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brooklynite

(94,490 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:44 PM Feb 2020

Joe Biden did this to himself. And to the rest of us.

Washington Post

After a fourth-place finish in Iowa and a fifth-place finish in New Hampshire, it’s time to take a good, hard look at former vice president Joe Biden, the once-dominant, now-floundering Democratic “front-runner.” Not to get too technical about it, but I would like to postulate that the Democratic front-runner should be, you know, in front.

A fourth- and fifth-place finish does not in any way constitute being in front. Yes: To run on electability, one should demonstrate the ability to be elected. That’s a trope that’s illustrated by — and stick with me here — winning elections. And perhaps the guy who ran for president three previous times but never placed better than fourth was an odd choice to make the case for electability in the first place.

...snip...

Biden has distorted the whole 2020 primary cycle: He sat on the top of the polls as the default front-runner for months, and in the process, he sucked up endorsements (five senators, more than two dozen House members, state-level elected officials all over the place) and cash (though perhaps not enough of it) that could have gone to other candidates who, instead, wound up having to drop out for lack of money and establishment support. And then he lost the first two elections. It’s only since his front-runner status started to slip that other centrist candidates have had much of a chance. The promise of Biden’s electability kept former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg from entering the race until November, and as New York magazine put it, “almost single-handedly stunted the growth of every other center-left alternative.” Biden took up the space that could have been occupied by an Amy Klobuchar or a Pete Buttigieg or a Cory Booker or a Kamala D. Harris, well before Bernie Sanders set off a panic among party insiders by winning the early contests.

It did, in fairness, almost seem like it could work. For a while, it looked like being chosen by Barack Obama might be enough for Biden to squeak by while Sanders and Elizabeth Warren engaged in mutual progressive destruction. He could coast on his eight years of being a completely fine vice president, an almost-incumbent.

But he wasn’t doing what needed to be done in a modern campaign. He didn’t go on Rachel Maddow, and he didn’t do selfie lines or Periscope or any of the other stuff that all the other modern candidates did. Biden is not, to put it mildly, a digital native. And even when the punditry class believed that he would win the hearts of white working-class men in diners, even then, Biden had trouble raising money because he just isn’t that good at this, and old clips show he has never been very good at this.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Joe Biden did this to himself. And to the rest of us. (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2020 OP
The important thing about being a front-runner VMA131Marine Feb 2020 #1
I think this is what distorted the race - OhZone Feb 2020 #2
++++, yes to that, too! R B Garr Feb 2020 #6
Isn't there current news that Barr is accepting Guiliani's manufactured slop on Biden? R B Garr Feb 2020 #3
This! OhZone Feb 2020 #7
I think the smearing campaign may have artificially boosted support for Biden Dem2 Feb 2020 #9
I thought that Biden's support went up, too, but then started seeing the R B Garr Feb 2020 #12
NH voter here. I didn't make up my mind until the last second Dem2 Feb 2020 #13
Yes, Amy is solid. R B Garr Feb 2020 #14
I can't tell you exactly why I don't "feel" it for Joe Dem2 Feb 2020 #15
Whitewater was also manufactured nonsense. StevieM Feb 2020 #11
Tough to objectively measure the average speed only seven feet into a 20k marathon LanternWaste Feb 2020 #4
This too! OhZone Feb 2020 #8
I just didn't have the heart to post that article... Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #10
I do blame Biden... brooklynite Feb 2020 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #22
This. Only I knew it wouldn't work. krissey Feb 2020 #16
"the guy who ran for president three previous times" jberryhill Feb 2020 #18
This is easily the best he's ever done, but he's just not presidential candidate material. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #19
I wanted Joe right at the beginning. The first debate changed my mind. cwydro Feb 2020 #20
You know why this is total garbage.. The right has been hell bent to do to Joe Peacetrain Feb 2020 #21
 

VMA131Marine

(4,137 posts)
1. The important thing about being a front-runner
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:49 PM
Feb 2020

is not to act like it.

As much as I like Joe, he did not learn an essential lesson from Barack Obama, who campaigned like he was well-behind even when he was winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
2. I think this is what distorted the race -
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
6. ++++, yes to that, too!
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020

Thank you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
3. Isn't there current news that Barr is accepting Guiliani's manufactured slop on Biden?
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

Wasn't Trump just impeached for smearing Biden by trying to manufacture slop on him?

Biden certainly hasn't done that to himself.

Also, I heard on MSNBC that some GOP operatives are descending upon South Bend. Whatever could that be about...? Reminds me of the Clinton Arkansas Project, when the state was combed for slop on Clinton, but in Biden's case, we know that they wanted to completely manufacture it.

