Bernie Sanders drew a crowd of 11,400 at his rally in Denver, CO

[melman]

Link to tweet

[HerbChestnut]

1. Just getting warmed up.

Crowds during the GE will be insane.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. Yes, but I'm sure Bernie somehow will be criticized for these large crowds...after all, it's Bernie!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[denem]

7. Did the people drive or fly there?

Think of the C02 ! There you go ... then again there's a lot of manure at trump rallies. Methane is worse

[redstateblues]

34. see #31

[redstateblues]

31. He had huge crowds in 2016 and lost by 3 million votes

[lutherj]

52. How far did Joe Biden get the last two times he ran?

But maybe the 3rd time’s a charm?

[CentralMass]

2. No one likes him.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Lol. You beat me to it.

[lunasun]

16. ++ 🙀

[jcmaine72]

17. Hehe...

[Aaron Pereira]

21. He's all ALONE.

[zackymilly]

50. 11,400 haters got together to prove it to him.

[LeftTurn3623]

6. I honestly think the nomination process could be over

Just going through the motions. Bernie brings something special that the other democratic candidates do not have.

[denem]

9. Something special ... windmills in the sky.

[ChubbyStar]

13. I have to give you credit for trying really hard

Other than that...NAH. I see you deleted your post about Bernie saying the same thing word for word, I guess you might know that gig right?

[denem]

15. Only from last time.

People on the trail said two or three times was enough. Might as well watch on YouTube.

[ChubbyStar]

19. I guess the people on the trail forgot to tell the 11,400 people who came to see him

[OliverQ]

11. He's the only one that really generates

enthusiasm among massive audiences.

[denem]

18. ... other than trump

[OliverQ]

20. Trump's rallies aren't that big most of the time and he pays people

to be there. It's a staged show.

Bernie's rallies are much bigger than Trump's.

[denem]

25. I wouldn't know ... 5 seconds of trump on TV and I grab the remote.

I was stunned ... astonished to hear that limbaugh got the medal of freedom during SOTU. A new low, until the next one.

[at140]

35. But Bloomberg's rallies will be even bigger than Bernie's!

There will be free food and booze there. That will draw a crowd?

[lunasun]

41. Plus you also get a free T shirt

What happens when a billionaire self-funds his campaign? Events feature hundreds of free T-shirts and buttons, plus food and alcohol.
He ain’t going anywhere with out proper knoshes

[at140]

43. Sign me up!!

I hope Bloomberg has a rally in Florida?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. A free tshirt?!?! OK sure, I'll give up on the guy who'll bring affordable Universal healthcare

to the masses, without out-of-pocket costs, for a free tshirt!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

64. "Without out of pocket costs" Wrong again...

The only place where enrollees might pay out of pocket is under the Sanders plan, which does give the government discretion to allow some charges for prescription drugs.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/18103087/medicare-for-all-explained-single-payer-health-care-sanders-jayapal

It helps to know what the proposal says before lecturing people on it who do know what's in it. Doesn't help one's credibility if one is just gushing over something without knowing what one is talking about.

Awkward.

[lunasun]

69. + Healthcare for all or a hummus plate?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. Maybe if you throw in a gyro!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[evertonfc]

30. special in primary

massive defeat and loss of House seats in general

[still_one]

33. Yeah, promises he can't deliver. All populists do that, and a lot of people

fall for it all the time

[at140]

36. Will Biden win SC?

If Biden does not win SC, what should he do next?

[still_one]

45. That is up to his campaign. In my view if he doesn't win SC it is over for him

If Sanders is the nominee he will get my vote, though according to recentt polls, if Sanders isn't the nominee, 50% of his supporters say they wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee

Adding the Amy, Biden, and Pete percentages far exceed sanders support, and adding Bloomberg in the mix it is even worse
Liz has falsely been associated with Sanders, but that is based on a false assumption because they share some common views. Big difference is that Liz has detailed how to pay for it, while sanders is pie in the sky. Also, Warren made it very clear that she is NOT a Democratic socialist

Sanders has an enthusiastic base no doubt, but so far among Democrats he has yet to demonstrate that he can move outside his base, and Democratic primaries are not winner take all, but delegates are allocated on a proportional basis, with anyting over 15%

I will be voting on super tuesday in California for whichever candidate i believe can get the Democratic nomination and beat trump

It may not be Biden, but after SC I will be voting for either Amy, Biden, Pete, or Elizabeth, whichever one i feel has the best chance to get the nomination and beat trump

As far as i am concerned, if Sanders gets the nomination we will have 4 more years of trump., but it won't be because of me because i will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is

Let ask you the question, if Warren doesnt do well in Nevada or SC what should she do?

