here's the thing about bloomie that may just win me over.

[mopinko]

imho, he is likely the first person in american history to run for the presidency who really didnt give a shit whether he got the job or not.
think on that.

he's got one mission, and it is the one mission that all want our candidate to take on- trash donald trump, and roast his carcass on a billion dollar fire.

and now we have meme2020.

this is all over but the cryin.
go mike.

[rzemanfl]

1. He understands the existential nature of the threat. n/t

[mopinko]

4. AND THE BATTLEFIELD!

sorry to yell, but everyone else is playing w an old playbook.

[Squinch]

7. This. This is the most important point.

Vlad and Filthy Donnie aren't playing by any rules, and republicans have always managed to run rings around us in messaging.

[BusyBeingBest]

15. I agree--look what's happening to our government and our institutions

EVERY SINGLE DAY. They are crumbling. I don't think we can even stand another 9 months of destruction, let alone 4 more years.

[Volaris]

62. Then let's put him in charge of the DNC maybe, but the OPs observation IS a pretty good argument...

[Basic LA]

40. You couldn't be more right!

Everyone else IS playing w an old playbook. And that fusty old playbook won't work any more. We have to fight fire w fire this time.

[samnsara]

2. hes tough for sure

[MANative]

3. I could tolerate him pretty well for one term, and...

I've been thinking that Amy would be a good VP and successor. As much as I like Joe, I'm starting to think that it's just not going to happen.

[Happyhippychick]

23. I am your clone

Like Joe but afraid he can't do it, want Amy for Veep

Or Stacey Abrams

[MANative]

25. I could definitely get behind Stacey

The only reason I'd slightly lean toward Amy is that I think she could really help swing a couple of midwestern states away from Trump. I think the likelihood of moving southern states is smaller. Purely electoral college speculation!

[Happyhippychick]

26. I agree with you, we need Michigan

[liberalgunwilltravel]

71. Need to win Michigan (PA & WI)

The best way to win Michigan is to make sure you get a big turn out in Detroit. Stacy Abrams likely gets you that. Another thing that Abrams give you is some inoculation against the attacks that Mike is a racist. I like Amy, but if Mike is at the top of the ticket, I thnk there are more upsides to Stacy.

[FoxNewsSucks]

52. I think Abrams would help in the south,

remember, the only reason she's not governor of Georgia right now is because republicons CHEAT and STEAL.

[SWBTATTReg]

54. Yeah, I like her and hated what they did to her in Georgia, stealing her win...I hope she runs...

for something else, she sounds like a smart cookie, one which I wouldn't mind on my side...

[MANative]

55. Of course, that's right. And I expect that they'll do it again.

I'm sure they'll also try to cheat elsewhere, but approval polling in PA and MI currently has Trump pretty deep underwater. Not quite so much in the south.

[greymattermom]

35. I like Stacey and have seen her in person more than once, but

I think Amy or Kamala would be better as veep.

[Fla Dem]

50. Or Kamala Harris. I could live with any of those VP suggestions.

I would actually love any of those tickets:
Bloomberg & Harris
Bloomberg & Klobuchar
Bloomberg & Abrams

[FoxNewsSucks]

58. I want Harris for AG,

for as many terms as it takes to put every one of these scumbag pieces of shit behind bars.

[BusyBeingBest]

5. Amy K is a smart, experienced, down-to-earth and competent figure--

I think that would play well against Trump. But I can't help but feel that if anyone is a true match for that asshole, it's Bloomberg.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

6. Yup! Heart - Warren. Head - Bloomberg.

[sagetea]

53. me too

My heart of hearts - Warren, Pete, Amy

My comfort - Biden

My head - Bloomberg

sage

[renate]

64. that's exactly how I feel nt

[tinrobot]

73. That's about where I'm at... just trying to move past my heart.

I realized last week that there's exactly one goal for this election - retiring as many Republicans as possible, starting at the top. On that goal alone, Bloomberg is very strong.

Environment, healthcare, election reform, and all the other issues we care about must take a back seat this time out. None of that happens until we take office.

[AllyCat]

8. Heart: Pete, Warren, Biden, Sanders, Klobuchar

Head: Bloomberg

I agree that we have to stop playing by the rules and take this MFer out of the WH and preferably, into jail.

Our candidates are good. But good isn't going to fix it this time IMHO. I have trashed Mike in many forums, but even my black friends (real and web) are backing him more often than not. As part of my unpacking, I feel I need to listen to them.

