Mike Bloomberg has faced allegations of sexist, profane comments for decades

[bluewater]

Link to tweet

Now, as Bloomberg is increasingly viewed as a viable Democratic candidate for president and the #MeToo era has raised the profile of workplace harassment, he is finding that his efforts to prevent disclosure are clashing against demands that he release former employees and complainants from their nondisclosure agreements.

The allegations that he tolerated a hostile office culture could undercut his ability to criticize President Trump’s alleged sexual misconduct and efforts to keep such claims private.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

Bloomberg should let those women speak now. What is he afraid of?

[mopinko]

1. imma go read that, but yeah, he better get this shit out there.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. I am disappointed yet unsurprised at how quickly and easily people rationalize support for him.

[wcast]

4. +1000

The move from Biden to Bloomberg happened at light speed.

[lunasun]

56. + Some moving quickly over had previously appeared to be quite firm in their choice of Biden

[Bradshaw3]

82. I noticed that as well

The went from "it's gotta be Joe because he's the ONLY ONE who can beat dump" to now "it's gotta be Bloomberg because he's the ONLY ONE who can beat drumpf." Not only ironic and amusing but the rationale is false.

[lunasun]

86. +Whoosh under the bus for Biden by some of his most ardent supporters & primary season just starting

Although I would still consider Biden and am undecided, I thought I was told here only he alone could save us in multiple long dissertations on a daily basis most assuredly, but now they are silent on him or have gone Bloomberg

[loyalsister]

62. No surprise

They have similar history and their hyper-masculine personas are quite similar. The only real difference is the money.

[Sympthsical]

76. From my reading, I sense, "Crap, Joe's out. Who can stop Bernie?!"

There’s a sense of panicked desperation.

Mike’s a nonstarter for me. His racial problems and deep misogyny is anathema to what I want in a Democratic nominee.

That said, his trolling of Trump is genius and hilarious. I hope he supports our fight against Trump as much as he can.

From the sidelines - not midfield.

[treestar]

89. And Bloomberg is no younger

and has worse sexist/racist baggage. Are the ads so mesmerizing? He's not even on the ballot in many states. Without needing money, how do we know he has people willing to work hard for his campaign because they support him to the extent the others have.

He has no federal/foreign policy experience, and that's what we need. How anyone can switch from Biden to him is a mystery. How are they getting convinced he is more likely to beat the Dotard? Where's the evidence for that?

[BeckyDem]

6. Saddens me to no end.

[Kaleva]

7. You'll still vote for him if he's the nominee this fall.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. You keep saying that.

^^ That's an observation, not an imperative.

[Kaleva]

61. I keep saying it because it's true. We'll all vote fro Bloomberg if he's the nominee.

I've seen lots of DUers sayign they'll vote for the nominee no matter who it is, even Bloomberg but i have yet to see a member say they will not vote for Bloomberg in the general if he wins the nomination.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

63. I don't believe whatever "we" you mean will vote for Bloomberg is he's the nominee.

[Kaleva]

72. Members of this forum. DUers.

It's part of the TOS we agreed to abide by to be a member here.

"Members are not expected to hold across-the-board progressive opinions on every single issue, but we do expect members to be generally progressive and to support Democrats at election time -- remember that and respect it when posting. Harsh, divisive, partisan attacks against Democrats or progressive values (from the right or the left) are not welcome here."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Kaleva]

80. Have you seen a post saying they won't be voting for Bloomberg if he's the nominee?

I've seen several where the member said they won't be happy if Bloomberg is the nominee but they will vote for him this fall.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

87. On a forum that requires not posting that as a qualification of participation? No.

[Kaleva]

96. Which says that remaining a member of a forum is the most important thing to them

That overides all other values and principles they may hold.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

103. Or they truly don't know what they'd do, or they generally don't share their voting patterns,

or they feel they've made their inclinations clear without spelling them out, or are simply biding their time. The world is a big place.

[Kaleva]

109. They declared they knew what they were going to do when they agreed to the TOS

[WhiskeyGrinder]

112. Lol

[zackymilly]

121. Double LOL

[wcast]

91. I have several times, including yesterday.

I won’t vote Republican, but I won’t vote for Bloomberg. If that gets me tossed from DU, so be it. I don’t post much, but I stand by my principles. I see Bloomberg as a Republican, only holding to a few Democratic tenets. I want a progressive.

