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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:29 PM

 

Bernie and his Supporters are Ruthless

It's true. The will do anything to win. Fight, battle, destroy and yes, even hurt the feelings of pundits and other critics.

They will even be even much more worse against trumpy and their well reimbursed media supporters.

They will hound them until they reach the gates of hell itself. Because surely those who dare put babies in cages, will go to the fires of hell if they do actually exist.

And after President Sanders is inaugurated, they will demand justice.

They will hunt down and prosecute those who enabled Putin and his gop lackeys to destroy our election where the votes clearly wanted our President to be Hillary Clinton, instead of the madman that resides in the White House today.

Then they will lead the battle to reach the dream of Dems since Roosevelt; Universal Healthcare.

Bernie and his supporters will then lead fights to ensure Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are protected and benefits increased.

I could go on and on about how a Sanders administration will change our world. The world of the citizen. Not the billionaires.

But, why should I bother when so many others make the case for why Bernie will win the Primary after a tough battle to protect and follow the soul of the Democratic Party. And when many will make the same case when Bernie wins an easy General Election.
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JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 OP
rzemanfl Feb 2020 #1
W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #2
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #5
squirecam Feb 2020 #3
jr1118x Feb 2020 #33
Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #41
DanieRains Feb 2020 #44
Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #58
ehrnst Feb 2020 #50
katmondoo Feb 2020 #51
AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #4
alittlelark Feb 2020 #6
lutherj Feb 2020 #7
rzemanfl Feb 2020 #10
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #13
Blue_true Feb 2020 #18
lutherj Feb 2020 #25
Blue_true Feb 2020 #28
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #37
lutherj Feb 2020 #24
chillfactor Feb 2020 #31
lutherj Feb 2020 #34
BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #54
greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #14
lutherj Feb 2020 #23
greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #35
lutherj Feb 2020 #38
jmg257 Feb 2020 #8
beastie boy Feb 2020 #9
denem Feb 2020 #11
JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #12
denem Feb 2020 #20
gopiscrap Feb 2020 #15
Blue_true Feb 2020 #16
frazzled Feb 2020 #17
JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #21
frazzled Feb 2020 #29
DanieRains Feb 2020 #45
redqueen Feb 2020 #47
TomCADem Feb 2020 #19
sheshe2 Feb 2020 #32
greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #36
Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #40
TomCADem Feb 2020 #48
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #22
myohmy2 Feb 2020 #26
krissey Feb 2020 #27
AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #30
EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #39
greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #42
AverageJoe Feb 2020 #43
DanieRains Feb 2020 #46
jr1118x Feb 2020 #53
ehrnst Feb 2020 #49
awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #52
Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #56
Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #55
MH1 Feb 2020 #57

Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:32 PM

1. Uh huh. n/t

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:33 PM

2. LOL

 

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:42 PM

5. Beat me to it.

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:40 PM

3. I would rather the Democratic party

 

Not be associated with any army of trolls and doxxers.
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Response to squirecam (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:18 PM

33. Really? You want his loyal base to leave?

 

So you want him and his loyal base to leave when he he has the highest ratings of favorable opinion of him. Hes at a 74% favorable, Amy is at what 44% favorable opinion. https://morningconsult.com/2020-democrat in poll after poll he leads in people having the most favorable view of him over any of the others.

Yes does he have some rabid supporters that make go a bit far, sure. You know why he has that when others dont, because he gives his supporters passion. They know he will fight for the common person and not sell out to the highest bidder. They know he, along with just a small handful of others could possible save that. His supporters know if we get another corporate centrist we are done for,. We are heading for a cliff right now do we want to just go off the edge slower or do we want someone e who will try to steer in a new direction.
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Response to jr1118x (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:02 AM

41. Now that's the way to show patriotism.

 

If you don't do what I say, I will blow up the country. Nothing is important as me getting my way. Either do it my way or I will see that trump rules the country. I don't know anything about history or cooperation or politics or world affairs or government or democracy. But if you don't nominate my guy, me and my buddies will screw America good.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:09 AM

44. Blow Up The Country

 

Methinks no.

Someone fighting for non billionaires scares you right?
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Response to DanieRains (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:16 PM

58. So you think that giving trump four more years will help the non-billionaires?

 

Are you into the sarandon mode? You know, that shit about how Hillary was just like trump?

So yes. If those who want Bernie for our candidate decide to stay home or vote third party or vote for trump, then they are willing to blow up the country if they get their feelings hurt.

