Some Bernie supporters want to take down the Democratic Party

[mia]

Just saw this on facebook - posted by a friend who's a Bernie supporter.

[Sloumeau]

1. It would not be the DNC who chose Bloomberg,

it would be the voters, you moron.

[UniteFightBack]

16. ENOUGH of the rigging and stealing BULLSHIT. Majority of DEMS DON'T WANT HIM period.nt

[jimfields33]

19. Please. He's the front runner.

[UniteFightBack]

20. Right now he's losing by 2 delegates. nt

[jimfields33]

21. Perception is he's front

Not a single media is claiming that Pete is.

[UniteFightBack]

22. Well when we coalesce - he won't be. nt

[jimfields33]

24. By the tome you get your act together to coalesce, sanders will be the nominee.

There’s a thread where styer is now the moderate favorite in Nevada. Who will it be tomorrow?

[sweetloukillbot]

26. You? Who is you?

[jimfields33]

34. The moderates

[awesomerwb1]

51. Oh, the moderates.

The bad guys right?*

[jimfields33]

55. Well since FDR that the only presidents we've had

We have only had one major piece of sorts progressive program passed ACA.

[awesomerwb1]

56. Riiiight.

And that was a such a small thing to pass right?

Listen, I have a feeling we'll never agree on anything. If there's a shred of truth about the Dems being so bad, then Bernie must be the worst decision maker ever to put himself in a losing position instantly from the first day by running under the big bad "establishment" again.

I hope you'll still vote for whoever wins the nomination....but I doubt it.

[krissey]

59. Sanders has been in congress since '91. Why hasn't he done anything? I mean, literally, anything.

[Cha]

67. No he isn't.

[trueblue2007]

70. Is. Not.

[redstatebluegirl]

27. Don't you remember 2016, when they lost they blamed the party saying they cheated him.

[krissey]

32. I got someone the other day telling me Sanders would have won if DNC hadn't cheated him.

They also said that either we give them Sanders or 53% wouldn't vote Dem. I corrected him because I saw the study, 53% would so 47% wouldn't vote dem. Sanders rhetoric created this.

[redstatebluegirl]

36. There is something very cult like about some of them

On the other hand I had a young man on my porch the other night, he was very nice, very respectful. This was his first campaign and he was very very supportive of Bernie. I told him I would support in in the general if he got that far, but not in the primary. He seemed crushed, I told him to just keep going, this is a democracy and everyone should have a voice. I also reminded him that we all need to keep our eyes on the prize, defeating Trump. He shook his head, thanked me and walked away. So there are the good ones out there, the bullies get all the attention.

[krissey]

43. It has been five years of the bullying and no, I have no patience or acceptance of it.

I am glad you had a good experience with youth. I too deal a lot with youth and their involvement gets encouragement from me firstly. Regardless who they support. Being informed is a high second. I would have probably had conversation where I mostly listened, but encouraged openness. Since most are encourage the opposite. But that is cool. Good to hear.

[redstatebluegirl]

48. I have spent the last 35 years or so working with college age young people every day.

I have been discouraged the past few years with many of them. They either are all in for Bernie, BS or nobody, blow up the system, or they say their vote would not count so why bother. At that point we begin a teaching moment.

[krissey]

50. Interesting. I have a limited circle, but fortunately all my young 20 somethings

in 2016 went HRC and now assorted Democrats. They cannot stand Sanders. My people are much easier to be around and lets me see a light at the end of the tunnel, lol. I only had one go Sanders and love her dearly she is the least informed and rejects information which tends to be the way with two camps on the left and right.

[redstatebluegirl]

52. Mine are mostly graduate students and a few top undergrads.

With most of them it is the free tuition, free healthcare. I educate them on the fact that nothing is free, and as the old song says "you can't always get what you want, but you just might get what you need".

[krissey]

58. I get it is the free stuff. I had the conversation in 2016 with most of mine. And all

University, grad and upper degree "kids". One in law school chose the third ranked law school that gave him an acceptance because it was a the school that gave him the largest scholarship, 3 years no tuition. He would have loved to take first choice that accepted him, a top ranked university but he would have been in debt of 300k. Second choice he would have been in debt of 150k. To hear candidates say "free" when he made the responsible choice doesn't sit well.