I don’t want Biden to be our President but would vote for him in the general.

[Kaleva]

97. We lost many people in 2016 who wouldn't vote for Hillary

[HeartlandProgressive]

9. Thank god Bloomberg won't be our nominee.

Too much sexist baggage.

Too much Stop and Frisk racism baggage.

[totodeinhere]

55. Of course we will. Will you still vote for Bernie if he is the nominee?

Or Joe or Pete or Amy or Elizabeth? I think that sometimes in the heat of the primary campaign we might lose sight of the big picture which is getting rid of Trump at all costs. But nevertheless, we also want the best president we can get and vetting our candidates, Mike and Bernie included, should be part of the process.

[Kaleva]

68. I agree with you and yes, I'll vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination.

I'll gladly vote for any of our candidates who is our nominee.

Primaries are heated affairs and as you said, some may lose sight of the big picture. Getting rid of Trump at all costs.

IMHO, I think Bloomberg is our best bet in defeating Trump. Others will argue that their favorite candidate fits that description.

[totodeinhere]

73. We are on the same page and I'm glad that we will both be working for our nominee no matter

who she or he turns out to be.

[Kaleva]

79. I think the great majority of us are on the same page.

I see lots of posts made by members who support other candidates who say that beating Trump is the top priority.

Best of luck to Sanders this primary but i am hoping Bloomberg!

[Amimnoch]

81. I will proudly vote for Joe or Pete or Amy or Elizabeth. -nt

[Autumn]

16. One says that the plan is that "Mr. B. Mr. Mike. Mr. Bloomberg" takes out Bernie.

I don't believe they support him at all. They're just convinced he can get Bernie out.

[kstewart33]

25. That's the entire point.

With Bernie, we lose it all. The WH, the House, and many state and local races.

[Autumn]

38. And what do you get when your Mr. B knocks out Liz, Pete and Amy along with Bernie?

He might be the nominee but he won't win the GE. You seem to think that he will poke Trump and Trump will poke back and fall apart and that will guarantee a GE win for Bloom . It won't. And that's terrifying.

[Vivienne235729]

93. Bloomberg resonates w far more of the general population than Sanders would.

Sanders appeals to the far left. Bloomberg will appeal to everyone in between. Bloomberg will do very well in a moderate state like AZ. That's why he is dumping a ton of money here already. He knows that too. Bernie will scare republicans to get out and vote.

[Autumn]

98. No he does not. Bloomberg will not appeal to everyone to the right of Bernie.

[Vivienne235729]

116. No but Bloomberg will appeal with more people to the right of Bernie

Than Bernie appeals to people left of Bloomberg.

[Autumn]

117. There's a shit load of people to the left of Bloomberg.

[Vivienne235729]

118. Right. No shit. But There's a few candidates that they will appeal to That's not Bernie.

[Autumn]

119. Don't worry bout it. Bernie will do just fine.

[Vivienne235729]

120. So you hope. I don't think so, though. Your guy has a people of color problem.

Let's see how he does in the south....

[kstewart33]

23. I don't care.

If Bloomberg is the most likely candidate to beat Trump, I'm with him.

Our dang democracy is at stake. Everything is on the table, and that is no exaggeration.

[Loki Liesmith]

29. Yep.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. Just because he's not Trump doesn't mean he's better than Trump.

[Squinch]

52. LOL! Are you kidding??? Yes it does!

[Devil Child]

71. +1! N/T

[Loki Liesmith]

28. Your disappointment has shaken me.

Whatever will I do now?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. Besides believing he can beat Trump, what do you like about Bloomberg?

[Squinch]

64. His work on climate change and on gun control. His proposed tax plan. His millions of dollars

of support for Planned Parenthood, and his rush to prop up Planned Parenthood when the Trump administration took away millions from them.

His support for gay marriage and his participation in "Mayors for the Freedom to Marry" which pioneered legalization of gay marriage.

His initiatives to reduce domestic violence and increase the arrests and convictions for domestic crimes.

His opposition to the death penalty.

His banning of smoking in bars and restaurants in NYC.

His outspoken comments on the idiocy of Creationism.

His work to end the use of coal.

His position that we need to reduce military spending.

His work toward a path for citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

His commitment to separation of church and state.