You have no idea who I am. I've been a socialist as long as Bernie. I want everything that he rants about. But I learned what he hasn't. I'd rather Medicare for all, but Obamacare is better than no care. I'd rather have free college, but a sane reworking of the loan program is better than betsy voss sticking to the working class student. You see - it isn't about me and my little feelings. It's about getting something done. Each of the Democratic presidents that you hate so much has moved the country toward better policy. Every time we run someone who can't win, the republicans take most of that back. I'll take two steps forward and one step back over three steps backward.

But that's just me. I can give up a little of my fantasy for a better reality.
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Response to jr1118x (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:19 AM

50. His judgement concerning his staffing concerns me.

 

So there's that.

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Response to jr1118x (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:27 AM

51. Yes

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:42 PM

4. Yeah...he/they will....and it will end up like '16...also ran

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:47 PM

6. uh, yeah.

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:51 PM

7. You're right, Bro. Bernie won't be bringing any pea shooters to a gun fight.

 

And I expect the Biden supporters will disappear in a month.
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Response to lutherj (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:59 PM

10. Interesting post Bro. n/t

 

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:11 PM

13. This is the epic political fantasy The Lord of the Bros. Volume I: The Fellowship of the Bros.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:18 PM

18. .......

 

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:37 PM

25. ........

 



Biden’s toast.
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Response to lutherj (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:52 PM

28. You could be right, but that only means that the Bloomy monster, with green scales throwing cash

 

everywhere comes out of the "establishment????" swamp after Bernie.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:34 PM

37. Bring it!! That's a debate Bernie (and I) can't wait for!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:35 PM

24. My fortune telling granny says that after Super Tuesday the race will be between Bernie, Mayor Pete,

 

and Bloomberg, with Bernie out in front. Biden will drop out.
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Response to lutherj (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:02 PM

31. if that makes you sleep better

 

go for it......but you really are funny.
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Response to chillfactor (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:24 PM

34. Thanks, but I sleep just fine.

 

Hope Uncle Joe (who’s a-moving mighty slow) sticks in a little longer for your sake.
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Response to lutherj (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:47 PM

54. Said the guy

 

Supporting the candidate with a fresh heart attack scar...
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Response to lutherj (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:12 PM

14. "Disappeared" how?

 

Similar to Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance or hauled away for "re-education" as in "The Handmaid's Tale"?

Does this mean that dissent won't be allowed? Inquiring minds, etc......
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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:26 PM

23. When Biden drops out. N/t

 

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Response to lutherj (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

35. So why use such ominous language?

 

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:35 PM

38. Sorry, I thought it was obvious.

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:56 PM

8. I say, why wait?? I say unleash the Hounds of Hell right now!

 

I think it's what might be referred to as a target-rich environment.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:58 PM

9. Oh please!

 

Tell me you've heard this from someone too young to post on DU!
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:00 PM

11. Joe, you may not believe this but IMO the Biden Brigade is just as aggressive,

 

and every bit as defensive.
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Response to denem (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:08 PM

12. Just compare it up to the a famous fight tactic...

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:21 PM

20. Ah yes - love it - the famous 'weasel war dance'

 

alive and well in these much more agreeable domestic brothers and sisters.

Adorable.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:12 PM

15. good

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:17 PM

16. Hyperbole much? nt

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:17 PM

17. Americans are exhausted by this kind of crazy high drama

 

I think the last thing most people want is a knife fight. I’d rethink this.
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Response to frazzled (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:24 PM

21. Then how do we explain...

 

...trump?
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:57 PM

29. We don't want to be like Trump

 

or the Trumpsters. Do we? Fighting fire with fire just creates ... a firestorm. That’s what I’m trying to say. And it doesn’t die down after the election. What you see is what you will get.
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Response to frazzled (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:20 AM

45. Bloomberg Is Beating Trump Bloody By The Tweet

 

Proving you wrong.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:26 AM

47. I disagree. Bloomberg's poll numbers say to me that Americans are

 

definitely up for a nasty fight
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:20 PM

19. I Agree That Bernie Is Power Hungry. As for His Promises...Meh

 

Why should we trust Bernie given how ruthless he is. He disregards pledges and throws would be allies under the bus at the slightest provocation. He attacks the media and repeatedly shows disdain for Democracy by attacking the integrity of elections. Its as though he is trying to copy the Trump playbook in order to elevate himself. This is not about a movement. What you describe is pure narcissism where he is going to elevate himself above all others. An endorsement by Joe Rogan? Why not. Scapegoat immigrants with Lou Dobbs? He has done that. Vote for the F-35 and gun maker immunity? Sure.