[at140]

49. Then I would conclude voters are not intelligent enough

to pick Warren who is best qualified to tackle the coming tsunami of Wall Street & Banking crisis which will hit us next.

[still_one]

53. Believe it or not, I actually agree with your assessment. In fact I believe out of all of our

candidates, Warren is the smartest and most intelligent of the candidates

We will see what happens in Nevada and SC

In spite of all the hype, I think there is still a lot of uncertainty who will be our nominee

The problem both Biden and Warren may have is money. Biden probably is more vulnerable than Warren in that regard.

Personally, whether I vote for them or someone else on Super Tuesday, I hope they both in it at least through Super Tuesday

[lunasun]

54. I am so disappointed but it is not just voters I blame media . I like both sanders and Biden but

Warren has it all . Plus she is so smart
I don’t understand and don’t want to say misogyny but I think it’s maybe part of it
Bloomberg won’t want her imo but I hope if she is not nominated and either Biden or Sanders get in they ask for her guidance

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. SC doesn't even matter anymore as far as Joe's concerned... Bernie has already dispensed with Joe.

Once Bernie dispatches Bloomberg... he'll have the Democratic nomination sown up, as I've predicted all along.

People just need to stop denying the nomination is Bernie's for the taking, stop being angry about it, and just accept that Bernie will go on to EASILY defeat tRumpy The Clown and become the 46th President.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[at140]

74. Makes sense, extremism of Trump will pave the path for Bernie ..eom

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. That's certainly part true; its also Bernie's positive appeal to the workin class & poverty stricken

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

89. I just have to wonder if they'll vote for him.

Those who voted on economic issues in the last election voted for HRC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/17/democrats-express-more-economic-distress-than-republicans-including-among-whites/

And of course, you remember Democrats overwhelmingly came out for her at the polls in the primary.

How do you explain Bernie not doing well at all with the demographic that suffers poverty on a large scale - older voters?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-older-voters-iowa_n_5dfa9d7be4b0eb2264d37f17

[LeftTurn3623]

81. I have to ask

does it matter? He has a vision of what he wants to accomplish. How many Presidents get to pass exactly what they want?

Lets say Bernie wants $15.00 hour minimum wage but gets $13.00 Passed

Or Medicare for All but gets the Public Option



I rather have someone shooting for the stars and compromise at least gets us ahead of the game. Now it seems like we ask for the middle and compromise to the right

[OliverQ]

8. That's massive.

Way bigger than Trump's inauguration.

This is why I don't get why people think Bernie is going to lose so badly. The guy has massive support.

[denem]

26. The GOP have not started on Bernie yet.

Honestly, I am one of those scared to death that Sanders would lose the GE. It's not hostility nor hatred, just deep apprehension.

I remember what happened to Dukakis, and Bernie wants to give the vote to terrorists incarcerated in Federal prisions . That looks like suicide to me.

[still_one]

29. You are right, except this will be far worse

[denem]

37. How would giving the vote the Dylann Roof, the Charleston church mass murder,

play in African American America?

[at140]

38. Nah, Bernie has a teflon shield!

Republicans won't be able to pierce Bernie's armor. Bernie is already polling 10 points higher than tRump.

[denem]

39. 'Dukakis Lead Widens, According to New Poll'

Dukakis led Bush 55 - 38 prior to Willie Horton.

https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/26/us/dukakis-lead-widens-according-to-new-poll.html

[at140]

40. Does Bernie have a Willie Horton in his background?

I don't think so.

[denem]

44. Not in his background, his future.

A vote in future for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Bomber, Dylann Roof, the Charleston Church shooter, child rapists, you name it, no exceptions.

I think the right to vote is inherent to our democracy, yes, even for terrible people, because once you start chipping away and you say, well, that guy committed a terrible crime, not going to let him vote. Oh, that person did that, not going to let that person vote. You're running down a slippery slope.

CUOMO: My follow up question goes to this being like you're writing an opposition ad against you by saying you think the Boston Marathon bomber should vote not after he pays his debt to society, but while he's in jail. You sure about that?

Well, Chris, I think I have written many 30-second opposition ads throughout my life. This will be just another one.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1904/22/se.03.html

Just another 30- second opposition ad? Those ads could/would be dynamite.

[ehrnst]

66. Something that would be just as much of a deal breaker as Willie Horton?

To Republicans, or swing voters?

Yes.

Socialist Workers Party, for one.

