Democratic Primaries
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Pretty disqualifying, I would say:
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,968 posts)but that isn't one of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)of the Canadian prime minister.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)The competitors are concerned about this major faux pas .
On a spectrum where 10 is totally disqualifying and 0 is not at all, this would be a 0.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Everyone has gaffes.
Pete forgot how to speak Spanish. Warren forgot that VP Biden was in the executive branch.
Focusing on this stuff rather than the issues means we have already lost as a party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,493 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Warpy
(111,428 posts)At least she's not campaigning on building a stupid wall on the border.
Brain farts happen. We've got worse problems to face than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)Stress can do that to you. I don't think it will happen again. I think she probably has some helpers who advise her on de-stressing herself regularly (I don't mean with alcohol or drugs). I do hope there are natural strategies that can be used in such cases. (I personally would recommend swimming, if she has an indoor pool available...it's a great exercise, very de-stressing and not hard on the aging bones).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Warpy
(111,428 posts)which is a shame considering his considerable successes as a reformer, something that country has needed badly.
I suppose it's because most foreign leaders get little press unless the Orange Twit writes a mean girl tweet about them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
duforsure
(11,885 posts)How many times has trump not known peoples names, countries and other important things, or just lies . Amy is very electable, especially over trump and the GOP. Anyone is better than trump or the GOP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,346 posts)Before doing that, a quick course in Latin American leaders would be mandatory for me, anyhow. Frankly, I didn't know Obrador's name, either. I would have known it, though, before being on a TV show on Telemundo.
I hope she is embarrassed by this. She should be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,968 posts)Still, I wouldn't call it disqualifying, just an own-goal that shouldn't have happened and that she'll have to avoid repeating.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Don't care about actual progressive leaders across the borders. Instead they talk about Venezuela.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,739 posts)and asylum seekers in on the border?
It looked to me like she was tired and "off." As in the beginning, when she said, "first 100 years" then corrected herself.
I'm betting that she knew the name and had a lapse. Happens sometimes when people are harried in campaign season. Not the first or last candidate to slip up during a campaign. I remember some speaking gaffs that Hillary made in her appearances.
But this gaff will not endear her to Latin American voters. She will need to recover from it somehow to get their votes
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,269 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,346 posts)carrying on past Super Tuesday. She's already on that ballot, so why not let it go until March 4. I suspect, though, that after the South Caroline primary, it will be clear to her that there is no path to the nomination. I suspect she already knows that.
I still like her as a VP nominee, though. I think she'd be pretty much ideal for a moderate nominee to pick.
Given four or eight years as VP, and I think she'd be primed for becoming President. She's good, but just a little too provincial at this point, I believe. I think she needs more exposure to the broader national picture before running for President.
That's how I've felt all along, and I like her a great deal, indeed. She'd be the only presidential candidate I ever met on the way up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,739 posts)Biden is the most qualified for the job, but never has been a good campaigner. Klobuchar could help him.
Also, due to his age, I think Biden would serve only one term if elected. Amy could take over then.
We need some young people for the future of the nation
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,346 posts)Her recent improvement in polling results makes that even more clear. I think she will be carefully considered by anyone who gets the nomination except, perhaps Bernie Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Thought she might want - or need? -to know the name of the President whose country is one our borders.
Immigration, citizenship, and refugee laws
Oversight of the immigration functions of the Department of Homeland Security, including U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Ombudsman Citizenship and Immigration Services
Oversight of the immigration-related functions of the Department of Justice, the Department of State, the Department of Health and Human Services Office of Refugee Resettlement, and the Department of Labor
Oversight of international migration, internally displaced persons, and refugee laws and policy
Private immigration relief bills.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)At least in campaign mode
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)at the moment or she just didn't know. I'm sure she kicked herself for not having that ready. But I don't think it's a big deal. She'll hopefully know what info to have ready next time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
a kennedy
(29,762 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Let's not deflect this. The comb stuff was laughable. This is not laughable. We need to salvage as many Hispanics as possible in 2020, since they typically show benefit of a doubt to the incumbent, more than issues would suggest.