In my perfect world, he would not be the candidate. I don't like him much. But this is not a perfect world. Far from it. He has done a lot wrong. But he has done a lot right. And he is the only one running the kind of campaign that is needed to defeat Filthy Donnie.

ETA: Another thing to like: his hot-off-the-presses labor plan, which eases some of my fears about him: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287520746

[flamingdem]

92. Please make this an OP, post separately

if you can - I didn't know half of this about Bloomberg. Thanks

[Squinch]

113. Thank you for the suggestion! I took it.

[flamingdem]

114. Looks like things got lively

on your post!

[Squinch]

115. Oh yes.

[jcmaine72]

3. Nice choice to give the American people in November

Trump or Bloomberg

Cyanide or strychnine.

An ocean's worth of past sexism and racism with an (R) or (D).

We MUST do better than Bloomberg as a party. I'm sorry, but we just have to. This is not what we're supposed to be.

[calguy]

12. I'm sorry

But when I compare Bloomberg to Bernie, the democratic socialist can't even come close. Bernie has accomplished very little in his life besides being a loud megaphone for socialistic causes. His actual accomplishments are pretty much non existent. So I'll pick a guy whose is an honest self made billionaire over a guy who talks a lot but accomplished very little.

[jcmaine72]

19. I'm sorry too.

I'll pick the guy without the racist past. That's not much of an accomplishment in my book.

[calguy]

20. You're grasping at straws.

You keep choosing the shortest straw.

[jcmaine72]

21. No. It's actually the longest one.

And it will ultimately be the straw that breaks the back of his presidential campaign. His racist past won't go away, no matter how many endorsements he buys.

[stopbush]

30. Q: where and when does someone's past go away?

Do we refuse the 2020 votes of people who voted for tRump in 2016? Does that poor past decision never go away, ergo we don’t want or need their votes?

Asking for a friend.

[jcmaine72]

39. The scale of civil rights violations that ocurred against African-Americans and other POC under

Stop-and-Frisk was enormous. It was a policy he staunchly defended for twelve years as mayor. TWELVE. Even when a federal judge declared Stop-and-Frisk to be unconstitutional he continued to defend the policy. That's not some "poor decision" he made in passing, or some minor, ill-conceived, momentary lapse in judgement, or some distant, hazy piece of tomfoolery from his schoolboy days. That's TWELVE years, all within the past twenty, that he perpetuated, supported and defended the wholesale civil rights abuse of mostly young POC in the city he was supposed to serve.

To me, that's unforgivable, and not something from his past that can be whitewashed with a recently purchased (D) next to his name and a few harsh words for Trump.

[stopbush]

43. At least he purchased a D, unlike Sanders, who is still running as an I for his Senate seat.

[jcmaine72]

45. That's it? Nothing about the twelve years of civil rights abuses against POC?

I didn't think so.

[stopbush]

47. If you want more, Mike was a lifelong D who chose to run as an R in the NYC mayoral race.

He ran as an I - just like Sanders - for his third term. Now, he’s a D again.

BTW - didn’t Sanders switch to I because he couldn’t win running as a D in Vermont? Doesn’t Sanders only slap a D next to his name when he runs for POTUS?

I was not a fan of Mike as mayor (I lived in NYC during the Koch and Dinkins years), but I have been favorably impressed with what he has done since, like providing major funding to Ds in 2018 (you can thank Mike in large part for the blue wave). And Mike has committed to spending his own $ to defeat tRump whether he is the candidate or not. Will Sanders ask Bloomberg to please stop spending his own money to help Sanders defeat tRump if he’s the nominee? I doubt it.

[jcmaine72]

75. None of that excuses or erases what he has done.

And this guy changes sides more than Italy in a World War. You asked me a question. I answered it. So let me ask you a question along similar lines:

Considering the scale and scope of the civil rights abuses that occurred under his mayoralty, and the lengthy period in which they occurred, do you think he should just magically be absolved of any responsibility for them because he reverted to a (D) and is spreading big $$$ to settle some personal beef with Dotard?

[stopbush]

95. Nothing magical involved. Mike can beat tRump. Sanders can't.

Mike wins, we keep the House and maybe win the Senate.

Sanders loses and there goes the House.

I really don’t give a shit what Mike’s motivation is.

[jcmaine72]

78. BTW, do you realize that Bloomy endorsed Dumbya Bush twice for President?

It's kinda odd that someone with a screenie like "stopbush" would be so smitten with a man who campaigned for Bush twice. Unless, of course, it's some other type of bush you're trying to stop, like Japanese Maple or Calluna.

