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NJCher

(35,619 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:52 AM Feb 2020

Sanders Demolishes Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar Head-to-Head, Says New Poll

attn Warren supporters: stick with it to the last paragraph.

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Yahoo News and YouGov are out with a new poll showing that Sanders beats all of his top competitors in head-to-head races. He currently wins at least 53 percent of the vote against Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar, none of whom break more than 38 percent. The matchup is closer with Biden, who gets 44 percent versus 48 percent of Sanders. But the tightest race is with Warren, who trails him 42 percent to 44 percent, with plenty of undecideds.

It’s just one poll. But it does seem to reflect one of Sanders’ often overlooked strengths: The man is incredibly well-liked by normal Democratic voters. Sure, he might terrify some Democratic National Committee officials and cable news talking heads. Hillary Clinton and her hangers-on still have it out for the guy. But according to Morning Consult, he’s got a 74 percent favorability rating within the party, higher than any other candidate. A lot of current Biden, Buttigieg, Warren, and even Bloomberg supporters currently list him as a second choice.

This might not make a ton of sense if you assume that voters pick their candidates on strictly rational ideological grounds. But that’s obviously not how the world works. People vote for candidates because they’re familiar, because they seem trustworthy, or just because they’re kind of likable. There are some Democrats out there who are probably planning to vote for Bloomberg right now because they’ve been inundated with his ads, but otherwise would default to Sanders because they’ve been hearing his name since 2016 and kind of enjoy the guy’s attitude. It might not make sense to a news junkie, but in the grand scheme of American voters, news junkies are really the outliers. (note from OP: this means you! And me, too!)

It’s possible that candidates like Klobuchar or Buttigieg could gain ground one-on-one against Sanders as they become more familiar to the national electorate. But if moderates take this latest head-to-head poll seriously, it really suggests that—as of now—their best shot at beating Sanders is to coalesce around Biden or Warren. Personally, I’d suggest the latter. Biden still has residual love left over from his days as Joe the Veep. But watching him talk feels like staring into an RCA TV from 1985 with a busted antenna: The picture and sound are half static, and you’re never really sure when the whole thing is going to break down for good. Warren, on the other hand, is a vibrant, avowed capitalist who has pretty much promised that she won’t waste time trying to pass single-payer health care. Sure, her campaign’s flagging, but in our current election cycle, this staunch progressive just might be the last great neoliberal hope.

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Sanders Demolishes Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar Head-to-Head, Says New Poll (Original Post) NJCher Feb 2020 OP
Bernie's not my first choice this time, but he has his strengths. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #1
...and his weaknesses brooklynite Feb 2020 #6
Sure. He's an old Democratic Socialist. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #8
Name a single candidate without those. OliverQ Feb 2020 #19
None whatsoever..but Sanders' weaknesses seem to exceed the others brooklynite Feb 2020 #20
Really? His weaknesses seem less than others, especially Biden and Bloomberg. OliverQ Feb 2020 #22
Praising Castro won't help win Florida Mz Pip Feb 2020 #24
No Democrat is winning Florida. OliverQ Feb 2020 #25
Bern baby Bern! jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #2
Data from wacky polls is meaningless. democratisphere Feb 2020 #3
But there is something to be said for putting up the candidate who has the highest favorables (nt) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #4
Favorables from wacky polls are also meaningless. democratisphere Feb 2020 #7
Can you point to any favorable/unfavorable poll that you don't think is wacky? thesquanderer Feb 2020 #12
If any other candidate had such a positive favorability rating, folks would be touting it. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #9
if i am correct about who you are speaking of questionseverything Feb 2020 #33
define "wacky poll" NJCher Feb 2020 #13
Not a wacky poll. Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #15
YouGov is a wacky online poll with a B minus rating. democratisphere Feb 2020 #16
I'm puzzled by your term NJCher Feb 2020 #18
See if this helps. democratisphere Feb 2020 #21
I know what it means NJCher Feb 2020 #28
For the definition of "wacky", calguy Feb 2020 #29
why aren't you a real NJCher Feb 2020 #30
Oh you don't believe in life after love?!1 HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #26
Meaningless...Primaries aren't necessarily a head to head matchup brooklynite Feb 2020 #5
Not meaningless if it tells us that no other candidate appeals to more Dems than Sanders does. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #14
Shouldn't he direct his ire at 45 jrthin Feb 2020 #10
I appreciate both Sanders and Bloomberg for their attitudes mdelaguna Feb 2020 #11
The MSNBC and CNN punditry should read this article. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #17
And if they don't want Bernie, MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #23
... HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #27
Ummmmm me Olafjoy Feb 2020 #31
apprciate your work questionseverything Feb 2020 #34
I don't see what is likable about him creeksneakers2 Feb 2020 #32
There it is! AmericanGraffiti Feb 2020 #35
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
1. Bernie's not my first choice this time, but he has his strengths.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:54 AM
Feb 2020
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BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
8. Sure. He's an old Democratic Socialist.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:36 PM
Feb 2020

Amazing the support he has retained even with so many other choices this time around.

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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
19. Name a single candidate without those.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:38 PM
Feb 2020
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brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
20. None whatsoever..but Sanders' weaknesses seem to exceed the others
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:57 PM
Feb 2020
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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
22. Really? His weaknesses seem less than others, especially Biden and Bloomberg.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:47 PM
Feb 2020
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Mz Pip

(27,430 posts)
24. Praising Castro won't help win Florida
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:56 PM
Feb 2020

The GOP have 40 years of opposition research. They’ll use it.

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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
25. No Democrat is winning Florida.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:00 PM
Feb 2020

And Praising Castro would only affect the older Cuban vote. The rest of Latinos are more liberal and don't care about Castro.

The GOP's years of oppo research is meaningless. Most of the crap they have, no one cares about and there is nothing on Bernie that Trump hasn't done far worse. Bernie is still superior to Trump every way imaginable.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. Data from wacky polls is meaningless.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020
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thesquanderer

(11,971 posts)
4. But there is something to be said for putting up the candidate who has the highest favorables (nt)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:21 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. Favorables from wacky polls are also meaningless.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,971 posts)
12. Can you point to any favorable/unfavorable poll that you don't think is wacky?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:49 PM
Feb 2020

Because from what I can remember, Sanders beats most if not all other candidates in any favorability poll I've seen. They can't ALL be wacky, right?

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. If any other candidate had such a positive favorability rating, folks would be touting it.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:36 PM
Feb 2020

But this is a site where a racist, misogynistic asshole who has been buying support for decades is somehow acceptable.

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questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
33. if i am correct about who you are speaking of
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:48 AM
Feb 2020

he is also a republican

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NJCher

(35,619 posts)
13. define "wacky poll"
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:55 PM
Feb 2020

Please include methodology in your explanation.

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Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
15. Not a wacky poll.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

Not meaningless.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
16. YouGov is a wacky online poll with a B minus rating.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:04 PM
Feb 2020

Later mentions BS socialist position and how it is a known vote killer.

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NJCher

(35,619 posts)
18. I'm puzzled by your term
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:34 PM
Feb 2020

"wacky." I think you may be trying to say something else.

And dependence upon one polling organization doesn't produce a very significant statement

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NJCher

(35,619 posts)
28. I know what it means
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:05 PM
Feb 2020

thanks for the link, but unnecessary.

I guess we English professors would call this a word choice problem.

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calguy

(5,292 posts)
29. For the definition of "wacky",
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:05 PM
Feb 2020

Look into a mirror for five minutes.

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NJCher

(35,619 posts)
30. why aren't you a real
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:07 PM
Feb 2020

knee slapper!

What a wit.

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HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
26. Oh you don't believe in life after love?!1
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:04 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
5. Meaningless...Primaries aren't necessarily a head to head matchup
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:23 PM
Feb 2020
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thesquanderer

(11,971 posts)
14. Not meaningless if it tells us that no other candidate appeals to more Dems than Sanders does.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:01 PM
Feb 2020

Different people may prefer different other candidates (which is why he may just get 25%-30% if running against a whole bunch of them), but -- besides leading in votes -- it does provide another way to show that no SINGLE candidate has as much support as he has, even if an amalgam of ALL the other candidates polls better (i.e. why he wins with just 25% or whatever). The thing is, there's no way to actually vote for an amalgam of all the others... in the end, you can only vote for one. So this kind of theoretical head-to-head further demonstrates that, if we can have only one candidate, Sanders is the one with the most support. Which I think is interesting information.

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jrthin

(4,833 posts)
10. Shouldn't he direct his ire at 45
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:36 PM
Feb 2020

and not the Dem. candidates? Isn't his behavior destructive to the Dems?

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mdelaguna

(471 posts)
11. I appreciate both Sanders and Bloomberg for their attitudes
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:43 PM
Feb 2020

Would be glad to vote for either (or any other nominee). Just their ‘tudes match the anger (fire!) I perceive is needed for these times.

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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
17. The MSNBC and CNN punditry should read this article.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:13 PM
Feb 2020

They seem to have convinced themselves that supporters of other candidates fall into the "never Bernie" category. Somehow the race is a two person match between Bernie Sanders and everyone else and everyone else put together means Sanders is losing. Facts say otherwise.

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MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
23. And if they don't want Bernie,
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:53 PM
Feb 2020

Warren is the one with the best shot to beat him.

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Olafjoy

(937 posts)
31. Ummmmm me
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:39 PM
Feb 2020

and my suburban college educated women friends who are In our 40’s. And 50’s who vote in every election and knock on doors and register voters and who are regular Democrats here in Arizona don’t like Bernie. Sorry. We don’t. So don’t generalize and say we do. Thank You.

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questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
34. apprciate your work
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:50 AM
Feb 2020

when is the last time az went dem in a presidential election?

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creeksneakers2

(7,472 posts)
32. I don't see what is likable about him
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:51 PM
Feb 2020

He pokes and lectures.

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