***BREAKING*** NBC-WSJ POLL--- Biden 52% -Trump 44% BIGGEST LEAD OF ALL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6779408/200085-NBCWSJ-February-Poll.pdf

Maybe we need to give him a strong second look. Ridding America of Trump should be every decent person's raison d'etre! I truly have no dog in this fight. My raison d'etre is defeating Trump. I do believe some are better equipped for that task than others.

[ffr]

1. This is me not repeating that Biden would crush Putin's puppet by 8%

[Cha]

8. Mahalo, ffr!

[ffr]

37. Longtime no see Cha!

Right there with ya!

[Cha]

40. Oh you've got Biden.. I didn't notice

the last time I posted. lol

I've been hiding out in DP.. Good to see you ol friend!

[MFM008]

2. seems like the less

they focus on Biden the better he does in the polls.
I wouldnt count him out either.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I'm not counting him or out but he deserves a strong second look

[still_one]

43. +++. The whole picture needs to be looked at. Which nominee does best against trump is critical

[still_one]

4. I would like to think so, but Bloomberg is hurting him baldly

[wisteria]

5. Bloomberg will tank, once people realize what a jackass he is.

Opportunists

[Dopers_Greed]

22. Yep

The only reason he's doing so well is that he's managed to avoid the spotlight.

People's favorable opinions of him are based on his Trump-trolling. Which, to be fair, he is doing a good job at.

[emmaverybo]

47. I do believe that those who inspire great expectations are sometimes the very ones to disappoint,

all the more for raising such high hopes. But as a Biden supporter, I fear time is not our friend.

[bdamomma]

39. Bloomberg

seems to only be putting commercials and spreading his billions all over the place.

Let's not forget we are in this mess because some people thought a business man would clean things up, that didn't serve true did it?

[Qutzupalotl]

6. We have to win BIG

to overcome shenanigans such as purging voters, closing locations, etc. And the EC is rigged against us.

[Awsi Dooger]

57. Trump can't win big or lose big

Polls like this are blended into the mix. That's fine. There are always outliers. But an 8 point lead over an incumbent does not represent the United States of America in 2020.

I posted the same thing repeatedly in fall 2018 when some polls were insisting 6 or 8 point leads for Gillum and Nelson. I remember one thread in particular, titled something like, "Why are we doing so well in Florida?" I replied. "We're not."

Bet on politics for 28 years and very quickly it is obvious which polls are outright garbage. I'm sure I'll be laughing at some of the Alaska polls later this year. As always, that state is the worst polled state in the nation. We had a thread here recently mentioning that a Democrat hadn't been competitive in South Carolina in forever. Okay, then why weren't the rest of you laughing at Rachel Maddow in early fall 2016 when she was grinning ear to ear while waving a fresh South Carolina poll and exclaiming, "If Hillary only trails Donald Trump by 4 points in South Carolina you can just imagine what is going on in all of those swing states."

If Donald Trump's approval rating remains where it is right now, we can win a close race. That approval rating is far more significant than who we nominate, with the possible exception of Sanders. A socialist changes the dynamic in so many ways it's not nearly as simple to forecast.

I like to eliminate names. An older nominee who has sought the election multiple times previously and never come close, that is not my ideal blueprint. The reasons for prior failures tend to show up late. It's like relying on a quarterback who has previously been a long term backup.

[world wide wally]

7. That's what I am talking about, fellow Democrats

[lillypaddle]

9. Go Joe!

Go go go go go go go!

He needs your endorsement, Mr. President. The sooner the better. (where are the praying hands????)

[Turin_C3PO]

11. I don't think

Obama will get involved until their is a clear winner.

[lillypaddle]

14. More's the pity

we canNOT have BS, and Bloomberg is using President Obama to suit his needs. It's time for the President to weigh in, IMHO.

[bdamomma]

41. using

President Obama in his commercials, like we are that gullible to give him the thumbs up?

We will see at the debate tomorrow night.

[Dem2theMax]

16. Behind the scenes article on Obama, and why he's keeping quiet.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/what-obama-is-saying-in-private-about-the-democratic-primary.html?utm_source=undefined&utm_medium=undefined&utm_campaign=feed-part

Someone else please do the honors of posting some of the article.