[calguy]

13. There are things about Mike I don't particularly like either

but those things are small compare the one most important thing. He can and will beat trump's ass. That's ALL O care about.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

85. SAME HERE!!!!!

[patricia92243]

32. Pete definitely heart. I love him, gave many times to his campaign,

and bought his coffee cups, etc. But, I came to the sad conclusion that he cannot win, AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY, because older POC have not yet reached the point of knowing and accepting his being gay. In time, they will, but not today.

[murielm99]

47. I am with you.

And I have been for Mayor Pete all the way.

I hope there is a place for Pete in the coming Democratic administration, and far into the future.

[calguy]

9. I'm thinking he might want to be a one term president

He may be running out of a sense of duty to save the country. Looked at the field of Dem candidates, didn't, in his estimation, see anyone who had what it takes to defeat trump. Whether or not that's true is beside the point, it's what he himself saw. He figures he is one of the few with the resources to take trump head on. If he really wanted to be president he would have gotten in much sooner.
If he wins I wouldn't be surprised to see him serve one honorable term to heal and repair some if trump's damage, then get out and let the system tight itself without trump around. Trump might actually end up in prison if a Pres Bloomberg decided to go after his criminal ass.

[patricia92243]

42. I just assumed he would be one-term. He is no spring chicken.

His successor would not have to face the crisis in America's history that we are facing now.

[calguy]

51. Agree

I'm thinking he feels like it's the one last good thing he can do for society.

[mopinko]

59. his spokesman said the other day that it was his goal to bounce the check to the undertaker.

i thought that was a pretty great attitude.

[mr_lebowski]

78. Definitely ... I almost believe him when he says he plans to give all his money away ...

So far he's given away over $8B per his Wiki. Good start.

[Mike 03]

10. Yesterday I wrote to his campaign and thanked him.

I called this "the greatest act of philanthropy in human history."

Because I'm right with you: I see exactly what he's doing.

[MFGsunny]

20. + 1000 n/t

[cynatnite]

11. He spent $100 million in 2018 to help house Dems. n/t

[Cuthbert Allgood]

12. Not enough for me to get past the racism and sexism.

Oh, and that he was a Republican.

[DrToast]

19. " Oh, and that he was a Republican."

I have some news about the candidate you are supporting. You might want to sit down.

[Happyhippychick]

24. This

[Cuthbert Allgood]

33. Did she hold politcal office as a Republican and I missed it?

Did she support Bush at the RNC?

[tinrobot]

74. In a normal election, I'd agree. But times of crisis create strange allies.

There is only one goal this election - defeat Trumpism.

Bloomberg is on our side on that issue.

[Amishman]

14. I recall the Rs saying the same thing about Trump in 2016

I don't believe it.

You don't amass the wealth and power Bloomberg has without being a vision driven person. He doesn't just want to remove Trump - he has a plan for what he wants to change.

Given his wealth and history, and the recentness of his political 180 on some issues, I am very suspicious of his motives

[Blue_true]

94. I Bloomberg wins the Presidency, he can't change ANYTHING unless democrats go along

with it. That is why we need to focus on increasing our advantage in the House and retaking the Senate. Bloomberg gives us a good shot at doing both, with the upside that we will have people in Washington to keep him honest.

[aikoaiko]

16. I don't know if hating Trump is enough to win the GE

People like Trump because people like Bloomberg hate him.

[democrattotheend]

17. I don't think Trump cared if he won when he first started running

IMO he got in it for the business exposure and because he loves attention. Apparently he was pretty shocked when he won.

[Act_of_Reparation]

18. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

There's a cost to electing Bloomberg. One that I would argue is higher than with the other candidates.

[BusyBeingBest]

21. The danger with Bloomberg is him turning into another dictator.

A dictator for our side still isn't cool. Not sure how he'd do when Congress asserts its powers.

[aikoaiko]

30. Agreed. He wants what he wants and uses money to get it.

[Docreed2003]

27. Exactly

He's not running just "out of the goodness of his heart". What price are we willing to pay as a party to back him?

[MH1]

45. The highest possible cost will be failure to oust Trump.

As much as I dislike some things about Bloomberg, I don't see anything that rises to the level of existential crisis that we have with Trump.

I will disagree with Bloomberg on policy. But Trump is a professional troll and conman, who happens to be very talented at these roles. (people didn't believe me in 2016, grrr. I so hoped I was wrong.)

[Act_of_Reparation]

79. There's no reason to suspect Bloomberg is more electable than the other candidates.

And almost any of the other candidates would be less costly to our party and the Republic than Michael Bloomberg.

[BlueIdaho]

22. I want to see him in some debates...

But it occurred to me yesterday that he is running the un-campaign campaign. He’s holding events across the country and his media outreach is beyond compare. Instead of worrying about a few inconsequential early primaries, he’s building a nation profile and outperforming at least half the democratic field in the process. He’s also disrupting Trump and boy do I like that.