[stopbush]

94. It's not at all a matter of being smitten. At age 65, I don't get smitten by politicians.

It’s a matter of who can beat tRump, period. And that ain’t Sanders.

[Nanjeanne]

37. Mayor comparisons.

Sanders
He won re-election three times, defeating Democratic and Republican contenders.

Caused voter turnout to double during his tenure.

Burlington became the first city in the country to fund community-trust housing under Sanders’ leadership.

He not only balanced the city budget, but undertook ambitious downtown revitalization projects. He even helped bring in a minor-league baseball team to the town, the Vermont Reds.

He sued the town’s local cable franchise and won reduced rates for customers.

Kept a developer from turning important waterfront property into condominiums, hotels, and offices to be used only by the wealthy and affluent. Instead, it was made into housing, parks, and public space. Even today, the area still has many parks and miles of public beach and bike baths, including a science center.

Provided new firms with seed funding, and helped businesses create trade associations. He funded training programs to give women access to nontraditional jobs and even gave special attention to women wanting to become entrepreneurs.

Voted as one of America’s best mayors by U.S. News & World Report in 1987.

Bloomberg

Spent $75 million, then $78 million and then more than $100 million to win his 3 terms.

Stop and frisk

Union buster

Increased homelessness

Disgraceful eviction of Occupy Wall Street and defied court order to allow protestors back

Slams minimum wage hikes

His New Housing Marketplace program built more apartments for people who make more than $100,000 a year than for people who make less than $30,000. It defines as “affordable” a one-room apartment in Harlem that costs almost $1,500 a month

In Bloomberg’s 12 years in office, his personal fortune increased sevenfold, from $4.5 to $32 billion, while 46 percent of the city’s residents now live in or near poverty.

And so much more.

[jcmaine72]

41. +1000 Excellent post!

[stopbush]

48. Running NYC v running Bumfuck Vt.

Accurate comparison?

[Nanjeanne]

69. Oh i see. Running NYC is the reason for the anti gay, anti Muslim, anti POC policies

anti-poor, anti-school kids and anti teacher too.

And Burlington is bumfuck.

Yup. Makes perfect sense you are a supporter of Bloomberg.

[davs797]

18. I know

It’s crazy how little people value morals. The talk about respecting a diverse vote because Iowa and New Hampshire go first. Lmao seems really transparent when support is so quickly thrown to someone that has done actual harm to minorities and seems to have little regard for anyone but White men.

[bluewater]

35. +1000

[BeckyDem]

5. Read up on this guy now and vote accordingly in the primaries.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. If he can whip Trump, I don't care

Donald J. Trump is the biggest threat to this planet in my lifetime.

ANYTHING to get rid of him.

[bluewater]

14. We have several better candidates that can all beat Trump.

Polls have been showing that consistently for months.

We don't have to settle for Bloomberg.

[TheCowsCameHome]

57. We thought that in 2016, didn't we?

HRC was a shoo-in. And look what happened...

Nope, sorry, I want someone that goes in for the kill right out of the gate.

Nobody but Mike Bloomberg has shown me that thus far. All the others are too occupied squabbling with each other.

[bluewater]

60. Trump will HAMMER Bloomberg on Stop and Frisk.

And suppress black voter turn out.

It will not matter that Trump supported Stop and Frisk himself, he isn't counting on black voters to win.

Trump will just want to suppress black voter turn out and Bloomberg will give him an easy way to do it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

65. Who gives a ***t what Trump hammers?

That's all he ever does, anyway - whine - cry - bellyache, then repeat as necessary.

Voters will have to see beyond his "hammering", or else they'll get 4 more years of the same.

[BusyBeingBest]

70. I don't think the Nazis-have-some-good-people guy is going to get anywhere

with attacking Bloomberg on a policy that was started by Giuliani.

[Blue_true]

100. Plus, Trump wanted the Central Park Five executed, he has

historically discriminated against Black peoples in housing and employment.

Screw people that keep harping on stop and frisk, Trump has an atrocious record on race issues, I want someone who has shown the ability to hit back facing Trump, I will take my chances from there.

[Blue_true]

99. Trump supported execution for the Central Park Five.

Trump also actively discriminated against Blacks that were seeking housing and jobs with his businesses.

