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Quixote1818

(28,927 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 01:24 AM Feb 2020

Jon Ralston also said Sanders folks threw chairs back in 2016

which turned out to be false: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

I would take anything he says against Sanders supporters with a grain of salt until it can be confirmed by an actual news source.


Snip:

CounterPunch took an even more vitriolic approach to correcting the record:

Jon Ralston, the dean of political reporting in Nevada, has spread nothing less than a pack of lies about what went down at the state’s Democratic convention. No chairs were thrown at the convention.

Ralston reported live from the convention for most of the day, but decided to leave before tensions boiled over. Nevertheless, it was taken as a simple fact that he had observed Sanders supporters throwing chairs when “Roberta’s Rules” were enforced with finality at the end of the proceedings.

As it turned out, Ralston finally admitted that he hadn’t seen this himself but was relying especially on local reporter Andrew Davey. Davey first said he had still frames showing the chair throwing which he would publish. He has not produced the stills in question, but did retweet a still image of a chair held high that was initially posted on Reddit.

In spite of the fact that the whole thing was filmed live from multiple angles, no one has any images or video of even a single chair, let alone chairs plural, being thrown.

Rachel Maddow ran a deceptive clip on MSNBC saying chairs were thrown while reportedly showing footage of chairs thrown at a wrestling production. People on social media then insisted that networks had shown actual footage of chairs thrown at the convention. Maddow retreated only a bit by having Ralston on to say that even though he had not seen the chairs thrown, other eyewitnesses have told him the video is wrong. CNN had Debbie Wasserman-Schultz on to denounce Bernie Bros throwing chairs at the stage.

Hours and hours after the woman who took and posted the original video showing the raised chair has offered to talk to any media that will listen, none have. Sanders supporters have now promised to donate $100 to Clinton’s campaign or vote for her in California if anyone can produce video evidence of the phantom chair throwing.

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Jon Ralston also said Sanders folks threw chairs back in 2016 (Original Post) Quixote1818 Feb 2020 OP
He accurately predicts election outcomes every year. RandySF Feb 2020 #1
You need video? What we did see was an aggressive push against the line, a behavior that krissey Feb 2020 #2
More Ralston... squirecam Feb 2020 #3
People were rightfully frustrated as you can see from this video Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #4
The behavior was atrocious. People left the stage out of fear. Sanders didn't apologize at the least krissey Feb 2020 #5
 

RandySF

(58,728 posts)
1. He accurately predicts election outcomes every year.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 01:26 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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krissey

(1,205 posts)
2. You need video? What we did see was an aggressive push against the line, a behavior that
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 03:04 AM
Feb 2020

had Democrats leaving the stage because of behavior that was aggressively scary. THAT is on video for all to see. Want to argue the throwing chair? Fine. It was bad behavior. Getting into a woman's face and yelling at them, ect. It was an ugly time.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
3. More Ralston...
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 03:30 AM
Feb 2020

Jon Ralston
@RalstonReports
Note to self: After linking to story about bad Sanders supporters, turn off Twitter mentions for a day or two as they prove the story’s point. Chair-truthers and users with un-clever handles. Yes, the worst people on the web
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Quixote1818

(28,927 posts)
4. People were rightfully frustrated as you can see from this video
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 03:38 AM
Feb 2020

Had this happened to ANY candidate the supporters would have been dismayed.


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krissey

(1,205 posts)
5. The behavior was atrocious. People left the stage out of fear. Sanders didn't apologize at the least
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 03:54 AM
Feb 2020

and should have been pissed as hell and called out his supporters at the most. Instead he made excuses, pretended it didn't happen or wasn't bad. Then the chair situation became either video or it didn't happen. But we do know that the people behaved poorly.

Here we are four years later still pretending there is any validation to the outrageous behavior of these people.

Democrats, do not behave this way.

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