The question is why should we trust someone who would ruthlessly pursue power without principle? His promises are far more expensive than even Trump's wall, yet we are expected to believe that he has plan for paying for it?

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:13 PM

32. this

 

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:30 PM

36. + 100,000.

 

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:00 AM

40. Senator Sanders is not the enemy....Trump is

 

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:29 AM

48. I am just agreeing with the OP that Bernie will do anything to win

 

On this point, I am in agreement with a Bernie supporter. Heck, I even added some factual examples to support the point made by the OP.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:25 PM

22. "They will do anything to win."

 

They should probably reconsider the harassment of potential allies. All that's doing is alienating people and making his supporters look bad, and by extension, his campaign. Though, to be honest, alienation sometimes seems like part of the official strategy.

They might come to regret that if there's a contested convention.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:40 PM

26. +1

 

WOW...

...
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:52 PM

27. No excuse for misogyny. None.

 

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Response to krissey (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:58 PM

30. +...too many

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:58 PM

39. I'm sick of Bernie

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:05 AM

42. ...

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:05 AM

43. Hear, hear!

 

Great post!
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:26 AM

46. I Am Sure Bernie Supporters Are Tired Of Being Attacked By BS

 

The playing field is so tilted towards ignoring the world's real problems someone giving power to the 99% seems out of line.

The status quo is killing the planet, in case no one has noticed.

People are dying from lack of medical care despite Obama, and Biden's best efforts. Mostly because of Republicans, but the issue is larger than Republicans.

I have been sold out so many times, I am ready for a candidate who will fight for me to the end, whatever the end is.

Using some of the 50 TRILLION the 1% has amassed to fix our healthcare system, and planet sounds good to me. Perhaps it is 60 trillion now.

I am tired of seeing people suffer so the 1% can buy larger yachts every year.
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Response to DanieRains (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:41 PM

53. +1000000

 

I agree
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:17 AM

49. Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

 

Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he is willing to collaborate with President-elect Donald Trump going forward but warned he would "strongly oppose" the Republican should he continue to pursue his most extreme policy proposals.

Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.


Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle
In a presidential election season that’s seen plenty of partisan fights, Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders were among the candidates in Manchester, New Hampshire, Monday who were promising to reach across the political aisle if elected.

As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.




http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

While often viewed as a pesky left-wing gadfly, he is also known to reach across the aisle, working on legislation with Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Senator John McCain of Arizona, both Republicans. He has rationalized voting for the 1994 crime bill, now heavily criticized for some of its draconian provisions, by saying he had favored progressive parts of the bill, including the Violence Against Women Act, while strongly opposing measures that would lead to mass incarceration.


Bernie Sanders’ Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton

Sanders’ longtime friend Tony Pomerleau, a prominent Republican businessman and developer in Sanders’ hometown of Burlington, Vermont, offered his support for Clinton this week, framing his endorsement in a historical context.

Said Pomerleau:

I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919,” the letter reads. “I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the ‘Odd Couple.’”




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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:27 AM

52. Bernie bros are nasty, horrible people

 

All you have to do is set up a twitter account and you'll see them in action.

Them and the MAGAts are the opposite sides of the same coin.

Don't let the poster romanticize Bernie bros. They are a horrible fanatical bunch. Look out if Bernie doesn't win. They will trash the democratic party and then sabotage it because their guy didn't win.
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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:02 PM

56. I agree completely... Bernie and the Bernie Bros want to "burn it all down."

 

Who does that sound like? Bernie and the Bernie Bros are just like Trump and the MAGA crew... just the opposite end of the political spectrum.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:56 PM

55. ...and let me guess, if you weren't a Bernie supporter you get punished.

 

I can see Bernie carrying out personal vendettas just like Trump, just against different people.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:10 PM

57. Wrong: the votes clearly wanted our President to be Hillary Clinton - Electoral College????

 

"the votes" WEREN'T FUCKING THERE.

Whether we like the Electoral College or not - and I personally detest it - IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND.

The votes did not "want" Hillary Clinton to be President of the United States of America where the Electoral College is the LAW.

That fucking sucks but it is reality.

WHY did the votes not want Hillary Clinton to be President?

Excellent question. That's probably one we should be working on. Because it isn't going to be any better in 2020 as far as the law and the ratf*cking are concerned.

If BS and his supporters can't even face that reality, I do not want to see the hopes of this country vested in them.
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