Bernie Derangement Syndrome.

[Gravitycollapse]

That's honestly the only explanation I have for the way some people are treating Bernie on DU.

This certainly isn't happening in the real world--at least, I do not encounter this kind of vitriol in face-to-face interactions. And I talk about the election a lot.

Maybe we need a group therapy session or something because this is out of control.

[vercetti2021]

1. Read my post

I'm voting for whoever ls the nominee. Its depressing around here lately with so much teeth gnawing about who is the worst candidate

[TomCADem]

2. NY Daily News: President accuses 'evil' Democrats of suffering from Trump Derangement

It is uncanny. Attacks on the media. Complaining about the election being rigged against him. Now, derangement syndrome.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-derangement-syndrome-democrats-20200207-uqpif4cfdbgxfftbopniirecvy-story.html

President Trump accused “evil” Democrats of being obsessed with him and refusing to do the people’s business with him on Friday.

Fresh off a nasty and vindictive “celebration” of his impeachment acquittal, Trump showed no sign of backing down as he starts his reelection campaign in earnest.

“There is a lot of evil on that side. They’ve gone totally crazy,” he told reporters outside the White House. "It’s too bad.

* * *
“Trump derangement syndrome, they’ve got it. They’ve got a bad case of it,” Trump said. “You saw that. That was on display the other night when she ripped up the speech.”

[NanceGreggs]

5. Yes, uncanny - isn't it? n/t

[xmas74]

36. Absolutely.

I read it here and I see it at local club meetings. The newest one is someone from the Bloomberg camp and from the Warren camp will be at our next meeting. I've since received calls from a few people screaming that I shouldn't have them at the meeting because the Sanders camp isn't there. They don't listen when I try to explain that all camp in our area were invited; only Bloomberg and Warren accepted.

I still don't forgive for 2016 behavior at the state convention.

[Gravitycollapse]

6. Guess you don't remember Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Trump and his ilk just stole the template.

[TomCADem]

10. Big Difference Is That Obama Did Not Whine...

...about rigged elections against him or the media being out to get him like Trump/Sanders. Bernie is either whining about the Bernie Blackout or Media bias against him.

[dchill]

7. Trump Derangement Syndrome?

I KNOW I've got it!

[Dennis Donovan]

30. Just curious... will you vote for the nominee no matter who it is?

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Yeah... Bernie Bro's are a danger to Democracy...

[Still In Wisconsin]

52. Bernie and the BernieBros have been trashing actual Democrats since he lost to Hillary

five years ago. People really, really dislike Bernie and his sanctimonious supporters. They're really off-putting and should expect pushback on their own vitriolic attacks and BS "purity tests" on everything from local down-ballot candidates to pieces of legislation Bernie and the BernieBros see as "not progressive enough."

And now anybody who doesn't drop and kiss Bernie's ring is suffering from "derangement syndrome?"

You sound like a MAGA. Really. That's what they say..."Trump derangement syndrome."

[krissey]

61. Sanders has been trashing Democrats for five decades and said because of that he would be a

hypocrite to run in our primary as a Democrat. We simply agree with him. And he has been trashing HRC and Democrats loudly since 2015 to this day.

[TheFarseer]

70. Trump didn't invent that

It was first coined as Bush Derangement Syndrome and then became Obama Derangement Syndrome. Now it’s widely used for anyone. Quit trying to make Sanders=Trump.

[sheshe2]

74. Yikes!

That is all I will say.

[radical noodle]

3. Believe me, it's that way in the real world too

I see and hear it all the time in other places. I think you most likely do know exactly why.

.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

4. Ignore it. They'll come around.

[krissey]

14. We have had five years of Sanders insulting and attacking our party, our leaders, us. Five years.

Sanders burned his bridges. Sanders and his supporters need to stop blaming us for their actions.

[padah513]

15. Exactly

And they seem to keep forgetting that fact.

[krissey]

17. They ignore fact. It is not about "forgetting" but simply dismissing. Which in and of itself

reinforces and validates our opinions of Sanders. I mean, cheering Cenk and Rogan for their support is a slap in women's face. That is just one of many. Then they tell us that it does not matter what we feel about that. Burned bridges and it is all on Sanders. No forgetting, simply dismissing. Then demanding support. What is that?

[Bev54]

67. Not just demanding

but threatening that if we don't vote for him they will either not vote in the general election or take their vote elsewhere. These people are trying to blackmail the country, no different when Trump says you have no choice but to vote for me. I hate threats and the attitude they have all the cards.

