What Sanders actually said: "Being pro-choice is an absolutely essential part of being a Democrat"

[DanTex]

People can agree or disagree with that, but at least let's get the quote straight.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/klobuchars-big-tent-stance-on-abortion-could-appeal-to-southern-democrats-232930989.html

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread DanTex.

[Cal Carpenter]

2. Kick

[Cal Carpenter]

3. Kick

I'm just gonna try to keep this thread right near the one with the fake quote. lol

[Horizens]

4. One would think that

being a democrat is an essential part of being a democrat.

[Cal Carpenter]

5. Right because when a candidate is on a stage being asked by an interviewer

in front of an audience about abortion, they should say "being a democrat is an essential part of being a democrat."

Because that makes sense.

[Skittles]

8. I actually would like to hear that

if the person is not an actual DEMOCRAT

[Cal Carpenter]

11. Bernie's votes in the Senate go against Trump more often

Than 45 people with a D next to their name.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

If that's not good enough, I don't know what to tell you.

[Demsrule86]

13. I don't care what folks say about this...I remember important votes...like guns, immigration etc...

where Sanders did not vote with us... And no matter how you try to spin it, Sanders has rejected the Democratic Party using it in Vermont to get elected and then reverting back to being an independent after the election...when you reject the party, you send a message that it is not good enough...add that to the constant criticism of the party by Sanders...and I believe he drives away people who might otherwise become members.

[PTWB]

32. It is very likely sanders will swap to independent if he wins the 2020 election.

[Demsrule86]

34. He might...hasn't ruled it out has he?

[Skittles]

38. yup

he's an opportunist, a user

[tishaLA]

6. I guess I'd wonder about campaigning for

someone who's not pro-choice in that case.

[DanieRains]

7. You Can Be Pro Choice And Pro Life

Pro Life = Giving sick people medical treatment that doesn't bankrupt them.

Not attacking pregnant women.

Pro Fetus is what Republicans are. Once the baby is born, they don't give a damn about it.

The Republican Pro-Life Plan Below.

Food stamps? Gone.
Healthcare? Repeal Obamacare.
Drug Prices? As high as possible!
All money for military and billionaire corporate tax cuts. Healthcare, meh.

[Voltaire2]

24. Sorry but "pro life" in politics means anti abortion.

Using an out of context meaning of a word or phrase to prove a point is a rhetorical fallacy, specifically an equivocation fallacy.

[DanieRains]

33. The Right Wing Stole "Pro-Life" They Are Truly Pro Fetus Life Means Nothing

Life means nothing to corporate prostitute lemmings.

[krissey]

9. Anti abortion. They are no more pro life than the rest of us.

[Lunabell]

10. Because my body belongs to me.

Not the state.

[Demsrule86]

12. Yeah, I know. I looked at the transcript...but what you miss is Sanders said just the opposite

when he campaigned for Heath Mello and Tom Perriello both pro-life Democrats who had sponsored and/or voted against legislation that took away abortion rights. Mello in the Nebraska legislature and Perriello in the House...he voted for the Stupak amendment which caused a loss of protection for abortion rights in the final ACA bill. We were treated to a finger wagging lecture from Sanders about this...so that is why people are kind of put out about his complete reversal...some might say convenient reversal. I say we welcome pro-life but our party is for pro-choice in our platform...so you abstain on bills having to do with abortion or you vote with us...neither Mello nor Perriello did this. You can be pro-life and pro-choice...believing that abortion is a bad thing but that a woman has the right to make that choice...neither Mello nor Perriello...and Sanders endorsed and campaigned for both supported a woman's right to choose and both actively worked to deny such a right...in fact the fear in VA was that if Perriello got in,he would side with the legislature on this matter.

[DanTex]

15. Would you prefer a Republican to Mello or Perriello? I wouldn't.

He supported them against Republicans, not over fellow Dems.

What's funny is that all the people who attacked Bernie for the Mello endorsement (and not Tom Perez, who also endorsed Mello), then turned around and also attacked Bernie for supporting a pro-choice primary challenge to the anti-choice Dem Henry Cuellar.

Which just goes to show that these attacks on Bernie aren't based on any kind of principle.

[Demsrule86]

19. Dan...he changed his tune...I would never have campaigned for either Mello or Perriello.

First of all, I don't give to shits who is the mayor in some city in Nebraska...slap in the face to women to campaign for a guy that sponsored anti-choice legislation and passed it...he actively took rights away from women. Perriello signed the Stupak amendment so I would not have campaigned for him either...nor supported him. He hurt the ACA in terms of a woman's right to choose. Now Sanders is suddenly all in for pro-choice. Really.

[DanTex]

22. Umm, like I said, would you rather a Republican win than either of those?

Bernie's always been strongly pro-choice, but he also recognizes that we need to win elections against Republicans. He's always been like that. It's his critics that change their tune.

Like when they attacking him for supporting a pro-choice primary challenge to a pro-life Dem. The same people. It's silly.

[Demsrule86]

35. Perez didn't to my knowledge...link?

[Demsrule86]

14. I would also add that Roe is probably gone thanks to the election of Trump and the judges he

appointed. I have to say, I don't think Sanders worked hard enough to help elect Hillary Clinton in the general.

[DanTex]

16. Bernie did a lot more events for Hillary than she did for Obama in 2008.

[Demsrule86]

18. Absolute nonsense...both she and Bill were all in on Obama in 08 and 12...Sanders famously

said it was up to her to get his supporters to support her...and he didn't nothing for several months after she clenched the nomination...he didn't do enough IMO.

[DanTex]

20. It's a fact. He did more events than her. Period.

[Demsrule86]

21. No he did no such thing ...that is a claim made by the Sander's campaign and is not true... I

volunteered and worked for the Clinton campaign...I know what Sanders did or didn't do.

[DanTex]

23. Yes, he absolutely did.

Bernie did 39 rallies for Hillary.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/30/politics/bernie-sanders-umbrage-clinton-2016/index.html
Hillary did 27 rallies for Obama.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clinton-points-2008-model-2016-template

[LeftTurn3623]

25. Hey don't let facts get in the way of a false Narrative

I have heard that excuse over and over and it simply is not true.

[Demsrule86]

36. Not true no matter how may times the campaign says it.

[DanTex]

37. CNN and MSNBC are not the Sanders campaign.

[wyldwolf]

26. As someone who's been on DU almost since day one...

...I've seen plenty of Bernie-style "progressives" scoff at the idea that the consequences of lost elections are right wing judges. Very few consider the long game.

[bluedye33139]

17. Janet Reno is a good example. Pro-life but pro rule of law

There are a large number of people who oppose abortion but who affirm and understand that life in a secular society means that we must accommodate religious difference. And opposition to abortion is a religious dogma. Enforcing it with the power of the government is wrong. If we lived in a theocratic state, then pro-life people would legitimately be able to control reproduction. But we do not.

[rzemanfl]

27. Yet. n/t

[J_William_Ryan]

28. True.

"Being pro-choice is an absolutely essential part of being a Democrat"

True – regardless one’s position on abortion.

All Democrats recognize and defend a woman’s right to privacy; where it’s perfectly appropriate and consistent for individual Democrats to oppose abortion and seek its end consistent with the Constitution and its case law.

[GemDigger]

29. He should tell that to democratic women who cannot have children for whatever medical reason.

[Prue]

30. Democrat Respecting Choice without Force

My perception of what being a democrat means is not forcing my beliefs and choices on others and respecting them to make their own choices that work for them.

I don't say this to be rude but the fact is Bernie is not a Democrat so I understand why he doesn't understand what being a democrat means.

[cilla4progress]

31. What's the Dem party plank

on choice?