Biden calls on Sanders to take accountability for supporters' threats

[Gothmog]

Link to tweet

Joe Biden called on Bernie Sanders to accept greater accountability for tactics and rhetoric of his staunchest supporters and do more to discourage it, after what he called the “outrageous” threats on a prominent union that criticized his healthcare plan.

Representatives of the powerful Culinary Workers Union, which represents 60,000 workers supporting Nevada’s gaming and hospitality industries, said this week that supporters of the Vermont senator had “viciously attacked” its members after its leadership warned about the risk to their negotiated health plans under a Medicare for All system.

In an exclusive interview airing Sunday on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Biden said the Vermont senator “may not be responsible for it, but he has some accountability.”

“You know me well enough to know if any of my supporters did that, I’d disown them. Flat disown them,” Biden said. “The stuff that was said online. The way they threatened these two women who are leaders in that Culinary union. It is outrageous. Just — just go online.”

[Cha]

1. Thank you, Joe Biden!

[redstateblues]

3. Good luck! Bernie doesn't believe it's his peeps. As if

[Woodycall]

58. Maybe it's not...

[calimary]

75. Denial can run deep sometimes.

I remember how freakin’ AWFUL some of ‘em were around here in 2016. We were bullied, attacked, insulted, ganged up on, and a bunch of us were run off this site. It was NO fun at all being on the receiving end, and heck, I wasn’t even one of the main targets.

Won’t forget.

[Joinfortmill]

72. Love Joe

[Kurt V.]

2. he did make a statement to just that. keep up joe. :)

[Cha]

5. Biden's right on target..

[Kurt V.]

18. I'm still thinking biden is going to win. lol. but hey, thats ok

[Cha]

19. Biden makes excellent points.. it was inexcusable..

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

55. Joe Biden speaks for me

[emmaverybo]

81. Yep. Thanks, Cha. This is what Biden is calling for.

[Cha]

87. you've welcome, emmaverybo.

[Gothmog]

23. I have seen the conduct of sanders vettted delegates up close and there is a pattern

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders by Russia to suppress the African American vote just as was done in 2016

Link to tweet

Russia will just run material showing sanders delegates booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and others to suppress the vote of African American voters and I feel that this tactic would be very effective

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

The conduct described by the sanders supporters attacking the Union is consistent with what I saw and experienced first had

[Kurt V.]

26. gothmog i really do feel that stuff was awful and i wish it didn't happen to you and your fam.

i know politics, since our birth, is ugly and crass every 4 years

[Gothmog]

27. This is not normal conduct by vetted delegates

I know the delegates to the National Convention in prior years. In 2008, my middle child was the chaperone for a group of High School students attending the National Convention and she did not see this conduct. In 2012, Juanita Jean and her husband were delegates to the 2012 convention and they did not see this conduct.

This is not normal conduct.

[Kurt V.]

30. we are definitely not in normal times. ✌

[Thekaspervote]

101. There is no excuse for this. Sanders could put a stop to it but he chooses not to

[Joinfortmill]

73. Jeez, terrible

[ramen]

63. Can you (or anyone reading this) fill me in on the facts of this whole thing?

Google's returning pretty conflicting results and I am unclear on what is alleged and-or what happened.

[UniteFightBack]

17. Oh yeah he had a very dump like response...and is desperate to muddy the waters. That is NO LEADER.

Nope.

[Gothmog]

20. That statement claimed that all campaigns were engaged in this conduct

This reminds of the National Convention

Link to tweet

[Kurt V.]

21. There was that one. i said the same as you. then the one where where he said *we don't want you*

[Gothmog]

24. Has sanders apologized to John Lewis or Elijah Cummings' widow yet?

Joe is calling out the same conduct that I saw at the National Convention by vetted sanders delegates. There were planned stunts of booing Congressmen John Lewis and Elijah Cummings. My whip warned me about these stunts 20 to 30 minutes before they occurred.

If sanders is the nominee, the GOP and Russians will use these stunts to suppress the vote of African American voters. There was a ton of real anger at the National Convention about these stunts

Link to tweet

[Cha]

25. Exactly!! and "floating" this..

Link to tweet

[emmaverybo]

83. So even the statement is weak and deflects. Wow! "I urge MY supporters" fixed it for ya, Bernie.

[lapucelle]

29. BS made a statement taking accountability for his supporters threats?

Do you have a link?

