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George II

(67,782 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:54 PM Feb 2020

AOC'S SPEECH SNUB, ICE REMARKS RANKLE BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN

(Note, Vanity Fair uses all caps in their headlines)

AOC’s people were said to be unhappy at being called on the carpet and expressed concern over Sanders’s Joe Rogan embrace—but now AOC is back on the stump in New Hampshire.

With Bernie Sanders largely sequestered in Washington, D.C., at the end of last month ahead of the critical Iowa caucuses, the Vermont senator’s campaign deployed what is arguably its greatest weapon: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And traversing the state, Ocasio-Cortez delivered, drawing massive crowds and pushing the message of progressive populism and younger voters that underlies Sanders' campaign. Ocasio-Cortez’s celebrity is bigger than politics, delivering a wattage that few campaign surrogates can match. She’s the moment’s definitive leader of youth and the left, often mentioned as a possible candidate for the Senate, or even the presidency in 2024. Ocasio-Cortez has undeniably been a boon to the Sanders campaign—she endorsed him in October, as he recovered from his heart attack, which was crucial to him regaining his momentum. But Ocasio-Cortez’s star power and independence make her a wild card. In Iowa, while AOC didn’t exactly go rogue, her performance stoked some tensions between herself and the Sanders campaign.

Following Ocasio-Cortez’s three-day stint, Sanders’s campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, texted AOC’s campaign manager to express his dissatisfaction with aspects of her performance, according to a source familiar with the exchange. Specifically, the Sanders campaign was miffed that Ocasio-Cortez didn’t mention Sanders by name when she closed out a campaign event at the University of Iowa on a Friday night at the end of last month—a fact that Fox News picked up on. (The Sanders campaign noted that this was one of the first campaign events Ocasio-Cortez did without Sanders, who she typically would introduce at the end of her remarks but he was in Washington, D.C. for the impeachment trial. Any reminder to mention the Senator was “good natured ribbing,” according to the campaign.)

Ocasio-Cortez’s comments about the abolition of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol were also seen by some within the Sanders campaign as going too far, straying from Sanders’s stance on the issues in encouraging people not to cooperate with law enforcement agencies, according to this source. During an event in Ames, Iowa, Ocasio-Cortez told the crowd, “Organizing is about tipping people off if you start to see that ICE and CBP are in communities to try and keep people safe.” She continued, “I’m not here to reform some of these systems when we talk about immigration. I’m here because Senator Sanders has actually committed to breaking up ICE and CBP. That’s why I’m here.” (Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign declined to comment.)

Abolishing ICE is a major platform plank for AOC and a number of other progressive figures—including Congresswomen Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, who have also endorsed Sanders. In the past, Sanders has been for stricter immigration laws than those supported by some of his progressive colleagues, though he’s tacked left more recently. He has previously drawn criticism for comments about “open borders.” His ambitious immigration plan now calls for the breakup of CBP and ICE and for the agencies’ current functions to be delegated to other federal agencies, including the State and Treasury departments, as well as the full demilitarization of the southern border. But immigration can be a hot button in states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan where Democrats have to win, and some felt that AOC had gone off script. (The Sanders campaign said Ocasio-Cortez was not off message and how she talks about these issues is how Senator Sanders talks about these issues.)


Trouble in Paradise?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/aoc-bernie-sanders-campaign-iowa

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AOC'S SPEECH SNUB, ICE REMARKS RANKLE BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN (Original Post) George II Feb 2020 OP
LOL. DanTex Feb 2020 #1
I thought ALL CAPSEZ BAD regardless of source formatting. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #2
Oh mys eyeses! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #6
Posting paywalled articles is also very very bad melman Feb 2020 #7
Nobody said that "last night". If they did I'm sure you'd post it, right? Besides..... George II Feb 2020 #8
Yes they did melman Feb 2020 #9
Too funny. "no they didn't" and "no it isn't". Just because you say it? George II Feb 2020 #10
No paywall. Clicked and accessed it easily. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #22
Are you using your own home computer? I know when I use computers in hotel lobbies.... George II Feb 2020 #24
Yes, it's my own home computer. I'm not at an "Internet Cafe" or Starbucks. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #25
I don't have a subscription radical noodle Feb 2020 #35
That's odd. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #12
I've read several in the last week or so, I don't even get a popup saying "You have X free articles" George II Feb 2020 #13
You know what's odd is how you don't seem to see that your question acknowledges the pay wall melman Feb 2020 #14
There might be a pay wall after viewing a certain number of articles. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #23
I don't have a subscription, and I can see it just fine. ehrnst Feb 2020 #19
That's one way to deal with an article that ehrnst Feb 2020 #20
Anyone who saw her speech and introduction at the big NH rally/concert Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #3
I posted the first four paragraphs in accordance with the guidelines. George II Feb 2020 #5
Perhaps she got an email ehrnst Feb 2020 #26
Best weapon Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #4
Indeed. ehrnst Feb 2020 #21
omg Cha Feb 2020 #11
"Trouble in Paradise?" melman Feb 2020 #15
It's not behind a paywall, "OMG". If you note, the excerpt is highlighted using.... George II Feb 2020 #17
What "paywall?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #18
Alrighty then... ehrnst Feb 2020 #16
+1 lock step is what republicans do. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #27
Yes. See also "horseshoe effect." ehrnst Feb 2020 #28
Interesting. i'd never heard of it. Quick google seems its a bit controversial Kurt V. Feb 2020 #30
I think that there are those on the far left and the far right ehrnst Feb 2020 #31
i suppose but how far left do you mean? in Chomsky's left there is no alpha anything. no hierarchy Kurt V. Feb 2020 #32
There is a lot more to the "far left" than Chomsky. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #33
yep. it was just an example Kurt V. Feb 2020 #34
And, then they did. Cha Feb 2020 #29
 

Voltaire2

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2. I thought ALL CAPSEZ BAD regardless of source formatting.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:59 PM
Feb 2020

Consider edit or deletion.

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melman

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7. Posting paywalled articles is also very very bad
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020

At least it was last night. But I guess things have changed.

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George II

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8. Nobody said that "last night". If they did I'm sure you'd post it, right? Besides.....
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:48 PM
Feb 2020

....this article is NOT behind a paywall.

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melman

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9. Yes they did
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:51 PM
Feb 2020

and yes it is.

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George II

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10. Too funny. "no they didn't" and "no it isn't". Just because you say it?
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:55 PM
Feb 2020
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NurseJackie

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22. No paywall. Clicked and accessed it easily.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:07 PM
Feb 2020

There was a banner that invited me to subscribe, but it wasn't a blackout page telling me to pay-up or telling me to turn off my ad-blocking software.

I must be leading a charmed life. Or, I'm smart enough to know the difference between an invitation to subscribe and a "go away until you pay-up" banner.

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George II

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24. Are you using your own home computer? I know when I use computers in hotel lobbies....
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:24 PM
Feb 2020

....or Best Buy stores internet access to certain websites is restricted.

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NurseJackie

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25. Yes, it's my own home computer. I'm not at an "Internet Cafe" or Starbucks.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:26 PM
Feb 2020

That's probably it. I believe you're correct that some public computers (libraries, etc) and "free public wifi" (from McDonalds or coffee shops or Walmart) will restrict access.

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radical noodle

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35. I don't have a subscription
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:08 PM
Feb 2020

and I was able to read it. Yes, they asked if I would subscribe but I ignored that.

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TexasTowelie

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12. That's odd.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:28 PM
Feb 2020

I didn't encounter a paywall when I clicked on the link. Have you clicked on other Vanity Fair articles recently such that you are no longer receiving free access?

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George II

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13. I've read several in the last week or so, I don't even get a popup saying "You have X free articles"
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020
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melman

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14. You know what's odd is how you don't seem to see that your question acknowledges the pay wall
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:37 PM
Feb 2020
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TexasTowelie

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23. There might be a pay wall after viewing a certain number of articles.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:13 PM
Feb 2020

That's typical for most media sites since they want people to subscribe to their sites. I was able to click and read the entire article though.

There are even ways to read articles on some Web sites that have pay walls depending how savvy the Webmaster is and if the reader is savvy about their Web browser(s). I use six different Web browsers myself since some of the applications and sites that I visit are not compatible with every browser.

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ehrnst

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19. I don't have a subscription, and I can see it just fine.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:02 PM
Feb 2020

Maybe "paywalled" doesn't mean what you think it does?

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ehrnst

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20. That's one way to deal with an article that
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:04 PM
Feb 2020

makes one sad.