Now he needs delegates, so it’s time for a ground game which he has been quietly setting up - everywhere. It takes a ton of cash - to pull this off, but we may be seeing the first real 21st century presidential campaign. Time will tell...

[katmondoo]

29. Bloomberg is fighting fire with fire, I like that.

I just hope he can turn this into a Huge Democratic win. He said he will support the nominee.

[BlueIdaho]

36. I like that too...

He has plenty of cash and understands the existential threat of Trump. Win lose or draw in the Democratic primaries - he will be a big help this fall.

[wryter2000]

28. I think he's going to beat Trump

One way or another.

[Kaleva]

31. Yes!

[bucolic_frolic]

34. If someone can right the ship, we can fix it

So yes first priorities first

[brewens]

38. He might be really looking out for himself, but that will just mean he's a smart billionaire.

The reason some are taught to make believe Teddy Roosevelt was a liberal, is because of some of the progressive reforms he was in favor of. They have correspondence between him and a couple big shots telling them it's in the interest of saving capitalism from the socialist movements. He was afraid the torches and pitchforks might come out and take them down if they didn't give in a little.

I suppose if the best we get is a few bones tossed our way to make it look good, as has always been the case, it will at least stop Trumps rampage.

[MH1]

48. Stopping Trump's rampage that never should have started.

We were SO close in 2016. (imagine the options we would be facing, if not 2020, at least in 2024, if this debacle had never happened.)

Let's not fuck it up again.

[Fresh_Start]

39. he is a man on a mission.. single focus... beat trump

voters who want democrats to get their head out of their ass, will vote for him

[Laelth]

41. He IS NOT the Great Pumpkin.

Truly, that's enough for me.



-Laelth

[cwydro]

43. This!

[denem]

61. Life and Death - Gun Violence, Climate Change, the Republic itself.

'Vote Blue No Matter Who' includes Bloomberg eom.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

44. LMAO that anyone thinks he doesn't want to be president.

[jcgoldie]

46. Nonsense

Ill vote for democrats.

[relayerbob]

49. IIRC, In Plato's Republic

The leader should be the one who doesn't want the job, and isn't interested in enriching himself through leadership. All others' are disqualified. It's been a long time since I read it, but that's how I remember it

[Hela]

56. I really, really, REALLY want...

Kamala Harris as the new AG in ANY democratic administration. I'd like to see her go after all the Repub liars, cheaters, and thieves.

[Squinch]

69. I want Preet. HE has a bone to pick with them. Kamala for VP,

and presumptive heir.

[Hela]

88. Oooh, I didn't think of Preet.

Yeah, that'd be alright too.

[Blue_true]

95. Plus Preet does not have to give up an elective office seat.

And he understands the federal judicial system, so there will be no learning curve.

[progressoid]

57. NO! Trump also didn't give a shit whether he won or not either!

It was just an enormous publicity stunt for him. In fact, from all accounts, he expected to lose.

[luvtheGWN]

66. Bloomberg would be the first Jewish President.

He doesn't need the publicity; that's not why he's running. I think he's terrified to see the ruination of the Republic. He knows what happened when Putin took control of Russia and he has said Trump is Putin's puppet. He also knows all too well what happened when Hitler became German Chancellor, and he knows Trump is following Hitler's path to ultimate power.

If Bloomberg manages to corner the black and Jewish democratic votes, and if he manages (and I think he will) to convince his fellow 1 percenters that their wealth and their future look very bleak if Trump is re-elected, then he will win.

[mopinko]

67. well, he expected to win something. it just wasnt the wh so much, tho he had dreamt of that

for years. if he lost, it still added millions to his brand. it was a win-win to him. but his ego wanted it badly.
not a valid example.

[knightmaar]

60. Sorry, but God No.

That's no reason to elect someone

How many times have the Trumpers told us that "He doesn't need this job"

No. No. No.

[Blue_true]

96. We elect Bloomberg to get rid of Trump.

Any way it is cut, that is a leap forward.

[LakeArenal]

63. "Doesn't care if he gets the job or not"

Like hell he doesn’t care.
Bloomberg could spend his billions supporting a candidate that has followed the rules to get into this race.

You don’t have to be president to buy elections.

See: Kochs and Putin.

[customerserviceguy]

65. That's an illusion

Rich people don't get (or stay) rich by making careless decisions with their money. Bloomie's people have brought him hard data that Joe Biden could collapse, and lo and behold, they clearly did their homework. Bloomie's not going to spend a buttload of money on this just to walk away from it (and keep the spigot on) if he doesn't get all the marbles.

I lived in the NYC media market for over a decade, and I've seen him con his way into just about anything he wants.