We also live in blue states and though I do love my blue state and wouldn't live elsewhere, the taxes are incredible. Not making a lot of money I am taxed a lot. I end up paying into state tax even though I declare 0. I do not trust that those of us trying to make it on minimum wage would not be the ones to pay more, too. And we cannot afford month to month living expenses as it is. To pay for all the free stuff will come out of my paycheck too.

[redstatebluegirl]

61. We were both raised in blue states, we live in Oklahoma now.

[krissey]

62. OMG... Lol, oh no.

Oklahoma is tough. And tornado season is coming. Keep the head down, eyes open, lol.

[redstatebluegirl]

63. We built a shelter after the last F5 almost got us.

I am scared to death of them, but the warnings are good .

[krissey]

64. Then you are good to good. That is comforting. The storms are awesome powerful and incredible and

the tornadoes are scary as hell. I hear you.

[MineralMan]

2. Nice! What a great look.

Hint: The DNC isn't backing Bloomberg or anyone else in the primary campaign. Hello! Threatening a scorched earth is not going to help the candidate you do support. Nope.

[BusyBeingBest]

3. That's nice. So helpful.

Who doesn't love threats?

[Kablooie]

4. After all the shit the Republicans have done, they want to burn down the *Democrats*?!

There seems to be another alternate reality at work here.

[krissey]

28. Teabaggers of the left. Start to the take down of the Republican party.

[still_one]

5. What a great message of unity. That is why it is no surprise that in a recent poll 50% of Sanders

supporters said they would not vot for the Democratic nominee if it isn’t Sanders
while the other candidates supporters by 70% or more would support whoever the Democratic nominee whoever it was

[George II]

6. Check that guy's twitter account, it' horrible and divisive.

[highplainsdem]

7. Yep. And some describe what they want as a "hostile takeover" of the Democratic Party,

as I mentioned in another thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287496288#post16

[dalton99a]

9. +1

[dalton99a]

8. Typical attitude

[Laelth]

11. I always hoped it would go down differently.

I hoped the Republican Party would go the way of the Whigs and that the Democratic Party, after a period of hegemony, would split. I would then be a member of the more liberal party, no mater which one kept the Democratic Party label.

If the Bernie supporters are right, they're right. We shall see what we see, but, to me, it doesn't look like the revolution has gotten started quite yet.



-Laelth

[redstatebluegirl]

31. I think using bullying tactics online and offline are hurting their revolution in a big way.

Bernie would have been better served to tell those nasty bullies on his team to stand down, tell them STRONGLY it would not be tolerated. I have a friend who was bullied online and on the phone after she posted something anti BS on facebook. It was the most terrible thing, it has just this week begun to calm down a bit, but they have said "they know where she lives and works". It was reported to the police.

Some of his supporters are not nice people and they are the most out front for his candidacy. Then there is the young man I talk about in another post above who came to my door, very respectful. The bullies are the problem.

[Laelth]

37. There's a lot of pent-up liberal energy in the party.

Bernie has strong and deep support among Democrats-about 25%, apparently. These people should not be dissed or dismissed. They will not be ignored. We can ask them to play nice, but I don’t know what good that would do.



-Laelth

[redstatebluegirl]

38. Their preferred candidate takes the lead in how they behave.

He has never strongly gone after them, it is almost like he is terrified of doing that. The right thing is never wrong.

[gollygee]

13. It's quite possible the Dem party could burn down

but we'll probably be left with the libertarian republicans vs. the authoritarian republicans at that point.

[Zeus69]

14. "Respectfully"?

We're fucked....

[CentralMass]

15. You have a candidate with 7 million online contributors and supporters across demographicss

Who received 13.5 million votes in the last primary and we have these continued attempts to paint them all by what one or two alleged supporters "said" online.

This tactic is weak.

It is a fact of life that in every presidential election there are primary voters who don't vote for the nominee if their candidate loses. In recent history two primaries are notable. The 2008 primary between Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton and the 2016 primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

I would say that inarguably they were both nasty campaigns. The WAPO post an article after the last election that in part looked at this phenomenon. One of the survey groups YouGov had determined that in 2008 24% of Hillary voters ended up voting for John McCain. YouGov found that 12% of Sanders voters voted for tRump 2016. The articke cited another study that said the number was only 6%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/
I was Hillary supporter in 2008 and remember it well. Things got very nasty on the campaign trail and online.
In the end the PUMA movement was born

This go around it has been reported that there have been few if any negative ads between campaigns. What we have seen is other supporters claiming one or two Bernie supporters said this or that online.

Back when Kamala Harris was still in the race Hillary claimed that Sanders was attacking her. There seems to be no evidence of that. Hillary has since come out to publicly criticize Sanders Several more times.

If we trace where the bulk of the negative attacks are coming from in this campaign I doubt it will point to Bernie or his supporters.

[Go Vols]

65. ty

[BlueIdaho]

17. This needs to be rejected.

Not explained - rejected.

[Codeine]

18. #bendtheknee

They’re using obstinacy as a hostage-taking tactic.

[BusyBeingBest]

23. They must not mind Donnie Dump then. Ok.

[Zolorp]

25. That #bendtheknee crap has got to go.

Sanders needs to speak up or else I can only consider him as supporting it.

This isn't the fucking Game of Thrones.

[sweetloukillbot]

29. They don't seem to remember much about the one who was always demanding it either

Like that she was an insane tyrant who roasted her enemies and got killed by her lover to prevent her from commiting further atrocities...

[defacto7]

30. I remember such rhetoric from some years ago.

I guess for some it has never changed. How many still follow that line, I don't know.

[redstatebluegirl]

33. No it hasn't.

[Lunabell]

35. I do want to transform the Democratic party back to the party of FDR.

Just my opinion.

[totodeinhere]

39. Bernie does not support this at all. There are always going to be a few kooks in every candidate's

camp. But lets not practice guilt by association when Bernie clearly is not behind this.

[Codeine]

40. Oh please.

He has the bulliest of pulpits and refuses to say anything.

[totodeinhere]

42. Not true. But if we have any questions about it lets hope that he gets asked about it at the next

debate. And I also hope that Bloomberg will participate in the debate. The voters deserve to see him up on that stage so they can size him up just like the rest of the candidates. He needs to stop hiding behind his huge bankroll.

[Codeine]

45. Why ask?

He’ll just mealymouth some nonsense about “all campaigns need to stop” rather than address the undeniable fact that his campaign and his followers are uniquely over-the-top with this behavior.

And fuck Bloomberg. Can’t stand his ass.

[totodeinhere]

46. At least we agree about Bloomberg. Thank you.

I do think that Bernie should address this and I'm confident that he will.

[krissey]

60. Sanders for five years, and even 5 decades has talked about the destruction of the Democratic party.

Sanders rhetoric has created this.

[Cha]

68. uh huh

Link to tweet

[YOHABLO]

41. Some people feel the DNC has given Bloomberg a pass

while other candidates could not meet the criteria for continuing on in the race. Maybe it's time we face up to the fact that money buys everything. Nothing I can do about it. I vote and contribute what I can, when I can. But if we are going to have a party that represents working class people and minorities, we had better decide if this Democratic Party is headed in the right direction. Perhaps everyone feels the stakes are too high at this time in history.

[cwydro]

44. Ugh.

[NurseJackie]

47. Oh, I've heard that sentiment for AGES. It's like...

Oh, I've heard that sentiment for AGES. It's like the entire reason for existence with regard to "Our Revolution" and "Justice Democrats". They've made it very clear what their intentions are.

[msongs]

49. potty mouth has no credibility IMO nt

[Codeine]

53. "Some"? nt

[Vivienne235729]

54. I am astounded by this. Don't they know the "dem establishment" isn't backing Bloomberg?

He's not their horse. He's from left field. All on his own bc he doesn't need their money. But Bloomberg aside, I find this incredibly disturbing. The fact that Bernie doesn't say anything about this speaks volumes of himself. That's terrible!

[Mike Nelson]

57. Interesting that this person...

... thinks the DNC puts Bloomberg up to attack Bernie... that may be Bloomberg's long-term goal, but right now he's hurting Biden and helping Bernie. He's another candidate splitting the "moderate" lane. The bridge burning attitude is a problem... hopefully Bernie will help figure out a way to solve the rage.

[pansypoo53219]

66. well, the democratic party does need to cut the cord to wall street. think FDR.

[Cha]

69. I love the Democratic Party.. they are on the

Front Lines between us and the monster in the WH.