Which is worse, a ham fisted attempt to reduce gun violence in Black communities, or a person that SYSTEMICALLY discriminated against Black people simply because they were Black?

Bloomberg's campaign appears to be the best organized one in the race. I would guess that they know that Trump is going to try to demonize Bloomberg on stop and frisk, the problem for Trump is Bloomberg has a lot more ammunition in that area than Trump has.

I want someone that is fucking going to punch Trump back hard. Let Trump go after stop and frisk like some here are breathlessly saying, Trump opens up a chasm on himself then.

[bluewater]

102. "Bloomberg has a lot more ammunition in that area than Trump has." THAT DOES NOT MATTER.

Trump is not counting on black voters to win.

Trump wants to discourage black voters from voting.

Trump will hammer Bloomberg on race until too many black voters say to hell with both of them.

That is why Bloomberg should not be our 2020 nominee, he simply has too much racial baggage that Trump will gleefully exploit in the General election.

In regards to Trump himself, we both are in total agreement, he is a racist piece of crap.

Thanks for the discussion.

[Blue_true]

106. Your claim was that Trump could use stop and frisk to neutralize Bloomberg.

He can't. If Trump raises that issue and Bloomberg handles it correctly, Black people will crawl over burning coals to vote against Trump, not FOR Bloomberg, AGAINST Trump.

[bluewater]

107. That is my contention and I stand by it.

Widespread discussion of Stop and Frisk will, in my "considered" opinion, discourage too many black voters and will help to elect Trump.

Time will tell, but I hope Bloomberg is not our nominee and that it will never come to that.

[Blue_true]

108. Bloomberg has shown that he is willing to punch Trump in the mud.

That is something Hillary failed to do in 2016 and Joe Biden is not doing today. Trump brought women that accused Bill to a debate and sat them down front, Hillary regrettably ignored that and didn't hit Trump back on rape allegations against him. We just can't have that this time, IMO. If Biden or Warren don't win the nomination, I want Bloomberg as the nominee, I believe that we could win then and take all of Congress.

We just have to agree to disagree.

[bluewater]

111. Thanks for the discussion.

I think we both made our points clearly and civilly.

We agree about Trump 100%.

Let's hope he gets defeated no matter what.

Thanks for the discussion.

[kstewart33]

27. Bingo.

Put the smelling salts away, Dems. And vote for the guy who can beat Trump.
Because Bern as the nominee with be a five alarm fire for our democracy.
Our democracy can't survive four more years of Trump.

[Garrett78]

11. He's also been buying support for decades. Anyone supporting him should be deeply embarrassed.

[BeckyDem]

15. +1.

[Skya Rhen]

17. I completely agree - shameful

[Squinch]

67. You know what will be embarassing? When our generation is the one that lets our Democracy

and our rule of law go down the crapper.

[BeckyDem]

13. Read up on who he is:

Marc Lamont Hill @marclamonthill
Bloomberg said: “Double the class size, with a better teacher, is a good deal for the students.” This is wrong. And dangerous.

Link to tweet

[Laelth]

22. Bloomberg may be a sexist and racist pig, but ...

... that's not a weakness this year. As everyone knows, compared to the Great Pumpkin, Bloomberg is a saint.

The weaknesses described in the OP, while damning, mean little or nothing in 2020 just because of the inherent nastiness of our opponent.

-Laelth

[bluewater]

26. It's too early to overlook Bloomberg's flaws.

Pete is a man of honor and I would vote for him in a heartbeat if it comes down to Pete or Bloomberg.

Prematurely overlooking Bloomberg's obvious flaws and baggage is not the thing to do this early in the 2020 primary.

[Laelth]

33. Bloomberg's flaws won't be overlooked, I don't think.

He'll be exposed. As Mayor of New York, he already has been ... plenty. I just don't think it will matter in November. Compared to Trump, Bloomberg looks like an angel.

And yes, thank you. I'd much rather vote for a more honorable nominee, but I also think that Bloomberg can beat Trump in November, no matter how flawed he may be.



-Laelth

[Baclava]

44. "Sure he's a sexist and racist, but he's OUR sexist and racist" Not a winning campaign strategy

[Laelth]

46. You are right, of course, but I doubt Bloomberg will adopt that as his campaign slogan. n/t

-Laelth

[jcmaine72]

54. Sorry, but that should not just be a "weakness"

but being racist and sexist should be absolutely reprehensible and inexcusable under any and all circumstances. Whataboutism doesn't cut it here. Just because the reTHugs choose a gargoyle to lead their party doesn't mean we should do the same.