Looks like Biden got more than a little Swiftboated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
9. I think the smearing campaign may have artificially boosted support for Biden
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:57 PM
Feb 2020

Biden was already kind of faltering when the Ukraine story broke. I joked at the time that the idiot was going to get impeached over a candidate who was already showing signs that he wasn't going to win the nomination. I'm guessing you'll disagree, just thought I'd share my perspective from a voter who was more than eager to support Biden and leaned his way in part due to sympathizing with the situation he was in.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
12. I thought that Biden's support went up, too, but then started seeing the
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

New Hampshire voters all claiming they didn't make up their minds until the last minute. I guess that's partly why Iowa and New Hampshire, two small largely white states don't show the whole picture.

edit: about faltering before Ukraine, I understood that Biden was committed to not attacking other Democrats, so it kind of goes with the territory that a candidate might not appear as tough, but in this case he didn't want to attack his own party.

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Dem2

(8,168 posts)
13. NH voter here. I didn't make up my mind until the last second
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:05 PM
Feb 2020

I ended up voting for Amy and still feel good about my choice even knowing her chance of getting the nomination is exceedingly small.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
14. Yes, Amy is solid.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:07 PM
Feb 2020

btw, I just added a comment about Biden's supposed fade before Ukraine, and I saw it that his commitment not to attack other Democrats might make him appear more measured.

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Dem2

(8,168 posts)
15. I can't tell you exactly why I don't "feel" it for Joe
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020

Some of the comments "tired" "disinterested" "seems old" I heard from my mother (who is closer to his age) are the best I can come up with. Maybe a "fear of flubbing"? It seems he has played things too safely, making some wonder if his troubles making spontaneous statements without launching on the wrong word are concerning to him and/or his campaign? This isn't the 1st time he's faded in an presidential campaign - maybe he's just not destined to be president?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
11. Whitewater was also manufactured nonsense.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:01 PM
Feb 2020

Ditto for the absurd talk about cattle futures.

The Republicans are all about swift boating.

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Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
4. Tough to objectively measure the average speed only seven feet into a 20k marathon
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020

But I get the optics and comfort doing so provides in the short-term.

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Joe Biden
 

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
5. I just didn't have the heart to post that article...
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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brooklynite

(94,490 posts)
17. I do blame Biden...
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:21 PM
Feb 2020

Ultimately, he's responsible for how he campaigns and how his campaign staff operates. And someone with his experience should have know that Trump would weaponize Hunter and prepared for it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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krissey

(1,205 posts)
16. This. Only I knew it wouldn't work.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:18 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. "the guy who ran for president three previous times"
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:25 PM
Feb 2020

I think that's a point that sometimes gets lost in the noise.

IMHO, not many people were very familiar with Joe Biden until he became Barack Obama's VP. It takes one vote to become VP - the single vote of the ultimately winning nominee.

Being from Delaware, I've known and liked Joe Biden since he was on the New Castle County Council. We kept his signs in the basement, and duly planted them in the yard every time he ran.

In 1988, when Delaware had a caucus system, I was the last remaining person sitting at the Joe Biden table at the Shue-Medill Middle School in my district, listening to the Dukakis people explain to me that since everyone else had left my table, then I didn't meet the threshold for assigning any delegates. I thought it was just ridiculous that Delaware, a state with very little influence in the first place, couldn't muster enough support for OUR OWN SENATOR who was running for president.

The ONLY time in my life that I ever voted for someone else on a ballot against Joe Biden was when I voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 primary.

Joe is great at retail politics. Delaware is a small state, and he is fantastic at connecting with individuals and networking with community leaders to build support.

But, yeah, he's run for president a couple of times. It's not as if he's a different person.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
19. This is easily the best he's ever done, but he's just not presidential candidate material.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:47 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. I wanted Joe right at the beginning. The first debate changed my mind.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:52 PM
Feb 2020

A good friend of mine stayed with him until recently.

She was troubled by the fact that every time she saw him talking to groups, he always seemed to have note cards in his hands. She said she realized then he’d never be able to take on the orange idiot.

I think he’s looked terribly tired for some time now. I like the man, but I found myself thinking of him as I did my father when he started to falter in his later years. And that’s not a man who should be president.

I think a lot of people changed their minds as they watched him on the trail. The endless gaffes, the odd insults and peevish behavior...it was just too much. If he had become the nominee, I just couldn’t imagine him dealing with the pressures of the GE.

No one else did this to him, though I think he perhaps could have had better advisors. I wish him only the best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,874 posts)
21. You know why this is total garbage.. The right has been hell bent to do to Joe
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:53 PM
Feb 2020

what they did to Hillary.

Its one thing to have differences over policies..its a whole other bag of potatoes to try and muddy him because he has basically been the one standing alone against the right wing destruction campaign.

Not to worry.. its headed your way if your choice gets the nod.

Be interesting how you will feel about people posting these kinds of articles non stop.

bookmarking just in case

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