[at140]

73. Many voters do not know SWP, but they know more about violent criminals

because that is what sells newspapers. When is the last time you saw SWP in media?

[ehrnst]

76. It will be all over the media if Bernie is nominated.

The GOP will make very sure of it. No one knew about Willie Horton until the GOP ran an ad about it in the General election...

Right now, they GOP campaign machine is pushing for Sanders' candidacy, and as such, won't be talking about anything that might undercut support for him. They're working overtime to make him appear to be "the victim of the Democratic establishment."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/team-that-rigged-gop-primaries-accuses-democrats-rigging-iowa-against-sanders/

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-claim-pelosi-intentionally-helping-biden-and-hurting-bernie-sanders-2020-1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296

[at140]

80. I still think a violent criminal release registers more with

vast number of voters than a party affiliation somewhere. Most voters are NOT political junkies.
Most voters can't even name their congress representative.

[ehrnst]

84. It doesn't need to be at the level of a violent criminal release to send voters into a tailspin.

Most voters have heard of, and have an opinion of the term socialist and socialism. Many believe it to be the opposite of capitalism. Many associate Socialism with the failed economies of Venezuela and the USSR.

The GOP response to the ACA was based in creating a fear of "socialist medicine." Perhaps you aren't on social media, but yes 'socialism' is a hot topic.

Below is a link to an actual poll that backs up my statements:

There are large partisan differences in views of capitalism: Nearly eight-in-ten Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (78%) express somewhat or very positive reactions to the term, while just over half of Democrats and Democratic leaners (55%) say they have a positive impression.

But these differences are dwarfed by the partisan gap in opinions about socialism. More than eight-in-ten Republicans (84%) have a negative impression of socialism; a 63% majority has a very negative view. Nearly two-thirds of Democrats (65%) have a positive view of socialism, but only 14% have a very positive view.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/25/stark-partisan-divisions-in-americans-views-of-socialism-capitalism/

[ehrnst]

67. Um...no. 538 has Sanders at +4.3 not 10. Biden's at +5.6 and Bloomberg's at +6

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_bloomberg-6797.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

[at140]

72. Different issue and different statistics (non sequitor)

The issue is how susceptible Sanders will be to republican attacks, not his current polling numbers.

[ehrnst]

77. You said: "Bernie is already polling 10 points higher than tRump."

And you did not provide any other context than a Bernie/Trump poll.

So no, it's not a non-sequitur. Where is your poll that shows him "10 points higher" than Trump?

[at140]

79. I read that somewhere,

and I read thousands of items, and do not record links for each reading.
I would need 5 secretaries to do that.

[ehrnst]

85. So that "10+point lead" is something that you "saw somewhere" and can't back up

If it was something that you read "thousands of times" it wouldn't be hard to find, would it?



Pro-Tip: don't quote statistics to back up a claim that you can't give the source of. Also: don't believe everything you think.

[at140]

86. I did not say I read that poll 1000 times, and Sanders is doing best against Trump in Texas!

what I said was I read thousands of news items on dozens of web sites.
So..here what I found on RCP:

As for poll numbers, Sanders is doing better than all other democratic candidates against Trump in the
red state of Texas and Warren is 2nd best against Trump!
Numbers are from February 14th from UT/Texas Tribune from RCP web site.

Trump 47, Sanders 45

Trump 47, Warren 44

Trump 47, Biden 43

Trump 46, Buttigieg 41

Trump 46, Bloomberg 41

Trump 46, Klobuchar 41

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

[at140]

87. General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 51, Trump 43 Sanders +8

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

[ehrnst]

88. 538 aggregates many polls. Realclearpolitics doesn't.

"and I read thousands of items,"

Yes, that sounds like you indeed were using "thousands" of sources or mentions. And you finally come up with one cherry picked poll... that doesn't support your 10 point lead claim.

And it turns out that my source wasn't "Different issue and different statistics (non sequitor)" - the link you shared measured the very same "issue" and "statistic."



Care to move the goalposts again?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. TRUE DAT! You saw that skill in the Democratic debates the way Bernie counters unfounded criticism.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[NJCher]

46. really?

Bernie only wants the terrorists to be able to vote? But the tax cheats, the insurance fraud perpetrators, the rest, they don't get to vote?

Clarify, please.

[denem]

47. 'The GOP has not started on Bernie yet'

all incarcerated felons would get the vote, without exception.