We can't give them any excuse to rationalize a shift toward Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iggo
(47,587 posts)I'll give her a pass.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)bits of foreign policy knowledge - I'll admit, I laughed when Herman Cain came right out and said he was going to say "Hey, I don't know" if he was asked to name the president of some far off, little known country - but honestly, I would expect someone running for president to memorize - at minimum - the names of the leaders of Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Egypt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iggo
(47,587 posts)I'm for Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I give Iggo a pass for not knowing the answer without Google, Amy? Nah.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Iggo
(47,587 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I am watching this closely.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demofan40
(45 posts)She flat out lied this morning. Sunny Hostin asked her about the Burrell case five days before on The View.
How is she going to sit there now and say that she wasn't aware of the information when you just talked about it on The View not even a week ago? It's BS.
I've been side eyeing her for a while now with her little digs at Buttigieg. But I'm really questioning her now after reading more about her past record. I don't trust her.
She should be getting the same scrutiny that Bloomberg is getting. And certainly that Harris got.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)The defendant was tried and convicted twice. Amy was not involved in the second prosecution.
On appeal, the defendant claimed he had witnesses to support him, but they recanted or failed to show. Even after multiple continuances were given. Amy has called for a further review, and thats the appropriate step.
The case info is here. For those who want FACTS and not a drive by smear job.
https://cases.justia.com/minnesota/supreme-court/2015-a13-1769.pdf?ts=1423072899
On July 17, 2013, the postconviction court denied Burrells postconviction petition. The court determined that Burrell had provided virtually no additional evidence, and that the substance of any new evidence was highly speculative and likely cumulative. The court concluded that it had provided Burrell with opportunities to present evidence from the witnesses, time for counsel to explore possible remedies to secure the witnesses testimony, and multiple continuances. The court also held that it had no authority to issue a bench warrant for Browns failure to appear at the March 26 or March 27, 2013, hearings because Brown had not been properly served with a subpoena for those dates
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)A smear job is when you put your lipstick on sloppily, Amy has much to answer for here and it has nothing to do with lipstick.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)To throw it on the wall to see if it sticks.
The previous poster did an excellent job of explaining.
The defendant was tried and convicted twice. Amy was not involved in the second prosecution.
On appeal, the defendant claimed he had witnesses to support him, but they recanted or failed to show. Even after multiple continuances were given. Amy has called for a further review, and thats the appropriate step.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CalFione
(571 posts)Nothing is disqualifying, as Trump has shown us.
Everyone of our candidates has SOMETHING that other people are calling "disqualifying".
A momentary brain fart where she forgets a name is by no means "disqualifying".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)more thoroughly.
I wonder how Warren, Biden or Pete would have done in this situation. Were they asked?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Warren claimed she is the only person running with executive experience
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren said she was the only White House hopeful who has spent any time in the executive branch on government at an Iowa rally, seemingly forgetting about.....oh you know....the VICE PRESIDENT....
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9IkmhEEpe6zsA0KrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyc3FiZmNmBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjg2OTJfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1581941025/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2fnews%2fwarren-claims-she-is-the-only-person-running-with-executive-experience/RK=2/RS=wGm0UhJEBbnTilg3DtDL5TbO6xk-
Thats a really good question. Let me remind you, I think, Im the only one running for president whose actually been on the executive side, Warren said Friday evening. Remember, after the consumer agency was passed into law, Barack Obama, President Obama, asked me to set it up. So I set up a federal agency. We effectively went from two employees the day I walked in the door to about 1000 and spent a year getting it up and operational.
Give me a break with this stuff. Amy didnt know a name. Warren forgot about our own Vice President. Every candidate has such moments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)federal agency from scratch - even having to fight against some Democrats while doing so?
Yes, he was Veep and, IMO, a good one, so long as President Obama was in the Oval Office. He also received nearly unanimous Democratic support at the time. But he derives his luster primarily from that association.