[emmaverybo]

48. Disappointed in Biden's campaign? Biden held the lead for close to a year and is still viable. I

am not convinced Obama expressed this sentiment to an unnamed Democrat close to him. But typical MSM job on Biden—dismiss entirely or bash or use the word “fading.”

[Hekate]

10. Kick!

[Turin_C3PO]

12. Yes!!

[Dem2theMax]

13. Second look?

I haven't taken my eyes off of him for one second.

Joe all the way!

[Vivienne235729]

15. I am not surprised. There is a lot of race left and Biden's sweet spots are coming up.

To rule him out so quickly was mind boggling.

[emmaverybo]

49. +1000

[Dem2]

17. In this poll, Joe and Mike held a significant advantage

over the rest of the Democrats.

[totodeinhere]

19. Joe is doing two points better than Bernie. That's within the statistical

margin of error. Not a significant difference.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Last I checked 8 is 2 X 4. Last I checked Joe's lead was outside the M.O.E.

Thanks for bumping my thread though.

[Dem2]

21. ?

I see Joe +8, Bernie +4.

[George II]

24. Two points is two points. Remember, the margin of error is PLUS or MINUS, Biden's lead could be...

...significantly higher. That's how these things work.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Joe's lead is outside the MOE. The other fella's isn't.

[still_one]

42. Not against Trump, Joe is doing much better than Trump in this poll compared to Sanders

[emmaverybo]

50. And isn't that the claim many supporters have made all along? That Joe could do the best against

Trump.

[still_one]

51. Absolutely

[BlueIdaho]

18. Now that's Impressive!

I have one and only one issue in 2020 - Beating Donald Trump.

[Kurt V.]

23. never give up on biden. his super delegate support is still stronger than the rest. atm

[jg10003]

25. Repub leaning B- poll

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. It has an A/B rating

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It's also a collaborative effort between a Democratic pollster and a Republican pollster, presumably to keep the other honest.

Thanks for bumping my thread though.

[George II]

31. They're pretty objective pollsters, no discernible bias.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Here's a list of Hart Research's clients

https://hartresearch.com/clients/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. The WSJ/NBC poll is a A/B rated with a D + .08 Mean Reverted Bias

[jg10003]

55. Poll was conducted by Public Opinion Strategies

According to 538; B-, R+1.5, no cell phones.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Poll was conducted by Hart Research*, a Democratic pollster, and Public Opinion Strategies

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6779408-200085-NBCWSJ-February-Poll.html


The NBC News/WSJ poll was conducted Feb. 14-17 of 900 registered voters — more than half of whom were reached by cellphone — and its overall margin of error is plus-minus 3.3 percentage points.

The margin of error for the 426 Democratic primary voters the poll measured is plus-minus 4.8 percentage point


According to 538 , A/B Rated Democrat + 0.8 LIVE CALLER WITH CELL PHONES.

*Hart Research- https://hartresearch.com/


All claims documented

[DIVINEprividence]

27. Go Biden

Best news I have heard in a while

[TruckFump]

29. I really do think that no only did the Impeachment Inquiry hurt Trump...

...but the revenge tactics are not sitting well with anyone but his deluded base.

Vindman was especially offensive, IMO.

[Zolorp]

30. This is in 10 swing states, too.

Biden would CRUSH Trump.

[ashredux]

33. It's simple....Biden CAN beat Trump. Period. Stop.

[RandySF]

34. Nominate Joe

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Nominate the guy or gal who has the best chance of ridding America of the Orange Menace.

[OverBurn]

38. Most every poll said Hillary would win, so...........

Most every poll said Hillary would win. All these new polls do is make me nervous. I honestly can't wrap my head around anyone but the orange baboon winning.

14,000+ lies
Impeachment
Numberist more impeachable offences
Half his "guys" are already in jail for doing crimes for him
Throws CIA, FBI, etc under bus Praises Putin
Insults real Heros, almost daily
Deficit spiralling out of control
Health insurance being taken away from millions
SS cuts
Medicaid cuts
USA hated around the world

All these things doesn't even move the needle of his cult following. All intelligent reasoning is gone.

Our entire democracy is failing right before our eyes.

Change my mind, somebody, please.

[OliverQ]

44. Wall Street Journal is a Murdoch rag.

I'm not buying that Trump has a 47% approval.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. It's a collaborative effort between Public Opinion Strategies and Hart Research.