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Cal Carpenter

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3. Anyone who saw her speech and introduction at the big NH rally/concert
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:01 PM
Feb 2020

knows that whatever kerfuffle did or didn't happen, they're over it.

As the article you posted made clear in the part you didn't include in your OP:

"But any tensions seem to have been soothed in time for New Hampshire. On Monday night, she headlined a campaign rally with the Strokes in New Hampshire on the eve of the first in the country primary."

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George II

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5. I posted the first four paragraphs in accordance with the guidelines.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:10 PM
Feb 2020
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ehrnst

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26. Perhaps she got an email
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

reminding her of to whom she owes her political career.

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Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
4. Best weapon
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

She might want to worry about her job.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
15. "Trouble in Paradise?"
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

Does this part come from you or from VF? I really need to know and I really can't tell because OMG PAY WALL.

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George II

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17. It's not behind a paywall, "OMG". If you note, the excerpt is highlighted using....
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:49 PM
Feb 2020

....the "excerpt function" conveniently provided by DU's software, like most people do.

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ehrnst

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18. What "paywall?"
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:50 PM
Feb 2020


But here ya go:

With Bernie Sanders largely sequestered in Washington, D.C., at the end of last month ahead of the critical Iowa caucuses, the Vermont senator’s campaign deployed what is arguably its greatest weapon: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And traversing the state, Ocasio-Cortez delivered, drawing massive crowds and pushing the message of progressive populism and younger voters that underlies Sanders' campaign. Ocasio-Cortez’s celebrity is bigger than politics, delivering a wattage that few campaign surrogates can match. She’s the moment’s definitive leader of youth and the left, often mentioned as a possible candidate for the Senate, or even the presidency in 2024. Ocasio-Cortez has undeniably been a boon to the Sanders campaign—she endorsed him in October, as he recovered from his heart attack, which was crucial to him regaining his momentum. But Ocasio-Cortez’s star power and independence make her a wild card. In Iowa, while AOC didn’t exactly go rogue, her performance stoked some tensions between herself and the Sanders campaign.

Following Ocasio-Cortez’s three-day stint, Sanders’s campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, texted AOC’s campaign manager to express his dissatisfaction with aspects of her performance, according to a source familiar with the exchange. Specifically, the Sanders campaign was miffed that Ocasio-Cortez didn’t mention Sanders by name when she closed out a campaign event at the University of Iowa on a Friday night at the end of last month—a fact that Fox News picked up on. (The Sanders campaign noted that this was one of the first campaign events Ocasio-Cortez did without Sanders, who she typically would introduce at the end of her remarks but he was in Washington, D.C. for the impeachment trial. Any reminder to mention the Senator was “good natured ribbing,” according to the campaign.)

Ocasio-Cortez’s comments about the abolition of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol were also seen by some within the Sanders campaign as going too far, straying from Sanders’s stance on the issues in encouraging people not to cooperate with law enforcement agencies, according to this source. During an event in Ames, Iowa, Ocasio-Cortez told the crowd, “Organizing is about tipping people off if you start to see that ICE and CBP are in communities to try and keep people safe.” She continued, “I’m not here to reform some of these systems when we talk about immigration. I’m here because Senator Sanders has actually committed to breaking up ICE and CBP. That’s why I’m here.” (Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign declined to comment.)

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
16. Alrighty then...
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:48 PM
Feb 2020

Someone didn't get the memo to walk lockstep with the talking points, or maybe decided that they could have their own view...

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Kurt V.

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27. +1 lock step is what republicans do.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020
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ehrnst

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28. Yes. See also "horseshoe effect."
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:44 PM
Feb 2020
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Kurt V.

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30. Interesting. i'd never heard of it. Quick google seems its a bit controversial
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:50 PM
Feb 2020
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ehrnst

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31. I think that there are those on the far left and the far right
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:53 PM
Feb 2020

who seek similar things in leaders.

Strong alpha male who will vanquish those who are a threat, and in return requires absolute fealty, and banishing those who dissent as "heretics."

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Kurt V.

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32. i suppose but how far left do you mean? in Chomsky's left there is no alpha anything. no hierarchy
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:00 PM
Feb 2020
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ehrnst

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33. There is a lot more to the "far left" than Chomsky. (nt)
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:02 PM
Feb 2020
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Kurt V.

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34. yep. it was just an example
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:05 PM
Feb 2020
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Cha

(296,893 posts)
29. And, then they did.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:45 PM
Feb 2020
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