[krissey]

68. I just had a poster tell me the we have to let Independents pick an Independent in the Democratic

primary because of their numbers. Literally. I am in that argument now. Using exactly these words. On a Democratic message board.

[still_one]

39. +++

[CentralMass]

20. That ignore button is useful

[lapfog_1]

34. No, we won't

if somehow Bernie becomes the nominee of the Party he despises, I will vote for him in November.

It won't matter, he will lose to Trump.

And he will fracture the left. We probably lose the House as well.

I want a happy warrior of the center left... Joe, Amy, Pete... or even Mike (ok... center).

[Horizens]

8. Heat

"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

[democratisphere]

9. I am having a progressive socialism attack like the vast majority of voters.

I continue to search for a morsal of sanity in a totally insane, totally irrational world.

[Skittles]

11. LOL

why can't you accept that some people are just NOT INTO BERNIE

[krissey]

12. I can give you 20 valid, legitimate reasons off hand, why I do not like Sanders. You do not want to

hear it. Easily 20 strong reasons for actively working at making sure he is not a Democratic nominee. Sanders supporters that tell the rest of us we have no valid reason, or whatever superficial accusations thrown our way just shows you one of the many reasons we have issue with Sanders and his supporters. The inability to listen is a huge shortcoming about Sanders, and right here and now a failure of the Sanders supporters.

Bernie Derangement Syndrome.
group therapy session
this is out of control

You are simply reinforcing our issues with Sanders and his supporters.

[betsuni]

18. +1

[Gravitycollapse]

25. Disagreement is not the issue. It's the fear mongering .

I’ve never seen Democrat’s lament a Democratic candidate like this. It’s almost comical the level of hyperbole thrown at Bernie.

[nini]

27. well we've never had 'DEMOCRATIC' candidate like him before

He chooses to be a Democrat when it suits is needs. He bitches more about Democrats than Trump and the GOP. He has no legislative accomplishments to back up his tired talking points. etc etc etc..

so, yea.. we're over the disruptor and his minions who act like they can tell real Democrats what to do and who to support.

Yep. OVER IT

[MontanaMama]

38. THIS.

The main reason I don’t support Sander is that he truly doesn’t have any legislative accomplishments to speak of. He just doesn’t. Stating this doesn’t make me a hater, it makes me suspicious of what he could actually get done in the WH. The second reason is how Sanders uses the Democratic party to further his own agenda and bashes it when things don’t go his way. It’s so messed up. If Bernie and his supporters really want a revolution, he should run as an Indy not a Dem. THAT would be revolutionary.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

49. Well said! n/t

[krissey]

57. +1

[krissey]

58. Just another way to tie Democrats hands behind our back while running a race.

Damn tired of it

[Zolorp]

54. They never ask to want to hear legitimate reasons

I guess it destroys the preconceived notions.

[krissey]

59. And when told, they ignore it then call us deranged.

[PTWB]

78. What are your 20 off hand reasons?

The only real negatives I see toward Bernie concern his electability (or lack there or) and how inappropriate and fanatical some of his supporters are.

[Kurt V.]

13. It's all very natural.

passion and what not

[Garrett78]

16. Evidence of what you're saying:

1) People celebrating the idea of denying Sanders the nomination if he has a plurality of pledged delegates.

2) Support for this asshole: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/02/a-republican-plutocrat-tries-to-buy-the-democratic-nomination.

Absolute insanity. Yes, at a time when disgust with the status quo is the driving force in the US, let's deny anti-status quo Sanders the nomination and let Mike fucking Bloomberg buy the nomination. I'm sure that wouldn't backfire (the eye roll is implied). Good grief.

So much of this seems to stem from a misunderstanding about the electorate, in particular so-called independents, swing voters and the disenchanted non-voter/3rd party voter. Someone was trying to suggest that the electorate of today is no different than it was in the early 1970s. That's nuts.

Today's so-called independents are more partisan (more likely to always vote for the same party) than the average party-affiliated voter of the 1970s. They're also less likely to actually vote than the party-affiliated, partly due to being disenchanted with the status quo.

And true swing voters aren't as great in number as some claim--more importantly, what they tend to swing against is the status quo or party in power (it's not a well-defined ideology - some mix of conservative and liberal views - or a party platform that dictates how/if they vote--instead, it's a sense that things ain't right and the boat needs to be rocked).

Conventional wisdom of the past is no longer wise, and we fail to recognize that at our peril. But people like Carville have a really hard time accepting that their formula is outdated. The notion that we should select a candidate or run a campaign based on appealing to middle-of-the-road voters or winning over the MAGA hat wearers is dangerously misguided.

Dems should take the following to heart:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/9/20750160/liberalism-trump-putin-socialism-reactionary

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944 (the headline is misleading, as that's not what she says)

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-independent-voters/

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/independents-pew/index.html

[Locrian]

40. Absolute insanity indeed

A lot of people are still beholden to mainstreet as providers of the "truth" and cannot escape that group-think.
Change is all around and it's just not "comfortable" to realize it.

Sanders is popular because MILLIONS of people realize that and need some hope and someone to back them instead of the status quo and the mainstream corporate/wallstreet.

And even this "change" is a small thing: Climate change is HERE. Hyper inequality and authoritarianism is HERE. We're at the gates and most people just want to go back to the "good old times". Thing is ... it's just not going to happen.


We are in for one hell of a ride, and it's just getting started.




https://medium.com/deep-code/understanding-the-blue-church-e4781b2bd9b5

“The Blue Church is panicking because they’ve just witnessed the birth of a new Red Religion. Not the tired old Christian cliches they defeated back in the ’60s, but a new faith based on cultural identity and outright rejection of the Blue Faith.” — /u/notjfao

A number of folks noted that they were not familiar with the concept of the Blue Church and wondered what was meant by it. The Democratic Party? Liberalism? Progressivism? As I mentioned in SA:2017, I had originally lifted the idea wholesale from that Reddit post with only an intuitive sense that it (and its juxtaposition with a Red Religion) was useful and pointed at something real.

[Pompoy]

19. We need to make this election about Trump

By nominating Sanders or even my Senator Elizabeth Warren, whom I love and donate to, the election becomes about medicare for all and socialism.
That scares me, and it scares the majority of the Democratic Party. This isn't the time to fight for big dreams, change has to be incremental, we have to get back to normal and go for incremental changes until the rest of the country feels more comfortable with the Democratic Party.
It can't be a fight between socialism and Trump, we will lose, maybe not the Presidency, because the moderate wing of the Party will still support Sanders, but it might have a bigger effect on the elections for Congress and the Senate.

[whistler162]

21. congratulations on taking the first step!

which is knowing you have a problem.

[treestar]

22. That's life when running for POTUS

Your candidate's opponents attack them. That's what happens.

[brooklynite]

23. Tell me how many candidate had to tamp down criticism of the Culinary Union by their supporters?

[MrsCoffee]

24. Or... He reaps what he sows.

There, fixed it for you.

[Gravitycollapse]

26. Vilifying Bernie supporters. Another common BDS trait.

[MrsCoffee]

28. Or just more reaping and sowing.

[krissey]

42. You called people who do not like Sanders deranged and needing therapy and you are a Sanders

supporter. Again. You burn the bridges. Don't get all up in it blaming another for calling people deranged and needing therapy.

About 19 on the list. sanders and supporters are always the vcitim.

[Gravitycollapse]

44. Not liking Sanders is fine. Hating him and his supporters is not.

[krissey]

46. I see the con.

Sanders now admits he cannot pass M4A. He used this to attack the Democratic party for five years. He used it to con his supporters who were less informed. He knew all along it was a pipe dream and yet continued to use it to cause chaos in the Democratic primaries. He says now he would have to do it incrementally. Lower to 55, ect. Democrats already have that plan. He took the Democratic plan.

His staffer says a couple days ago, there is no way M4A wil be passed.

Yesterday AOC said, there is no way M4A will be passed and the best we can hope for is public option. Again, another plan the Democrats have already been working at getting.

Five years of attacks from Sanders while we all knew the con, and people buying it telling us that Sanders had good plans for the people. Five years people refused to listen and believe that there is no way those plans could be implemented, even though it was obvious. Five years of conning people.

And now they all own up, it was a lie. Not even serious. Had no plan because why bother doing the work when you already know it won't happen. Why figure out the cost when you know it will not happen.

This is Sanders.

[Gravitycollapse]

50. More BDS. There is no con.

You can disagree with his policies. But suggesting he’s been conning people is hysterically untrue.

[krissey]

51. It is factually true. I gave facts. And this would be in the list of 20.

The inability to listen and address facts. Why wouldn't Democrats be pissed being bludgeoned with M4A for five years knowing it cannot be done, damage to our party especially with our youth voters, when Sanders pivots and admits it can't won't be done. Then adopts our plans.

[mcar]

53. What in that post is vilifying Bernie supporters?

[True Blue American]

62. :)

[awesomerwb1]

29. I seem to be seeing a lot of bernie victim syndrome here

Poor bernie here, poor bernie there. The "establishment" hates him. They're against him.

Do bernie supporters have an unlimited supply of bernie victim cards?

[ismnotwasm]

31. Out of curiosity, what area do you live in?

[LongtimeAZDem]

32. I imagine that would be the only explanation you could come up with if you ignore the reality

of Sanders' history, positions, and tactics.

[Historic NY]

33. Ok how about one-trick-pony syndrome.

[customerserviceguy]

35. Most were nice

when they thought that Bernie Sanders wasn't going to win the early caucuses and primaries. Now, some here are willing to actually consider Bloomie as a way to stop Bernie.

My, our standards have fallen.

[Aaron Pereira]

37. Calling for fundamental changes in an institution will always generate hostility.

I don't mind, it just means Sanders is hitting the mark so accepting that hostility and moving forward is the only productive option.

[BlueWI]

41. Thanks for the earnest effort to advocate civility.

It's a duty to do so in many different settings with our volatile political climate, and it matters that you stand up for ordinary Democratic voters who support Sanders or other candidates, for that matter.

Good luck in the primaries.

[krissey]

43. You define civility calling people deranged and needing therapy, lol?

[BlueWI]

69. Think of it is tough love.

Snark is a frequent tone on the internet, as you capably illustrate with your response, but sometimes it serves a larger purpose.

[krissey]

77. No thank you.

[tritsofme]

45. Poooor poooor Bernie. Such a victim! This really is pathetic.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

47. Disliking a politician equals Derangement Syndrome

I think we all have some form of this bullshit mental illness.

[Gravitycollapse]

48. Nope. Disliking is fine. Hating him and his supporters...

Calling them liars and suggesting they are secretly Republicans or Russian agents...that’s not fine.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

56. Ok, I haven't seen that.

I just don't like seeing this derangement syndrome stuff because that was something that came from Trump and his supporters first. He uses that as a way to brush off the rest of us with legitimate complaints as just simply crazy. I see why you are bothered, but I'm just pointing out that derangement syndrome stuff is something that bothers me and probably a lot of other people because of how Trump supporters have used it.

[Gravitycollapse]

63. It was used by Obama supporters long before.

I guess people really don’t remember that.

The complete inability to simply disagree with Bernie’s polices and the accusations that he’s a Russian agent (and his supporters Republicans) really does present like a kind of mental block.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

65. I think most people simply disagree and aren't into conspiracy theories n/t

[krissey]

60. Sanders admitted Russia helped him and Republicans tell us they are helping Sanders.

Again. Facts.

[Cha]

71. Proof?

[Gravitycollapse]

72. I don't surveil DU. So I don't keep track of who said what.

[Cha]

73. It's called Vetting. NO one is exempt.

[Gravitycollapse]

76. Character assassination is not vetting. I agree we should vet.

But a lot of what is said about Sanders is pure speculation and, frankly, unfounded attacks on his and his supporters motivations and affiliations.

[Cha]

79. He's getting vetted like everyone else.

[Swfladem]

55. In the end....

No matter who wins the nomination, I’m quite positive everybody on DU will support that candidate. Everyone of them have a better plan and idea for America than the same old Republican thought process that the rich should rule the working class.

[Gravitycollapse]

64. Yes, except for Bloomberg.

I’ll take any other candidate.

[MuseRider]

75. It has been this way since the last election.

I stayed away from this section for a long time because of it. I came back in and the first 14 threads were raving about horrible Bernie. Nothing productive was even said.

Ignore them. Do not let it get to you. You can put them on ignore or you can stay out of the Primary Forum.

If by chance he does win this it is going to be worth un-ignoring a lot of people.

I think I will leave this forum again. There is absolutely nothing productive going on for any of the candidates. Lotta noise and hostility from the last election and even if not that it is never productive. Nothing to gain here.

[CrawlingChaos]

80. The real world is absolutely nothing like this forum

I've met tons of Bernie supporters and they are wonderful, salt of the earth people. Not a "bro" among them.