What exactly did he DO on his own then that compares with Warren's experience?
Warren may have misspoken, which I am not sure of because you are citing a RW news source (the Washington Examiner), but she was not completely off the mark even if she did say this.
You're using "what-aboutism" here. Not a good look to justify Amy's misstep.
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This OP refers to an interview with a Latino channel ... Amy SHOULD have been prepared for such a question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(29,014 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Fucking tool.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,739 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Thanks for your concern.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,739 posts)assumption is disqualifying.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)So you think its appropriate for you to call a candidate a f* tool?
This is what the forum is coming to?
Cant we focus on actual issues anymore?
All of this stuff is riling people up. When the focus should be upon facts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)you know the man she has repeatedly said wouldn't be on stage if he were a woman. Maybe he was on that stage because he knew what the heck he was doing unlike her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Warren forgot about VP Biden being in the executive branch. All candidates have errors.
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9IkmhEEpe6zsA0KrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyc3FiZmNmBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjg2OTJfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1581941025/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2fnews%2fwarren-claims-she-is-the-only-person-running-with-executive-experience/RK=2/RS=wGm0UhJEBbnTilg3DtDL5TbO6xk-
If this is the junk people are focusing on, we as democrats have already lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)your lying source did find he glitched on a word, by the way by that standard, Amy doesn't speak English from the same interview. BTW at the same forum he give this answer in flawless Spanish.
Link to tweet
and this one.
Link to tweet
But I will say, as cringe worthy as that interview was I would be less into it if she hadn't on more than one occasion stated that my candidate is only on the stage because he is a white male (never mind that gays can be fired from their jobs in 29 states, denied the ability to rent apartments and adopt children in 29 states, denied service in eateries in 29 states etc). That is why this matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)means you should know nothing about topical and important information totally germane to the subject. Got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shenmue
(38,506 posts)This can be cured by a two-second search. Ease up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dflprincess
(28,093 posts)And you're not doing an interview on Telemundo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunasun
(21,646 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Thats a really good question. Let me remind you, I think, Im the only one running for president whose actually been on the executive side, Warren said Friday evening. Remember, after the consumer agency was passed into law, Barack Obama, President Obama, asked me to set it up. So I set up a federal agency. We effectively went from two employees the day I walked in the door to about 1000 and spent a year getting it up and operational.
This is stupid gamesmanship. Every candidate has such errors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zeus69
(391 posts)...when supporters of other candidates chirp "disqualifying!"
It's knee jerk.
By the loose criteria being used, every candidate should be "disqualified" by now.
Joe - lying, dog-faced pony soldier
Pete - wine caves
Elizabeth - Native American ancestry
Bloomberg - S&F
Bernie - I'm a Socialist
It's already getting old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Impact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
apcalc
(4,465 posts)How to be insufferable and snapping at staff.
Oh, you didnt know about them?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Epic!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)As if some unknown keyboard warrior decides that. Rich!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iggo
(47,587 posts)Apparently we don't have ANY qualified candidates!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)And I agree. It's getting old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gollygee
(22,336 posts)so I guess we get 4 more years of Trump? Republicans vote for Republicans and don't "disqualify" them for things we can't even imagine in a candidate. I don't want to see us that far gone, but for God's sake we need at least a little party unity if we're going to win anything at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IcyPeas
(21,932 posts)this was from Jake Tapper's show. the one panelist (sorry don't know his name(no pun intended)) mentioned that trump doesn't know the names of countries and/or cities either).
I think they should have known (Klobuchar and Steyer) considering they were being interviewed by Telemundo.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/14/klobuchar-steyer-buttigieg-name-mexican-president-lead-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunasun
(21,646 posts)should at least have done their home before going on telemundo to get votes .