[ehrnst]

68. Flog that straw man...

[still_one]

48. Because that represents only Sanders base. He has not demonstrated he is able to move

beyond his base

Pete, Amy, and Biden combined have more support than Sanders, and if you put Bloomberg in the mix it is even worse

The Democratic primaries are not winner take all, and there is a high probability no one will have sufficient delegates to cinch the nomination

That is when it will get interesting

[musicblind]

10. Don't blame them. If Sanders were in town, I'd go, too.

He's a great speaker and a good guy.

[still_one]

28. Great speaker?

[lunasun]

12. Somebody posted wide angle pic that was impressive , but reading the number count is too Thanks

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. Sure is!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Skya Rhen]

22. Didn't Warren get 20,000 in NY (in Sep) and 15,000 in Seattle (in Aug)?

[melman]

23. Did someone say this was the biggest rally crowd in history?

I must have missed that.

[at140]

42. tRump breaks that record with 110,000 people rally next month!

Haha but it will be in city of Ahmedabad, India!!

[ehrnst]

90. That poor straw man!!!

With you flogging away like that!

[ehrnst]

91. Nader got bigger crowds....

So there's that.

[sheshe2]

24. Sad so many never got to see him.

Capacity is 10K.

Good on Bernie for a huge crowd. Kudos.

[democrank]

27. Kicking for all those anti-Trump folks!

[evertonfc]

32. 11,000

Bernie supporters in a large American city. A primary win and a massive general election and house loss. Our party dosent nominate a Democratic socialist.

[burrowowl]

56. We nominate

Capitalist Socialists like the repugs? Bloomberg is probably running to save oil subsidies, tax breaks for the rich, subsidies to big ag and pharma (most of research is done by the NIH and then given to drug companies to exploit), etc.

[zackymilly]

51. Big deal! Bloomberg drew $11.4 million out of his bank account in response. n/t

[gulliver]

55. I think of drawing large rallies of people as a negative.

[ehrnst]

78. It's not a negative, it's just not necessarily an indicator of widespread support

or support among those who will show up at the polls.

It can be misleading.

On Oct. 13, 2000, 15,000 zealous progressives packed Madison Square Garden for one of Ralph Nader’s super rallies. They paid $20 each for admission, evidence of their passion, since political rallies are almost always free. That year, many on the left were disappointed with the Democratic nominee for president. Al Gore was a wonky centrist and a stilted speaker who appeared to possess few core principles. For progressives, his association with Bill Clinton, icon of triangulation and political compromise, counted against him. At a time when the left was outraged over our corrupt campaign finance system, Gore was dogged by questions about money he’d received from sketchy donors with ties to foreign governments.

At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many people’s deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are “both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives.” In response, the crowd erupted in chants of “Let Ralph debate!” Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose ’90s cool had not yet evanesced.

Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening “the most memorable political rally of the year 2000.” Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. “The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night,” the Village Voice wrote.

At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. “Who designed this economy, anyway?” he asked at Madison Square Garden. “I think it’s time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/ralph-nader-and-the-tragedy-of-voter-as-consumer-politics.html

[bitterross]

57. I thought dick-waving was only for Trump.

It's nice that a lot of people in Denver showed up. How does that correlate to beating Trump? It just shows Bernie can draw a crowd in Denver. It doesn't show that he's any better than anyone else. Just like people filling a small venue for Trump doesn't show he's worth a damn.

[MFM008]

58. now if Sanders does not get the nomination

again, how many will vote democrat against maggot?

[lunasun]

59. One thing good imo for this year is it's looking like no third option to draw in any sour grapes

It will be vote dem or trump

[CalFione]

62. I'm betting more than 90% of them.

[ehrnst]

65. I remember when Nader drew crowds of 15,000.

On Oct. 13, 2000, 15,000 zealous progressives packed Madison Square Garden for one of Ralph Nader’s super rallies. They paid $20 each for admission, evidence of their passion, since political rallies are almost always free. That year, many on the left were disappointed with the Democratic nominee for president. Al Gore was a wonky centrist and a stilted speaker who appeared to possess few core principles. For progressives, his association with Bill Clinton, icon of triangulation and political compromise, counted against him. At a time when the left was outraged over our corrupt campaign finance system, Gore was dogged by questions about money he’d received from sketchy donors with ties to foreign governments.

At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many people’s deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are “both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives.” In response, the crowd erupted in chants of “Let Ralph debate!” Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose ’90s cool had not yet evanesced.

Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening “the most memorable political rally of the year 2000.” Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. “The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night,” the Village Voice wrote.


At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. “Who designed this economy, anyway?” he asked at Madison Square Garden. “I think it’s time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/ralph-nader-and-the-tragedy-of-voter-as-consumer-politics.html

[Uncle Joe]

75. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread melman.