Here's are the latter's clients:

LABOR UNIONS
Actors’ Equity Association
AFL-CIO
AFSCME
Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA)
American Federation of Teachers (AFT)
California Teachers Association (CTA)
Communications Workers of America
International Union of Operating Engineers (IUOE)
LiUNA!
NFL Players Association (NFLPA)
New York State United Teachers (NYSUT)
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
Transport Workers Union of America (TWU)
United Auto Workers (UAW)
United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW)
United Federation of Teachers (UFT)
UNITE
Working America

ADVOCACY GROUPS
California Latino Leadership Caucus PAC
Democratic Attorneys General Association
Democratic Governors Association
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
EMILY’s List
House Majority PAC
Indiana House Democratic Caucus
Kentucky House Democratic Caucus
NextGen Climate Action
Ohio Democratic Party
Priorities USA
Senate Majority PAC
Virginia Senate Democratic Caucus

US SENATORS
Robert Byrd (WV)
Ben Cardin (MD)
Bob Casey, Jr. (PA)
Kent Conrad (ND)
Byron Dorgan (ND)
Dick Durbin (IL)
Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Mazie Hirono (HI)
Patrick Leahy (VT)
Barbara Mikulski (MD)
Bernie Sanders (VT)
Chuck Schumer (NY)
Mark Warner (VA)
US HOUSE MEMBERS
Don Beyer (VA-8)
Lois Capps (CA-23)
Jim Cooper (TN-5)
John Delaney (MD-6)
Debbie Dingell (MI-16)
John Dingell (MI-12)
Brad Ellsworth (IN-8)
Baron Hill (IN-9)
Rush Holt (NJ-12)
Mike Honda (CA-15)
Ted Lieu (CA-33)
Doris Matsui (CA-5)
David Obey (WI-7)
Bill Pascrell, Jr. (NJ-8)
John Spratt (SC-5)
David Price (NC-4)
Chris Van Hollen (MD-8)
Frank Kratovil (MD-1)
John Lewis (GA-5)
Bonnie Watson Coleman (NJ-12)
Henry Waxman (CA-33)
GOVERNORS
Steve Beshear (KY)
Mike Easley (NC)
Phil Bredesen (TN)
Joe Kernan (IN)
Bev Perdue (NC)
Brad Henry (OK)
Jim Hodges (SC)
Frank O’Bannon (IN)
Martin O’Malley (MD)
Alejandro García Padilla (PR)
Terry McAuliffe (VA)
Mark Warner (VA)
MAYORS
Tom Barrett (Milwaukee)
Muriel Bowser (DC)
Karl Dean (Nashville)
Steve Fulop (Jersey City)
Eric Garcetti (Los Angeles)
Tom Henry (Fort Wayne, IN)
Tom McDermott, Jr. (Hammond, IN)
Jon Mitchell (New Bedford, MA)
Michael Nutter (Philadelphia)
Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (Baltimore)
Joe Riley (Charleston, SC)
Francis Slay (St. Louis)
OTHER STATEWIDE OFFICES
Robin Carnahan (MO Secretary of State)
Catherine Cortez-Masto (NV Attorney General)
Kevin deLeon (CA Senate President)
Adam Edelen (KY State Auditor)
Brian Frosh (MD Attorney General)
Bill Galvin (MA Secretary of State)
George Jepsen (CT Attorney General)
Clint Zweifel (MO State Treasurer)

Oliver, thanks for bumping my thread.

[LeftTurn3623]

45. I agree

[wisteria]

52. [phone]

[Stargleamer]

53. Yes, but more informative is

his lead in individual battleground states, like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan (and Arizona??). These national polls are skewered by the anti-Trump sentiment in Calif., where 12% of the population live

[Buzz cook]

54. To bad he can't win in the states against democrats

Joe is doing well in the national polls. Now Bloomberg is taking the wind out of Joe's sails in Nevada and South Carolina. Sanders is leading in some polls by 12%.

Joe can't beat Trump if he can't win a primary.

[ucrdem]

56. Joe for the win!

Completely agree with the OP. Biden is still the only one with a chance of winning in November and a slim one at that. Good luck to the others but that's just how it is.

[Gothmog]

59. Biden is the party's strongest general election candidate

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