Democratic Primaries
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Polling data indicates why single-payer might be a liability. At first glance, Medicare-for-all does poll pretty well: 56 percent approval and 41 percent disapproval, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey. It could be aided by some misconceptions, though: More than half of people, for example, think theyd be able to keep their health insurance plan under the single-payer system. (Under Sanderss bill, they would not; most private insurance would be prohibited after the four-year transition period.)
Polling data indicates why single-payer might be a liability. At first glance, Medicare-for-all does poll pretty well: 56 percent approval and 41 percent disapproval, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey. It could be aided by some misconceptions, though: More than half of people, for example, think theyd be able to keep their health insurance plan under the single-payer system. (Under Sanderss bill, they would not; most private insurance would be prohibited after the four-year transition period.)
But public opinion hinges on how you talk about the issue. Support dropped from 56 percent to 37 percent when voters were told the proposal would eliminate private insurance companies or raise taxes for most Americans. (Support correspondingly surged when voters heard the strongest talking points in favor of the proposal: universal coverage and lower health care costs.)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
IronLionZion
(45,258 posts)This might be the correct VOX link
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/14/21132038/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-2020-election
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)I appreciate your help!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)Democratic plans of incrementing medicare or public option.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)ACA upgrade and that would be fine with me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)Either public option or a "barebones" M4A plan that has public market add-ons like medicare Part B has now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Technically yes.
But having my healthcare premiums deducted from my paycheck by my employer to pay Cigna vs. having a tax payment taken out of my check instead is a tax increase- sign me up. We already have a Medicare tax in our paychecks. With everyone in the risk pool, that portion likely drops substantially and the tax increase will be less than my premiums.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Proud Veteran
(35 posts)Just asking. If it takes a super majority (60 votes) in the Senate that is simply unsustainable.Really think that public option/medicaid expansion would get us back on the right path.
Many working people including Independents would not like to lose their employer coverage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jr1118x
(97 posts)Well if the wall could be declared a National Emergency and shift funding. Why not just say healthcare is a national emergency, ram a E.O. through the pigs faces and after 4-8 years of everyone having MFA would be so popular would make it hard to remove.
Why do we always play by the rules and get fucked. Make them take it for a change.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It doesn't matter that MFA once fully implemented could be better for every American, that is something that we can only speculate on, but for sure people's taxes will go up, that is a known.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jr1118x
(97 posts)And? The wall diverts budgeted funds so we could just divert funds. Just saying if 1 side doesnt play by the rules then i dont see why the other side should too. Make them take it for a change.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Where are you going to find approx. 3.2 TRILLION per year to divert?
MFA has an estimated cost of 32 trillion for ten years.
Divert this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)People love the idea of a government medical plan that they feel like they are not paying for. The moment they realize money will come out of their wallets they scream like they were scalded.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)The continued demonization of the insurance industry ignores the underlying fact that providers (hospitals, doctors, dentists, DME providers, therapists, and TPAs) and pharma share equal blame. Medical practices overstate services to squeeze more out of insurance. Hospitals raise rates to make up the deficit for those who can't or won't pay. Everybody in the system is greedy. The existing Medicare system is regularly and frequently fleeced by providers (you too are entitled to a free back brace).
I like the M4A argument in theory. Everyone is covered at a minimal cost. But it ignores the fact that we are first and foremost a consumer culture. We want what we want. Some of us want to see our family doctor. Others go to big practices and don't care who they see. Others want to go straight to a specialist. Some are happy to see a PA or ARNP is it means being seen right effing now. As it stands now, insurance companies can be very intrusive in your private business if you are, for example, overweight. I don't see that changing at all if the government becomes the principal insurer.
There is a lot in American culture that will not appreciate single-payer as it exists in Europe. I think the saner approach is robust public base insurance (like an ACA Bronze) that gets everyone basic care and emergency care, and then let private insurance handle selling policies that allow people to pay for personal preferences and needs.
Also, before you send insurance off to the dustbin of history, consider the many forms of medical treatment that are paid by non-medical insurance policies - car accidents, work comp claims, slips and falls covered under general liability. Who is paying for these things under Berniecare - the taxpayer?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided