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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:21 PM Feb 2020

WAPO: Calm down. Democrats are not in disarray.

Just imagine if Democrats still don’t know who their nominee will be after two whole states have voted, with only 48 left to go. What ever will they do?

Oh please. Everyone just calm down.

People in politics suffer from a kind of myopia, in which what’s right in front of them, being in sharp focus, seems like the most important thing that has ever happened or will ever happen. This Changes Everything, we say over and over, despite the fact that the last 10 or 15 events that were supposed to Change Everything turned out to be so inconsequential that we’ve already forgotten what they were.

And what is it that’s happening now, this extraordinary disarray that threatens to destroy Democrats’ chances of winning in November? You might want to send the children out of the room before I tell you: Presidential candidates are criticizing each other.

And also, at least one candidate many thought was a serious contender (Joe Biden) is faltering. And a candidate many think will struggle in a general election (Bernie Sanders) looks strong.

What a calamity! Has any party ever witnessed such madness?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/11/calm-down-democrats-are-not-disarray/
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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WAPO: Calm down. Democrats are not in disarray. (Original Post) ehrnst Feb 2020 OP
Ahhhhh. A voice of reason at last... The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #1
I agree. Some are hyperventilating and act as if doom and gloom are upon us if choice XXX or SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #2
Remember the Republican party when Trump started getting traction? Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #3
There was an attempt to take Trump off the ticket by GOP leaders ehrnst Feb 2020 #4
This Moderateguy Feb 2020 #11
Yes, "Democrats in Disarray" is a Republican Story McKim Feb 2020 #5
This Story has been rewritten upteen times since Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #6
If we nominate Bloomberg we will be. The ACTUAL left will stay home more than in 2016.nt m-lekktor Feb 2020 #7
more than they did in 2016? And now Gorsuch & Kavanaugh sit on the bench....the scorched earth stewrat Feb 2020 #8
Yep the far left still hasn't learned from 2000 and 2016 huh... caber09 Feb 2020 #12
Well, so good that you can predict the future for the entire Democratic Party Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #21
Bernie and AOC are not the base.. caber09 Feb 2020 #27
Bernie can win in the general. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #30
No. They are not "the base." ehrnst Feb 2020 #28
Correct... caber09 Feb 2020 #29
so the "LEFT" is going to deliver us 4 more years stopdiggin Feb 2020 #15
Threats? Really? gembaby1 Feb 2020 #17
Ahhh, here come the threats Dem2 Feb 2020 #20
Did the media find the Republicans in disarray in 2016 treestar Feb 2020 #9
some, yes. and there was certainly resistance to Trump (nt) stopdiggin Feb 2020 #14
Yep, amazingly, they did. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #31
Haha. A much-needed reality check. Mike 03 Feb 2020 #10
We have a good strong field of candidates cp Feb 2020 #13
That is a very important point. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #32
I agree. Don't let the media fool you. Dems will be fine and fired up in Nov. Pepsidog Feb 2020 #16
Pundits are so used to a 2 person horse race, they struggle with the complexity of 6+ candidates Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #18
Exactly. KPN Feb 2020 #19
Well, yes and no. Laelth Feb 2020 #22
Amen! Hulk Feb 2020 #23
Paul Waldman is the author. Nt spooky3 Feb 2020 #24
We are not in disarray but the country is, big time yaesu Feb 2020 #25
Agreed. This "Democrats in disarray" thing. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2020 #26
republicans arrrrh recidivists. Mersky Feb 2020 #33
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
1. Ahhhhh. A voice of reason at last...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:26 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
2. I agree. Some are hyperventilating and act as if doom and gloom are upon us if choice XXX or
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:27 PM
Feb 2020

option YYY or candidate ZZZ are this, or do this, or are that, in this area, etc. It's part of the primary / caucusing process that we're undergoing. All normal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quixote1818

(28,936 posts)
3. Remember the Republican party when Trump started getting traction?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:30 PM
Feb 2020

Talk about disarray! It was chaos and yet Trump still squeaked out an illegal win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
4. There was an attempt to take Trump off the ticket by GOP leaders
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:33 PM
Feb 2020

but Pence refused to step into the POTUS position. He wanted to get there by vote, and not be a default.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
11. This
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:36 PM
Feb 2020

The media seems to have forgotten the absolute mess the Republican primaries were in 2016..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
5. Yes, "Democrats in Disarray" is a Republican Story
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:33 PM
Feb 2020

Yes, “Democrats in disarray” is a Republican story that they want put through the endless echo chamber. Don’t feed it. Just quietly keep pushing the ideas you want on our platform and advocating for the candidate that will bring what you want the most for America. Act with forethought and dignity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. This Story has been rewritten upteen times since
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:56 PM
Feb 2020

last fall. Just more and more of the Right Wing Propaganda Machine,seen this before and more of these stories are going to pop up on every Media Source in the coming months.

The Disinformation Machine is just getting started.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
7. If we nominate Bloomberg we will be. The ACTUAL left will stay home more than in 2016.nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:58 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

stewrat

(50 posts)
8. more than they did in 2016? And now Gorsuch & Kavanaugh sit on the bench....the scorched earth
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:30 PM
Feb 2020

campaign by the ACTUAL left makes no sense to me. At least with a moderate they have a seat at the table, if they want it. with Trump, you get jack shit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

caber09

(666 posts)
12. Yep the far left still hasn't learned from 2000 and 2016 huh...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:37 PM
Feb 2020

If Bernie is the candidate everyone else will stay home...and his turnout blows despite the hype....theyll show up to rally but not to vote...getting rid of Trump is THE most important thing..giving him the Socialist boogey man to run against would be doing him the greatest of favors. Remember the blue wave was moderate, both in 2018 and 2019...the squad won in blue areas...Omar and Tlaib will prob be gone...the revolution has yet to show up ever. The far lefts purity tests are complete BS and hinder our side...especially when Bernie and the AOCs cannot even pass their own purity tests..The lesson that was supposed to be learned in 2000 was ignored in 2016...lets not have history repeat itself again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
21. Well, so good that you can predict the future for the entire Democratic Party
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:08 PM
Feb 2020

You don't see the center right disavowing their base, the teabaggers. Michelle Bachmann wasn't ridiculed and insulted by her own party. The religious right is embraced not ignored like Dems ignore Unions.

When Occupy was crushed, RepubliCONS knew they could get away with anything because liberals were disavowing and crushing their very own supporters.

Bernie and AOC voters are the Democratic base and if Dems crush them, they crush the spirits of their own party. Dems are Not light RepubliCONS. They are liberals. Beating up the most liberal of liberals only hurts the Dems own voting base.

The most liberal voters are the ones who bring the enthusiasm, spirit and drive to defeat the status quo, a wannabe dick tater and a rigged system. Crushing our left of left will crush the spirit of our party. And that's exactly why Putin puts out lies about Bernie and AOC.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

caber09

(666 posts)
27. Bernie and AOC are not the base..
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:00 PM
Feb 2020

I am from 2 districts over from AOC..she isnt even the base of the Queens NY democratic voter let alone the nations...enough with the BS rigged system...Bernie lost by 1000 delegates and millions of votes, then proceeded to bash Hillary/Dems until after the convention. In 2008 in a much closer primary, Hillary got more votes and delegates were extremely close, she dropped out immediately and gave a rousing unity speech. Putin is laughing at the far left helping to do his bidding. We have been hearing about this new base of the Dem part party for years. The blue waves of 2018 and 2019 were not far left at all, they were moderate candidates. Dems ignore the unions? The Bernie wing is trying to dismantle union fought for insurance plans taking choice away, thats supporting unions? Come on. The far left has not won a darn thing, usually when they run it results in less Dems in office and more Rs in office...I hope losing committee chairs, supreme court for decades, judges in the justice system, reversing every single piece of progress has been worth it to you. If Bernie somehow is the nominee I will vote for him, I hope the far left will do the same when its not Bernie, this time around instead..the Revolution in Iowa and NH didnt show up in the numbers Bernie promised/expected, whose to say they will show up in other more center left states. You want to get rid of a dictator...dont give him a boogey man to run against.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
30. Bernie can win in the general.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:45 PM
Feb 2020

I don't care that Bernie lost the last election. The whole Democratic party lost the last election. We need to come together to win this next election.

Do you think the tea baggers were the RepubliCON base?

The far left is the left. Like the far right is the right. As RepubliCONS have become more powerful, they have Not become more liberal or even centrist. They have become more right wing. The left will not win by being more conservative, centrist or being RepubliCON light. We have to follow the example of the winning party and become more like ouselves...liberal.

Putin in no way wants Bernie or AOC. His government much like Trump's is ultra conservative. That's why he backs Trump. Because Trump is a right wing facist similar to Putin.

Running a right leaning liberal will ensure that people vote for the real right leaning candidate, the RepubliCON. Because the people get the message that right wing is good from both sides. They never get the message that the left is good. That's why Obama did so well. He came out talking like a real liberal. America responded to that.

I think the Democratic party already has one boogeyman to run against and he's destroying our democracy. Next to Trump, Bernie looks like a kitty cat.

But in the end, I'm going with the Democratic candidate whoever he or she is. I will drive people to the polls and make phone calls for whoever is nominated. The Democratic party will win, our democracy depends on it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. No. They are not "the base."
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:13 PM
Feb 2020

The base chooses the POTUS nominee.

They chose Hillary Rodham Clinton, by a margin of nearly 4 million.