She really was stretching it there .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peequod
(189 posts)A stapler to the head! 😂
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tritsofme
(17,423 posts)And rightfully so. I dont agree it is disqualifying but it certainly doesnt help her cause.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)Like CalFione said upthread this was probably a momentary brain fart. Yes the timing was bad but she's human. It happens. My preferred candidate is often accused committing gaffes sometimes with justification. So I'm not going to throw stones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
33taw
(2,448 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Thats a really good question. Let me remind you, I think, Im the only one running for president whose actually been on the executive side, Warren said Friday evening. Remember, after the consumer agency was passed into law, Barack Obama, President Obama, asked me to set it up. So I set up a federal agency. We effectively went from two employees the day I walked in the door to about 1000 and spent a year getting it up and operational.
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9IkmhEEpe6zsA0KrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyc3FiZmNmBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjg2OTJfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1581941025/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2fnews%2fwarren-claims-she-is-the-only-person-running-with-executive-experience/RK=2/RS=wGm0UhJEBbnTilg3DtDL5TbO6xk-
We can play these stupid games all day. Every candidate has errors. If this is what people are focused on, we have already lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)and wishes she could disappear. She was unprepared. This is on her. It is every candidates responsibility to do their homework. Besides, she is a United States Senator. She should know this even if she wasnt running for president.
I bet Mayor Pete would have known the answer to that question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Music Man
(1,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)He isnt perfect either.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1228157996074782721
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)I am a teacher and speak often i have glitched on math words. Oh and he later gave a flawless answer at the same forum that your lying scumbag source somehow forgot to post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Not disqualifying. If she gets to the presidency, honestly she will have more help than she has now
and be less frazzled. Embarrassing, however. But thats all.
If you want an FP expert and quiz kid, hire Biden. The others all have a learning curve. That includes PB, who yes is very bright and probably has a photographic memory, not a bad thing in a President, but not necessary either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Music Man
(1,184 posts)It may or may not be disqualifying, but anyone on here dismissing it as not a big deal has some wishful thinking. I love Amy Klobuchar to death, but this sort of moment often ends campaigns.
It is no vice to demand a lot from our own candidates. I don't expect a potential president to know every detail of a country's internal politics, even of the most consequential/notable countries, but this interview showed a lack of preparation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
madamesilverspurs
(15,815 posts)You'd think she'd prepped for Telemundo by getting herself spray tanned to look more like her hosts' audience. Whatever happened to THAT guy, by the way?
Disqualifying? Gimme a break.
.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Frasier Balzov
(2,676 posts)I have confidence in her.
Ask her again.
Amy-Pete will have all those details covered coming and going.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dualboy24
(41 posts)That is like very basic need to known info if running for the office of the president.
Especially giving an interview to Telemundo interview. I would say it's damaging at the least.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MFM008
(19,829 posts)the name of the Mexican President........
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,080 posts)Campaigns are hard and exhausting. This shit happens.
How about FOR FUCKING ONCE we give one of our own candidates a break?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)there are 57 contests so it wasn't like he just made some shit up. That is what he was referring to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,080 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)nor anything for which he stood. This isn't she forgot his name, she was clueless. Obama merely forgot to say contests (of which there are 57) and said states in its place. These are vastly different things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,080 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)the fact is what he did and what she did are quite different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,080 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,172 posts)that is blaming Obama last I checked. The fact is she has repeatedly said my candidate is utterly unqualified and is only on stage due to being a white male, and now we find out, she hasn't the first clue about Mexico while the candidate she slurred repeatedly as unqualified and a beneficiary of being a white male (though she leaves out the fact he is gay) did know who he was and what he was doing. So yea, I do find this a bit rich.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dualboy24
(41 posts)Obama meant 57 state contests which is true.
Amy knew virtually nothing about the Mexican government going into a interview by Telemundo.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Like whether or not she'll throw a stapler at them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
awesomerwb1
(4,269 posts)If you're gonna do an interview on Telemundo, at least try to be a little bit prepared.
Embarrassing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,493 posts)so inclined to jump on Amy for this
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)where I don't care if a candidate can tie their own shoes. I just one that asshat defeated in November.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,080 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,144 posts)all of us have moments where we can't pull up a piece of data from our minds.
I am certain she knows who it is, but we're all human.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided