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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:57 AM Feb 2020

Rob Reiner: "...the Revolutionary War will have been fought for nothing."



Rob Reiner ✔ @robreiner

Unless we all pledge to unabashedly and passionately support whichever candidate emerges to oppose this cancer on our Democracy, the Revolutionary War will have been fought for nothing.

9:43 AM - Feb 15, 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
2. So, we are all in for Bernie then in the General Election.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:06 AM
Feb 2020

OK.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
5. This constant reaffirmation that is needed by some sure does say A LOT. nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:29 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. I have been very realistic about Warren's chances.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:32 AM
Feb 2020

So your point escapes me.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
3. Here's the disconnect I'm having.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:18 AM
Feb 2020

I appreciate Rob's sentiments.

However, when the AG is in the President's pocket to undermine the rule of law, what makes us think that these crooks will conduct or allow a fair election or will go along with it's result? Because they have to know if they do, they're going to jail.

I think that is what we are dealing with here and what we're going to have to address - whether we like it or not. They're pretending it is a democracy but it really isn't anymore. The rule of law does not exist any longer when it comes to these authoritarians.

That is what we have to confront.
That Revolutionary war is long over.
The way this is going, we may well have a new one to fight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
4. This is a possibility.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:23 AM
Feb 2020

Perhaps not probable (I like to think there's still many good people in government that would prevent something like the election being cancelled, or the results from being manipulated), but the odds of such a thing happening here in the US just went WAY up in the last 2 weeks alone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
8. There is no way Trump and Barr and McConnell can allow a fair election
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:47 AM
Feb 2020

And realize, the balance of the GOP are behind them.
The whole thing is corrupt as we saw with the impeachment vote.

The GOP have to have seen this coming. The changing demographics are irreversible in their lifetimes. It's the only way they're going to keep power.

So is this where it is going? .. Trump, Barr & McConnell collectively "Aw shucks, we didn't mean anything by seizing power. We'll just hand it all back and go to jail like the good little boys we really are."

Do you really think Trump will opt to go to jail by accepting an election defeat? The statute of limitations on some of the Russia thing may have run out but a bunch that has happened on his watch will not have.

If a Democrat took over the White House, Trump's tax returns, banking, what he obstructed from the DoJ on Russia and Lord knows what else will come out.

I think it is naive to think these rats are going to go quietly without a fight because the consequences for them are getting blatantly obvious. These are going to be increasingly desperate men with everything to lose if they hand over the reigns of power. They're already in a position where they do not have much choice but to play out the string and try to seize/maintain control while pacifying us into thinking a meaningful election is going to take place.

Under what scenario do you see them allowing a normal transition to a Democrat who got elected President ? That scenario seems to be getting increasingly remote when you consider what will happen to them if they do not retain power. They have nothing to lose by not going along with a transition because they're older men looking at long prison sentences.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
10. Their stakes are high. They know what they did and what will happen to them should Dems take all
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:03 PM
Feb 2020

...in Nov. So, yes, their motive is completely established. They will put the throttle to the firewall and do anything they can to disrupt the election. But, there's more of US - those who respect the rule of law and our institutions (when neither are broken) than them. So, I hold out hope that they won't succeed.

This faith I harbor isn't an abdication of responsibility. It's a beacon that keeps me motivated and fighting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
13. The election is run by 50 states
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:43 PM
Feb 2020

Trump isn’t counting votes in the Oval Office.

Win the states we won last time. Win PA and MI, (with democratic governors) and win AZ, which can turn blue after 2018, and we win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
15. They won't bother with most of the states which are either red or blue
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:22 PM
Feb 2020

They only have to mess with the battleground states.

Either plant someone to cheat for the Dems and get caught
Or just claim a Deep State conspiracy that the election has been stolen.

Trump lawyer to Trump "either you survive the election or you're going to jail for the rest of your life"

I think Michael Cohen is right. Trump won't leave the Oval office casually.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
6. True but at least THEY are not FABRICATING evidence to ensnare their political opponents, at least
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:31 AM
Feb 2020

we have not fallen that far yet.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
9. I presume you were saying that sarcastically. nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:49 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
11. Was McCabe indicted? nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DEbluedude

(816 posts)
12. I agree with you.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:41 PM
Feb 2020

What's happening now is the culmination of what 40 years of demagoguery, hate-spewing and the dumbing down of America has done. All is going according to plan. This is not going to end well. These traitors are not going to go away without a fight. The tipping point is coming and it may well be the next election. There will be blood.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
16. The Revolutionary War was fought for nothing
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:23 PM
Feb 2020

If we had stuck with the British, slavery would have ended earlier and we'd have National healthcare today.

Biggest mistake ever.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gembaby1

(253 posts)
17. Please...I have very firm opinions on this event.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 08:00 PM
Feb 2020

The ‘revolutionary’ war was so all upper class white men with property could have say in how their taxes were spent.

It was all for nothing for the majority of the people and it was only one third of the population who actively supported it.

You go on about monarchy but that way of ruling a country has been completely neutered. The Queen is only supposed to be the head of state now, not government. She isn’t allowed to have political opinions or put her thumb on the scale unless asked by the Prime Minister to do it and that has to be for an extremely special reason.

It’s the elected Prime Minister and all the rest of the elected MPs that run the government. They make up the cabinet and the loyal opposition. All are elected, none appointed.

This is the House of Commons. Whereas the senate everywhere should be abolished because it is deeply undemocratic and only rubber stamps bills. It’s a relic of the past for monied privileged white men with property so that the rabble don’t get out of control with their democratic aspirations.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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