallib Feb 2020 #18
He wasn't seen that way before he took office. marybourg Feb 2020 #35
exactly right Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #36
since 1980 a centrist is anyone slighty left of Reagan jg10003 Feb 2020 #21
It depends how you define centrist democrattotheend Feb 2020 #23
FDR customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #25
Agree. 33taw Feb 2020 #34
Probably Obama, honestly. bearsfootball516 Feb 2020 #26
But it's not uncommon to see some groups on the left label Obama as centrist or even conservative Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #31
re: "The ACA, bank bailouts were all considered extremely progressive." Not really. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #38
George McGovern...... still_one Feb 2020 #27
I'd say Obama in 2008 ran as a progressive but governed as a centrist if we are using " Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #28
Obama. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #29
none. TrunKated Feb 2020 #32
OTOH, Dems have often lost when running a centrist. We haven't lost with a liberal since 1972. n/t thesquanderer Feb 2020 #37
actually Bill Clinton MFM008 Feb 2020 #40

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. Was Old Hickory a right winger for his time?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

Most of his contemporaries were as nativist af.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich were to the left of PBO.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
5. I agree with the person above on Teddy Roosevelt
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:52 PM
Feb 2020

But it'd also be interesting to consider how many candidates there are in each primary when we are out of power - it feels like that is increasing.

Bryant
http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

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bluewater

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10. yeah, I misread the question, so self-deleted.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:56 PM
Feb 2020
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Kaleva

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16. Iit was a great answer till I thought "Waaaaaiiit a minute here!".
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:59 PM
Feb 2020
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in2herbs

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11. TR was not a republican. He started a progressive party which ultimately was named the
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020

Bull Moose Party.

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TwilightZone

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19. Roosevelt was a Republican when he was president.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:01 PM
Feb 2020

He didn't start the Progressive Party until 1912. He returned to the GOP in 1916.

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bluescribbler

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9. Teddy was a Republican
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:54 PM
Feb 2020

Franklin was the Democrat, and he was not a "centrist.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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39. How is this even in dispute?!
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:51 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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denem

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24. "centrist" generally refers to economic policy
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:04 PM
Feb 2020

as opposed to "internationalist" / "nationalist" / "interventionist" /"isolationist" on FP

So yeah, LBJ - not a "centrist".

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Clash City Rocker

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30. If you're calling him a conservative, he did pass major civil rights legislation
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:23 PM
Feb 2020
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denem

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33. The opposite - I'm call him a 'non centrist'
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:32 PM
Feb 2020

He was a internationalist / interventionist on foreign policy - a liberal or progressive at home.

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wryter2000

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41. LBJ was elected once
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:28 PM
Feb 2020

But he was the incumbent president at the time. It's not at all clear that he would have won without that.

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question everything

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13. Obama
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020

Yes, we liked to have elected a black. But he was, still is, a centrist. He selected former Clinton - yes, a centrist - staff members to be his staff. As a matter of fact, I remember grumbling on these pages immediately after his nomination because he was not "pure" enough.

Don't we just love "pure" candidates. Here, put this one in quotation marks.

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bluewater

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14. Kennedy was progressive for his day.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020
Calling it the “New Frontier,” Kennedy’s domestic program promised greater funding for education, medical care for the elderly, economic aid to rural areas, and an end to racial discrimination.
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DemocratSinceBirth

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15. Adlai Stevenson was to the left of JFK. He was also a cold warrior.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:59 PM
Feb 2020
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bluewater

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17. Lyndon Johnson was very progressive on social issues.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:59 PM
Feb 2020

That's often forgotten.

Johnson’s “Great Society” program, consisted of social reform legislation protecting civil rights, prohibiting racial discrimination, and expanding programs like Medicare, Medicaid, aid to education, and the arts. Johnson is also remembered for his “War on Poverty” program, which created jobs and helped millions of Americans overcome poverty.
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rurallib

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18. yeah - I'd go with Johnson
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:00 PM
Feb 2020
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marybourg

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35. He wasn't seen that way before he took office.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

He was a Texan, a southerner to those of us in the northeast. We were terrified of him. I’d go with FDR, and even he was really only a leftist because of the Depression.

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Voltaire2

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36. exactly right
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

it was a shame he destroyed his presidency over that stupid awful war.

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jg10003

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21. since 1980 a centrist is anyone slighty left of Reagan
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:03 PM
Feb 2020

It's time for Democrats to get back to their liberal roots.

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democrattotheend

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23. It depends how you define centrist
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:03 PM
Feb 2020

I didn't really consider Obama to be that much of a centrist, although he governed as more of a centrist than he ran as in some ways.

IDK if I'd consider Jimmy Carter a centrist either. But he was president before I was born so I don't know where he stood on everything.

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customerserviceguy

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25. FDR
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:07 PM
Feb 2020

He was considered practically a communist by wealthy Republicans after all those years of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover.

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bearsfootball516

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26. Probably Obama, honestly.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:10 PM
Feb 2020

People forget that in 2008, his platform was considered very progressive. The ACA, bank bailouts were all considered extremely progressive.

He wasn't as far left as Sanders is, but he was further left than candidates such as Biden and Buttigieg are.

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Sapient Donkey

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31. But it's not uncommon to see some groups on the left label Obama as centrist or even conservative
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:26 PM
Feb 2020

Being as how those folks are the ones usually using the term centrist as a slur, I assume that's what people are probably referring to when they say centrist (often with words like neoliberal thrown in for good measure) Of course I am basing this on social media and I don't know how representative of the country that is. Not to mention who knows how many of those are opposition trolls or trolls from foreign countries trying to sow division.

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thesquanderer

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38. re: "The ACA, bank bailouts were all considered extremely progressive." Not really.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:49 PM
Feb 2020

The ACA was a moderate Republican healthcare plan (it had essentially been implemented in Massachusetts under Mitt Romney).

Republicans were also very much in favor of bailing out the banks... in fact they actually based under GW Bush before Obama became president. Maybe you're thinking of the auto industry bailout.

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still_one

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27. George McGovern......
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:14 PM
Feb 2020

Oops, you mean the “centrists” who gave us SC court justices like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, or that gave us Medicare, Medicaid, fought for women’s rights, workers rights, gave us the Civil Rights act, fought for the environment, etc etc etc

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Nanjeanne

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28. I'd say Obama in 2008 ran as a progressive but governed as a centrist if we are using "
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:16 PM
Feb 2020

Bill Clinton presented himself as a centrist when he ran.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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29. Obama.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:18 PM
Feb 2020

And he was a damn good president.

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TrunKated

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32. none.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:28 PM
Feb 2020

Even FDR was a centrist until he decided to experiment to pull us out of the Depression.

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thesquanderer

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37. OTOH, Dems have often lost when running a centrist. We haven't lost with a liberal since 1972. n/t
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:45 PM
Feb 2020
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MFM008

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40. actually Bill Clinton
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

was pretty centrist and sometime the Best President, Obama was to centrist for me.

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