AOC was elected when her opponent didn't show up to a debate, phoned it in the rest of the time, and only 15% of the voters felt enthusiastic enough about either one of them to bother voting in the primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

caber09

(666 posts)
29. Correct...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:17 PM
Feb 2020

Amen...The far left mobilized to the hilt only beat the base who didnt show up at all in numbers and a candidate who phoned it in by 4K, if Crowley didnt do something stupid and become a lobbyist after leaving office he would prob win a rematch...she currently has 9 primary opponents including 6 Rs...the Rs smell blood in an otherwise safe seat..she is not as safe as people assume she is in her district. The rest of AOC backed candidates got smoked in the surrounding areas..so yes she isnt even the base of the Queens NYC Dem party let alone the Dem party nationally, thank you for pointing out the fact ehrnst!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

stopdiggin

(11,306 posts)
15. so the "LEFT" is going to deliver us 4 more years
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:44 PM
Feb 2020

of Trump? Sounds about right!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

gembaby1

(253 posts)
17. Threats? Really?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Feb 2020

Then I don’t think you’re serious about saving your country. Seems more like it’s your way or the highway. Why don’t you come right out and state the obvious. You’re a fifth column.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
20. Ahhh, here come the threats
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

Awful, awful AWFUL!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. Did the media find the Republicans in disarray in 2016
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:31 PM
Feb 2020

when they had so many candidates? Probably not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopdiggin

(11,306 posts)
14. some, yes. and there was certainly resistance to Trump (nt)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
31. Yep, amazingly, they did.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 08:32 AM
Feb 2020

Remember they were fielding a large rather contentious bunch of nitwits. Their infighting, sniping, and gaffs were reported by the media as indicative of lacking clear and cohesive leadership in a party that had been in opposition to a popular president. When Trump began to emerge as the frontrunner, I definitely saw opinion pieces that asserted his imminent candidacy showed the GOP was in disarray. Because if they hadn't been, Trump wouldn't be happening. That was a theory then at any rate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
10. Haha. A much-needed reality check.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:34 PM
Feb 2020

I thank you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cp

(6,628 posts)
13. We have a good strong field of candidates
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:39 PM
Feb 2020

We have enough for a Prez, VP, and whole cabinet, all wonderfully talented.
We have the chance for attention on big ideas, how to improve lives, tackle climate change AND keep the mob boss unable to focus his vengeance on any one candidate until much later this summer. At which time we'll be energized, supportive, and getting out the VOTE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
32. That is a very important point.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 08:33 AM
Feb 2020

Whoever becomes president will have a wealth of talent to draw upon for the critical appointments he or she will be making.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
16. I agree. Don't let the media fool you. Dems will be fine and fired up in Nov.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
18. Pundits are so used to a 2 person horse race, they struggle with the complexity of 6+ candidates
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:50 PM
Feb 2020

The fact that we have more than two viable candidates now, and for the next month or so at least, seems to confuse a lot of pundits.

I’d like to Think Democrats can walk and chew gum and deal with the complexities our party has the courage to face, without pearl clutching and hand wringing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
22. Well, yes and no.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

It's no time for party-wide panic. With that I agree, but the Democratic Party that I know and love is almost always in a state of disarray. I quote the great Will Rogers who said, "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

Some things never change.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
23. Amen!
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:27 PM
Feb 2020

I've had the same question..."what the f*ck are these pundits even talking about?"

Sometimes 4 or 5 at a time, wringing their hands and talking to themselves in order to waste time and hear their own voices on replay.

Absurd!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

spooky3

(34,452 posts)
24. Paul Waldman is the author. Nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:31 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
25. We are not in disarray but the country is, big time
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

as a matter of fact the Democratic party is the anchor, the adults in the room, the only hope we have for beating fascism, the only hope. The party is as steady as the USS Enterprise when she fought fascism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DinahMoeHum

(21,787 posts)
26. Agreed. This "Democrats in disarray" thing. . .
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:45 PM
Feb 2020

. . .is such a bullshit narrative from a MSM that is:
1) too lazy to see and to show that this is not so
2) unable to stop acting as if Democrats and Republicans are the same species.

BTW, seems like Howard Dean's "50 State Strategy" has been revived by the current heads of the DNC, at least when it comes to fundraising:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/02/06/democrats-have-successfully-implemented-a-50-state-strategy/

What we have is a Republican Party that has become increasingly dependent on large donations from outside groups and a Democratic Party fueled by grassroots donations directly to candidates. That is how a 50-state strategy is attempting to level the playing field in the era of Citizens United.


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Mersky

(4,981 posts)
33. republicans arrrrh recidivists.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 01:18 PM
Feb 2020

Repeat offenders recklessly relying on reptilian responses to racist rantings of a ruble rustling reprobate.

I prefer consonance that conveys truth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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