[Kurt V.]

31. he did and i don't

[Cha]

35. Uh no..

Link to tweet

[Kurt V.]

40. i wish i could have watched that. its one of the few channels i get.

[betsuni]

96. It's on YouTube:

[lapucelle]

46. That sounds like a refusal to accept accountability. N/T

[Cha]

48. Precisely.. any wonder why I appreciate Biden calling him out?

[Perseus]

80. Or it could be he knows its not coming from his camp?

Have you thought of that? Why should he take accountability if he knows its trolls doing it on his name?

republicans and Russians are well known to do that, they do want t divided Democratic party, they were successful at it in 2016 and they are doing it again, and many of us are playing the game.

This is horrific what is happening at DU, this effort to throw crap on candidates that are not our choice. This will not end up well, if we loose in November because of this division that is being created, eating our own, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

I have to think there are trolls in DU, not sure how people can be vetted in DU, but real DU members have to avoid commenting on all this crap.

[lapucelle]

104. BS witnessed the behavior a the McIntyre-Shaheen Dinner in NH.

Not only does BS know it's coming from his camp, but he has also HIRED twitter trolls as senior staff and surrogates.


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[lapucelle]

105. "Bernie Sanders's Supporters Doxed a Critic on Twitter"

Unhappy [about a] tweet...shown on MSNBC when they covered the #MyBernieStory hashtag campaign, Sanders campaign employees and several notable supporters are encouraging the doxing of that detractor.

Here is Sam Seder, retweeted by Dave Sirota (senior advisor and speechwriter for the Sanders campaign), retweeting doxed info:

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Here’s Briahna Joy Gray, Sanders’s National Press Secretary, encouraging others to dox the critic.

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/14/1879124/-Bernie-Sanders-s-Campaign-Doxed-a-Critic-on-Twitter

[lapucelle]

42. He didn't and I do.

"Harassment of all forms is unacceptable to me, and we urge supporters of all campaigns not to engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks," Sanders said. "We can certainly disagree on issues, but we must do it in a respectful manner."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-seeks-smooth-nevada-union-tensions-rivals-pounce-n1136451

There's no accountability in the BS statement.

accountability

the quality or state of being accountable especially : an obligation or willingness to accept responsibility or to account for one's actions

[Cha]

44. Touche'!!!

[lapucelle]

47. ...

[Cha]

34. I have this..

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

94. In that interview Sanders again tell us that he and the American people

don't believe billionaires, CEOs, "the Pharma industry" can contribute to candidates "out of the goodness of their hearts," that they want something.

Again telling his supporters wealthy people can't be liberal and care about society, that money always turns people into cartoon villains.

[emmaverybo]

79. Obviously "statement" not cutting it. Joe wants Bernie to find the heck out if any of his folks are

behind it and if so fire ‘em. That is bottom line leadership. God knows Joe’s been stung by the dirty tricks.

[Cha]

6. Biden is very much "relevant".

[UniteFightBack]

9. You sound mad bro.

[Cha]

10. ..

[evertonfc]

7. Some Sanders supporters

are vicious. They are not members of our party and will a pain going forward. They live in a constant state of perceived victimization and if you don't support Bernie your a corporate shill or elites. If they lose, they will raise hell and scream it was stolen. They mistakenly think that they are a majority voice. Bernie is almost a messianic figure. Now, this isn't most supporters, I supported Bernie in 2016 but he has a radical group within his supporters that are going to be a real pain in the ass for us. You'll see them at the convention. Trust me

[UniteFightBack]

12. They want to be a pain in the asssssss.....well we gonna bring gallons of Preparation H. nt

[democrattotheend]

38. I suspect some of the most vicious are not real Bernie supporters

I wouldn't be surprised if they are the digital equivalent of the people Nixon used to send to anti-war rallies to burn American flags and make the whole anti-war movement look bad.

But I agree with Biden's general point - Bernie needs to do more to disassociate from these people, whether they are legit supporters or not. I, too, supported Bernie in 2016 but felt uncomfortable with the most radical faction of supporters.

[Salviati]

99. On the other hand...

... just because a group is made of democrats/lliberals/or progressives, doesn't mean that it won't have any assholes in it. Any group of people, selected by any criteria, is going to have some assholes in it. Denying this is just succumbing to the no true Scotsman fallacy...

[QualTest]

8. Hmmmm....

I truly love how a candidate is supposed to be responsible for, and apologize for
every possible person who happens to align themselves with their campaign. But,
especially so if it's Sen. Sanders!

This post sounds like a bit of a red herring to me based on this:
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/02/nevada-culinary-union-unite-here-sanders

Just trying to keep good information flowing...

[UniteFightBack]

11. He HIRED them. He knows DAMN well. nt

[QualTest]

13. Yes, I'm sure...

Ever managed a large organization?
30+ people, several managers, lots happening daily?

That's actually a small organization, but I can tell you, you can't watch over
every single person, all they do and say, what they're working on....

If you think that translates up to thousands, or multi-thousands...

You have no idea. 1 person is supposed to have every single person under
their umbrella in complete alignment...

Yeah, right....

[UniteFightBack]

15. I guess YOU HAVE NO IDEA that this has been brought to his attention. nt

[Hekate]

59. Worked for both the County and the University, each with thousands of employees. Behavior...

...that reflects badly on the employer and is done in the name of the employer is going to get someone fired. F I R E D. T E R M I N A T E D.

You bet it gets back to those in charge, when done in the name of the employer.

Bernie Sanders, as always, is being disingenuous.

[emmaverybo]

85. THIS.

[Autumn]

36. Are you saying the people Biden is complaining about were hired by Bernie? Link? Proof?

[Cha]

14. And, Biden's calling for Full Accountability.

[lapucelle]

32. "Good information"? ...The Jacobin?

[George II]

57. Just check out how Gray, Turner, and Sirota "behave" on twitter. His supporters follow their lead.

[Gothmog]

16. I have to watch Meet The Press tommorow

Link to tweet

[Cha]

22. Indeed! So appreciate that this is

being called OUT.. it needs to STOP.

[emmaverybo]

86. Said like a leader.

[Gothmog]

108. I love Joe's Meet the Press interview

[liberal N proud]

28. Seems all too familiar

[Gothmog]

50. Yes it does

All of this reminds me of the conduct of vetted sanders delegates. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop the booing of JOHN Lewis and he declined

[Cha]

54. Have you read this post, Goth?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=522693

[Autumn]

33. How does Joe even know for a fact that they were Bernie supporters? Or a part of Bernies movement?

He doesn't. Bernie doesn't know either. Trolls and plants are everywhere. Yeah, just go on line. You can't disassociate yourself from anonymous people of the internet. That's not how it works. You can disown family members but you can't disown people you don't know.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. Bernie needs to flog himself through the streets over anonymous twitter commenters!

[Autumn]

41. Good God.

[Gothmog]

78. How about just apologize to John Lewis and Elijah Cummings' widow

[Cha]

109. Perfect! And, James Clyburn, too?

[krissey]

103. Sanders can start by owning it instead of coming out saying "all" campaigns. Dismissing

the problem within his organization It doesn't help the people hired and the people he puts up as endorsement behave like this too. And Sanders does not call it out. When addressing the harassment and inequality withing his campaign, he states ALL campaigns, again. It wasn't ALL campaigns but saying that lets him and the people causing problems off the hook. Sanders is responsible and eggs it on. He is constantly creating agitation among his supports to the Democratic Party and the leaders pumping these feelings. It is on Sanders. After five years of hearing people call Sanders out should clearly show the issues.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. LMFAO!! YOU'RE ON A ROLL!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[redstateblues]

53. Give me a break!

It was a problem in 2016 and it is now. He's never addressed it honestly. The old "I don't know who they are" is not credible

[FreeState]

82. This

I voted for him in 2016 - I won’t be doing that again in the primary. His failure of leadership lost me. His campaign is no different than red hats at this point.

[Hekate]

61. Then why in hell doesn't Bernie vigorously denounce them, if they aren't?

[tishaLA]

37. "The way they threatened these two women"

The "two women" part is important here because it's part of the pattern.

[Cha]

45. Exactly.

[Wellstone ruled]

43. Today while waiting to cast our ballots.

Just happened to chat with a few Culinary as well as SEIU Members whom we recognized from Voting in previous years. Each one had a incident with a Sanders supporter that was less than Cordial .

[Cha]

52. WOW.. on the ground report. Thank you, Wellstone ruled

[Wellstone ruled]

64. Four years ago

was a fright. Just a hand full of very disruptive people spoiled the day for hundreds. Most people do not like people getting in their Face about not supporting their Candidate,or someone talking smack about your choice.

[Gothmog]

68. Culinary Union officials face profanity-laced attacks after scorecard says Sanders would end health

Link to tweet

In one email, which the union provided to the Independent, Culinary leaders are referred to as “corrupt mother fuckers” and says that it’s “time for people like me to go after you.”

“This is your chance to fix your mistake before the millions and millions of Bernie Sanders supporters will find you and end your ability to earn a living,” the email says. “We will find you corrupt mother fuckers of that you can be sure and we will make sure you wallow in poverty and suffering.”

“Apologize and fix your mistake or else you will pay … I know tens of thousands of Bernie supporters and we will come after you fascist imbeciles,” it continues. “#Bernie2020 #NotMeUs.”

Khan said the union has received dozens of phone calls, more than 300 emails and thousands of tweets over the last 48 hours.
The attacks against the hotel workers’ union come in the wake of the public release of a scorecard, which The Nevada Independent first reported on Tuesday, that criticizes the Vermont senator over his position on Medicare for all by saying that he would “end Culinary healthcare” if elected president. The union, which runs a health trust that covers 130,000 members and their families, opposes any single-payer, government-run health insurance system that would eliminate their much-loved health plans.

The union has been circulating the scorecard via text and email to their members, as well as back of house in Las Vegas hotels. Though the union declined to endorse a Democratic presidential candidate on Thursday, it has about 100 organizers dedicated to generally turning out union membership to this year’s caucus.

[Wellstone ruled]

74. Yup,heard that story first hand this afternoon.

Her response was,good lord,I feel for those Bernie Supporters if this came from another Party. She was wearing a Amy Badge which the Poll monitor asked her to remove. No Campaign material within 300 feet of a polling station.

One Mom brought her daughter with and the daughter was wearing a Bernie shirt and the same Poll monitor asked her to remove it or cover it up.

[aikoaiko]

49. Have the Culinary folks published the threats? I haven't seen them.

[Hekate]

62. If the comments were on Twitter or FB, they are freely availavle to all

[Gothmog]

69. Here you are

Link to tweet

In one email, which the union provided to the Independent, Culinary leaders are referred to as “corrupt mother fuckers” and says that it’s “time for people like me to go after you.”

“This is your chance to fix your mistake before the millions and millions of Bernie Sanders supporters will find you and end your ability to earn a living,” the email says. “We will find you corrupt mother fuckers of that you can be sure and we will make sure you wallow in poverty and suffering.”

“Apologize and fix your mistake or else you will pay … I know tens of thousands of Bernie supporters and we will come after you fascist imbeciles,” it continues. “#Bernie2020 #NotMeUs.”

Khan said the union has received dozens of phone calls, more than 300 emails and thousands of tweets over the last 48 hours.
The attacks against the hotel workers’ union come in the wake of the public release of a scorecard, which The Nevada Independent first reported on Tuesday, that criticizes the Vermont senator over his position on Medicare for all by saying that he would “end Culinary healthcare” if elected president. The union, which runs a health trust that covers 130,000 members and their families, opposes any single-payer, government-run health insurance system that would eliminate their much-loved health plans.

The union has been circulating the scorecard via text and email to their members, as well as back of house in Las Vegas hotels. Though the union declined to endorse a Democratic presidential candidate on Thursday, it has about 100 organizers dedicated to generally turning out union membership to this year’s caucus.

[aikoaiko]

92. Thank you. Is this really over one email?

I don't condone the letter, but there isn't a physical threat as some have claimed.

Trying to end ones career over public pronouncements is part and parcel of the cancel culture these days.

[Gothmog]

97. Read the material

There were far more than one email

[still_one]

51. I wouldn't hold my breath

[yaesu]

56. Where's the beef? nt

[Iamaartist]

60. Me & hubby will watch that Sunday,thanks for infor...

[DarthDem]

65. Awesome

Training some fire on Sen. Sanders' campaign for these outrageous actions. I love it.

[hay rick]

66. "Online supporters" are not staff or employees of the campaign.

And they are as likely to be trolls or bots as actual supporters. Any candidate that "takes responsibility" for the posts of "online supporters" is way too stupid to be president. Notice Joe said "some accountability"...an intentionally vague standard.

[emmaverybo]

88. He said DO something. Find out if anyone with the campaign is behind this. And a leader can

find out.

[Laelth]

67. Joe. Joe!

You are the presumptive favorite. You have given your life to public service. You were the Vice President of the United States. You were a Senator for decades before that. You are (and must be) above petty BS like this. I am forced to assume that you are getting some really bad advice.

Sigh. 😢

-Laelth

[emmaverybo]

90. Not petty. If you know Joe, you would know how he feels about threats against women. And these

were violent sounding threats. Bernie’s statement was not strong enough. Joe calls for action. Bernie could have said I will try to find who is behind this and if they work for me, they are GONE!

There is history here.

The history is that Bernie washes his hands. The history is that Bernie supporters and HIRES
have conducted themselves badly in the past without Bernie speaking out, stopping the behavior, getting rid of dirty dealers.

[Stuart G]

70. READ POSTS 23 & 43. IF BERNIE CANNOT CONTROL HIS PEOPLE, HE'S A POOR LEADER

...Post 23 is a person in our community saying what he saw...

...Post 43 says he talked to people who saw Sanders supporters act wrong, today..

Who are you going to believe?

Gothmog in post 23 actually saw this happening.

quote from post 23..:"In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis"


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Wellstone ruled..talked to people TODAY..and confirmed this...Sanders supporters act rude and disrespectful, .....................but......

...Sanders does little to stop this....... (this is my opinion, based on these posts.)

Keep this in mind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Over the course of 4 years of campaigning, Sanders cannot control his people. (if Gothmog and Wellstone ruled are telling the truth..)...How the hell can Bernie be a good President, if he cannot control his own people? He has been told on several occasions about this, and has done nothing.!!!!

[Gothmog]

98. The Clinton campaign had a whipping infrastructure in place

My whip warned me of these stunts in advance. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop these stunts and he declined

I do not mind being yelled at, cursed at or being told that I was a bad Jew for not supporting sanders, but my daughter and others were upset. Yelling at a lawyer is a waste of time. For the last night, the Texas party made the head of the sanders delegation sit in between one really bad sanders delegate and some female delegates who were very upset

[demofan40]

71. There's no petty BS

Sanders supporters have been engaging in dirty tricks since last election and Sanders has been allowed to distance himself from their dirty behavior. To feign innocence time and time again. Once or twice you could possibly understand. But this has been happening way too many times.

Good for Biden for being another prominent democrat to start calling him out. Honestly, they all should ban together and hammer Sanders over this.

[emmaverybo]

91. Yep. All. I think that would do it.

[highplainsdem]

76. K&R

[emmaverybo]

77. I could tell he is honestly disturbed about this. Big supporter of women against violence. All

Bernie needs to do is say hey, not in my name, and then as Joe says, find out who. Be sure the threats and doxxing not coming from anyone in his campaign. Just makes sense.

[Eric J in MN]

84. Without the names of people

...who wrote offensive emails, there is no way to know which candidate they support.

Even if an email says “I support Sanders” that may be a false flag.

[emmaverybo]

100. Could be, but is Bernie trying to find out? Trying to be sure no one in the campaign is behind it?

[NCProgressive]

89. It is Bernie's implied support and adoration of such behavior that emboldens the bad actors

[William769]

93. Kick & recommended.

[betsuni]

95. K&R

[krissey]

102. Yes Joe. Right on. That attacks over the years against women says it all.

[Scurrilous]

107. ...

[Cha]

111. Indeed..

[Gothmog]

110. The coffin stunt is so very offensive but fits a pattern

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

112. Now we have fist fights at sanders events

Link to tweet