We need to be better than this. Being sexist and racist is not who we are as Democrats or what we support.

If we really aren't any better than this, what the fuck are we as Democrats? What do we stand for? If we nominate a racist and sexist on par with the one we're trying to oust from the WH, we certainly can no longer claim with a straight face that we're the party that unconditionally opposes both, can we??

So what's our new pitch if Bloomberg is our nomination: "Vote the straight Democratic ticket. Now 25% less racist and sexist than our competitors".

No thanks!

[Laelth]

59. Bloomberg's "weaknesses" are not dealbreakers as far as the American electorate is concerned.

Exhibit A: Donald J. Trump (of "grab them by the pussy" fame) is the President of the United States.

Exhibit B: I can't think of one. The first one is shocking enough to prove my point.



-Laelth

[jcmaine72]

66. Which half of the American electorate is that?

The drool-dripping, knuckle-dragging, gun-totin', tobaccy-chewin' racist australopithecines that make up Dotard's base?

How about we try to energize the other half of the electorate instead who aren't interested in voting for a racist and/or sexist, like POC and woman (any pro-Bloomberg Democrats here remember those two vital groups? Just an FYI, they used to be an integral part of OUR base).

Who knows, we might just win the election without having to compromise every single principle we've fought for as a party for decades.

[Laelth]

74. I very much appreciate Senator Sanders' dedication to liberal principles.

I share those principles. I also think that Daffy Duck could beat Donald Trump in 2020. Daffy knows what the American people know, and it's a message that, I think, the American people are prepared to deliver to the Great Pumpkin later this year:



Thus, I am not terribly concerned about Michael Bloomberg's "weaknesses."

-Laelth

[jmg257]

24. Bloomberg - Nothing like settling! Nt

[bluewater]

32. So we should expect to see people selecting Bloomberg as their preferred candidate?

Last edited Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Not many have taken that step yet here on DU.

I think for good reason.




EDIT: Whoooosh. Your comment went over my head. lol

I see what you did there.

[Laelth]

36. Nice. That's funny (as ironic slogans go). n/t

-Laelth

[BusyBeingBest]

31. He's lucky that the MeToo thing seems to be on the wane. But a lot of this

was known decades ago, before he served as Mayor. I figured he was part of the raunchy, sexist workplace culture up through the nineties and beyond. What mitigates it somewhat, to me, is that he never seemed to have a problem promoting women and apparently was always pro-choice. Also, he raised two daughters to adulthood who are apparently good people. So, again a mixed bag, still not enough to make me refuse to support him if Amy can't go forward.

[mopinko]

49. ya know, so far, i havent seen anything that is strikingly different than most ceo's.

except the parts where he did so much better than most.
tho there was a sexist corporate culture, i have yet to hear anything about his own behavior that upsets me much. smart ass comments, yeah. assaults? no. sexual misconduct? no.
but many women in high places, and however reluctant, accommodation for new moms. i keep thinking about stephanie ruhle. she has a lot of good things to say about working for him.

likewise unions. the police climate in nyc sounds just about like chicago's. ritchie daley didnt love the police union here, either. not real big on the teachers union either. both sectors had a lot of problems that the unions werent dealing w. bad cops and bad teachers hanging on for years, or given golden parachutes. those things are always contentious, and go to court, and the city takes the opposite stance to the union, and that's how laws work.

and take my word for it, if i was rich, powerful and single, i'd be getting laid at every opportunity. till i hear from some former partners that he was a shit, i'm not going to equate having a lot of sex w being a bad person.

my ears are open. but i havent heard anything yet that puts him on a different plane than most white old men.

[BusyBeingBest]

58. Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm trying to be fair, because he has a very different

background than someone who's been building a political career for most of their lives. He's also old. Men in their 70's have been sexist (such as it is now defined) most of their lives without even probably realizing it. My Dad is 78, this pretty much defines him. He's a good guy and was always respectful to women, but if you took his jokes and posted them online, they would look...not good
So I'm more concerned about actions and especially future plans than I am about past mouthing-off behavior.