[LanternWaste]

68. I'll vote for Biden if he's our nominee. I'll vote against trump if Bloomberg is.

Better the devil you know, eh?

Better though, to avoid the devils altogether.

[Blue_true]

97. That is about how I see it.

In the General, I will vote FOR a nominee that I really like and vote AGAINST Trump if we nominate someone that I have concerns with.

[Amimnoch]

70. I think it would make him the 2nd. Behind Washington.

The only non-party affiliated President ever. From what I've seen on documentaries he wasn't the most willing or enthusiastic about being the first president.

[Dr Rise]

72. He doesn't have to run for president to get him out of office.

No black people will vote for him.

[mopinko]

80. i'm seeing quite a few black surrogates. gregory meeks today.

philly mayor mike nutter. we shall see.

[Blue_true]

98. I expected Nutter to support Bloomberg. My guess is Corey Booker is silently in his corner.

Any big city Mayor that dealt with guns on their streets and senseless murders will likely back Bloomberg, they know what it's like, hot air blowers like Charles Blow have no idea of what it takes to deal with gun violence that kills innocent people and terrorizes others.

[cp]

75. Still very wary of anyone buying the presidency

How do we know he won't want to be dictator?

[Skya Rhen]

90. The senate just recently lay the ground work /precedence for him to be dictator if he so chooses.

[AtheistCrusader]

76. He's certainly imperfect.

Fatally so, if the election were under normal circumstances.

We do not live in normal times right now.

[whathehell]

77. He's had 40 Sexual Harassment/Discrimination lawsuits filed against him

and his company. He's accused, not only of personally harassing his female employees, but of "fostering a company culture that degraded women -- The atmosphere was toxic and harassing".

https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-built-a-toxic-sexually-charged-nightmare-for-women-2019-11

https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-built-a-toxic-sexually-charged-nightmare-for-women-2019-11

https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-built-a-toxic-sexually-charged-nightmare-for-women-2019-11

[Blue_true]

99. The 80s and early 90s were not times of awareness.

Female office workers were often treated like pieces of meat if they were remotely attractive. People learn, change and move forward.

[kcr]

81. "Why do we do it? Because that's where all the crime is."

“One of the unintended consequences is, people say, ‘Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana, they’re all minorities.’ Yes, that’s true. Why? Because put all the cops in minority neighborhoods. Yes, that’s true. Why do we do it? Because that’s where all the crime is.”

From his speech at the Aspen Institute in 2015

[mopinko]

82. i cant defend that. i will say, he has black electeds defending it, and

i dont think he is any different here from most big city mayors on this. they were left to mop up the blood of the war and drugs, and people wanted their heads.

[kcr]

89. He spent millions backing Rick Snyder.

I grew up in Flint. I'm sorry. I don't care who it is. I don't get supporting this man. He isn't one of us. There's no reason for it. Please reconsider. If he somehow does get the nomination, there will be a whole lot of heartbreak and regret. It isn't worth it.

[mopinko]

91. um. i'm not voting for him in the primary.

if warren is still in it, i will vote for her. otherwise hoping for amy.

i dont really care who he has given money to, esp minimal amounts.
if he is the candidate, i will be happy to work for him.

[kcr]

93. Your OP gave the impression you were considering it.

Minimal amounts? He gives millions to these terrible people. Millions of dollars. And I think you are absolutely wrong that he doesn't care if he wins. He wouldn't be spending the huge amounts of money he's spending if he didn't care. He is using our desperation to get rid of Trump against us. He wants to be President. It's the ultimate goal for him. He's already gotten pretty much everything else he can possibly attain in life. He's extremely powerful and influential. Now he wants the ultimate prize in prestige and power and will do anything to get it the same way he always has.

[andym]

84. Of the candidates I think 2 would make sure that Trump was prosecuted after leaving office

for the numerous crimes he has likely committed.
The first: Warren, because she has said so.
The second: Bloomberg, because he is the tough on crime type that would make an example of an ex-President.

[Scotch-Irish]

86. You think he doesn't give a shit whether he gets the job or not?

No, I don't think so. Bloomberg is a billionaire because he is competitive as hell. He's a FORMER REPUBLICAN. We don't need someone who is so far to the right that they would EVER have been a republican.

[mopinko]

87. tell me about all the far right positions/actions that he has taken.

actions. besides stop and frisk, lay it out for me.

he ran as a thug to get in the primary and take out rudy. there was a swarm of dems, and rudy. he took rudy out. other than that, mostly what i know about him is that he is a liberal.

[Doremus]

92. Maybe. Or maybe he'll like it so much he'll demand more terms like he did in NY.

The guy's another authoritarian. Just what we DON'T need.