[Blue_true]

105. When I was young, I would have jumped in bed with a woman

that aroused me in a heartbeat, if she was not married or dating a friend or relative. Times were vastly different then, men that bedded lots of women and didn't make a mess of it were looked up to, sad but true. And even women of that era (80s, early 90s were not like today, I am honest here, I had women that I had no sexual interest in ask whether I was gay because I didn't want to sleep with them), were different. Anyone who lived in a college dorm during that time know what those places were like, workplaces were not much better.

Maybe some men that came of age when I did behaved differently, I will tell you that I never came upon such men. What disgusts me is men that were almost certainly engaging any desirable woman that gave them an eye are setting themselves off as saints now and criticizing the Bloomberg of 40 years ago like they were saints then. I honestly don't care how many women Bloomberg bedded if it all was consensual, I honestly have better things to get upset about, hopefully he remembers some of his better encounters with fondness today, like I do.

[CousinIT]

34. It's a rare wealthy male who has not assaulted or abused women or girls

If there are any at all.

[Fresh_Start]

53. why would you limit that to wealthy males? nt

nt

[33taw]

50. Sadly, Democratic candidates and surrogates have not learned that attacking each other is a losing

effort. Bloomberg is appealing to some because he does not engage in attacks on his democratic opponent but rather Donald Trump. He has zeroed in on the real target. The other candidates are fighting the battle with an obsolete methodology.

[Laelth]

77. Obsolete. That word stuck out to me.

I think you are right. We are in a new political era. Our candidates are all trying to win the nomination. Traditionally, they have done so by pointing out how they are "better" than our other candidates. We may be witnessing the demise of this model.

Interesting. Thank you.



-Laelth

[Amimnoch]

85. Exactly. His total focus on Tramp, and hard hitting approach with it

is exactly the ONLY thing that has won me over to him.

It was what I loved about Joe early on as well. Last Summer he was all about going only after trump and ignoring the shit being flung his way by his primary opponent. He was polling very high then. Correlate his decline in polls to his responding and counter attacking, they trend pretty evenly.

At least in the primary season, I'm behind the person who will go hard and viciously after Tramp. I refuse to be side tracked by any shit dug up by his primary opponents.

As long as Bloomberg keeps that laser focus going, and the other candidates keep on focusing more on each other.. Bloombers my choice.

Bloomberg 2020..

OR

ANY Democratic Party Candidate BUT Bernie 2020

[ismnotwasm]

51. He has

One of My favorite bloggers, who stays mostly neutral while supporting Democratic principals, is an anti-Men’s Rights Activists blogger, has been following the various cult like behavior of these guys for years. Anyway, he came out with a documented list of some pretty vile shit Bloomberg has said.

[flamingdem]

83. Let's lessen the purity tests, we're dealing with a psychopath

and a mesmerized and devoted cult that will vote for him.

Whomever is the best for the job of removing tRump I say, and it's not a pretty job.

[melman]

84. Bloomberg berated a female employee who had trouble finding a nanny. "It's a f------ baby!"

".?.?. All you need is some black who doesn’t have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building.”

Link to tweet

[treestar]

88. This is a pundit created thing

He's not doing so much better than other candidates. He's not even on the ballot in many places. Why is he so "viable?" I guess there is nothing else to talk about on the TV shows.

[Vivienne235729]

90. And tet, here he is. He'll just stick to attacking Trump and his #'s will keep rising.

Y'all, he is what he is and....OH YEA! He's got a ton of $$$ that will buy him voters. The sharp marketing, branding, soundbytes from his his campaign MACHINE will all have far more impact than any sound discussion. So we can discuss all this stuff from the past, but it won't compete w short attention spans and savvy soundbytes. I may be wrong, but I just don't think most people out there are interested in any vetting process.

[AlexSFCA]

101. comments or actions?

only actions matter.

[bluewater]

104. "only actions matter" um, speech is an action.

It's why we have slander laws.

It's why there are work place harassment laws. Verbal harassment matters and is actionable.

Go into work on Monday and verbally harass a co-worker. Let us know how that shakes out.

[liberalmediaaddict]

110. Every candidate has character flaws

And skeletons in their closet. Even Uncle Bernie. Basically what's happening is Democrats are disqualifying every single candidate that's been running since 2019. That's around 2 dozen people that we decided along with the media that weren't perfect or "electable" enough to be President.

My point is that if Democrats don't stop with the circular firing squad we are going to get our asses kicked in November.