In under 3 years, the United States restructured the entire economy

[Uncle Joe]

Link to tweet

[CalFione]

1. The first step is to remove Trump from power

And the first step to THAT is to nominate an electable candidate.

[Uncle Joe]

2. That's precisely why I support Bernie Sanders.

[jcmaine72]

6. Same here!

[Tweedy]

30. Why?

Will the Senator support democrats up and down the ballot?

He has not in the past.

Which senators do you think we can afford to lose because they are "establishment "?
Sanders wanted to primary president Obama. Was that helpful to anyone anywhere?

Which voters shall we reject?

Which congressional representatives ?

How will Bernie govern? For a member of the political "establishment" (look it up & not the 1960's slang) his legislative record is mighty thin.

Have been listening to Bernie for years. His heart is in the right place. Yes, he could win-- any one of our candidates can win. Why? Because none of them are sadists like the current White House occupant is.

If Bernie wins, what then?

We need to fix a lot of things very fast. We need everybody we can get on board.

Bernie has a track record of rejecting, and trashing, the following:

the possible that can help right NOW

& the less than perfect, which might be just what we need to save our planet.

[Deero]

3. What?

The New Deal was passed in 1933, 12 years before we defeated the fascism.

Or is he talking about militarizing the entire industrial apparatus of the United States? Is that his plan?

[Uncle Joe]

4. If you had viewed the video,

you would know Bernie was speaking of the funds and effort put forth at the beginning of World War II to win the war on two continents not the Great Depression in his analogy.

That's the kind of effort and resources that should be marshaled to save life as we know it for our children, grandchildren and future generations.

[Deero]

8. lol

good luck getting folks to agree to rations and buying climate bonds if that's the plan.

[ehrnst]

17. Indeed.

[ehrnst]

7. It was referring to militarizing the entire industrial apparatus of the United States.

[ehrnst]

5. It took a war.... a world war. And that restructuring was temporary...

That restructuring was based on a huge number of men being taken out of the domestic work force, required people to ration resources, and took thousands of Japanese out of the work force and interned them. And, as has been said, militarizing the entire industrial apparatus of the United States.

There was also a common threat that was very much regarded by the vast majority of citizens as credible, leading to a sense that not participating in the government push and restrictions and sacrifice was unpatriotic.

None of those is present in this current situation.

And Bernie is no FDR. FDR was charismatic and galvanizing- a positive, upbeat mesmerizing speaker.

I don't see a credible comparison.

[squirecam]

9. Me either

Nt

[Uncle Joe]

10. To anyone paying attention, they would know we are at war

for the survival of our children and grandchildren and life as we know it in a world that's habitable.

Global warming climate change is a common threat to all nations of the world and Bernie doesn't have to be anyone but himself.

[ehrnst]

11. Nice try. We are not in a military world war, with a manufacturing focus that is being directed

by Washington, with a huge % of the workforce being deployed and on the Defense Department payroll.

To anyone paying attention, at least.

Bernie made the comparison to WW2, not me.

My post stands.



Do go on.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Are you denying what the overwhelming number of the world's climate scientists

are telling us about the growing threat from global warming climate change?

We are in a climate and societal transformational war for better or worse, either humanity takes control of it or we all go down together.

Your post is myopic and restricted to a small box of thinking.

[ehrnst]

14. Flog away at that straw man all you like.

You set it up, don't expect me to defend it.

The need to rely on such logical fallacies reveals, to anyone paying attention, that your replies are the ones which are "myopic and restricted to a small box of thinking."



Do go on.

[Uncle Joe]

16. That's your favorite go to "straw man" when you have no rebuttal

to the argument and yes your post was myopic and restricted to a small box of thinking.

[ehrnst]

18. Now we add "I know you are but what am I?"

to the frantic responses to my not taking any bait or defending your strawman.



Do go on. I'm interested to see what's going to be pulled out next.

[Uncle Joe]

19. My point is made and you have no rebuttal, period. n/t

[ehrnst]

20. Stonewalling! You demand someone just follow along with your derailing, and they don't...

And that makes you very unhappy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewalling

I'm reminded of a story about playing chess with a pigeon.



Do go on.

[LanternWaste]

24. Yours is yet another example of Bernie supporters doing their best to turn people off of Bernie.

You seem unable to accept the existence of nuance and context. Simply because someone may disagree with a particular mechanism of change in no way indicates the denial of science. Yours is an absurd and absolutist inference reflecting more on you than on anyone else.

It begs the question, are *you* really that myopic and restricted in your thought processes?

Thankfully, I take Sanders as he is-- a responsible and formidable legislator, rather than the caricature drawn of him by his own supporters-- a sacred cow intolerant of apostates and heretics should they not blindly follow his footsteps in the sand.

Imagine...

[ehrnst]

27. +1000. (nt)

[redqueen]

13. Thank you for spelling it out.

Excruciatingly sad that you had to do so here.

[ehrnst]

15. The post was excruciatingly sad, that's for sure. (nt)

[Uncle Joe]

21. Thank you redqueen.

[ehrnst]

22. Glad to see that you have switched from Bernie to Liz!

That 180 on the promised medical transparency is not going well for him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287539587

And neither is this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287538707

[redqueen]

23. Brianna is... out there.

But tbh I figured someone like her might do well against Trump's team.

But this medical records stuff - uh uh, no.

[ehrnst]

26. Yes. I have to wonder about the judgement shown in hiring her. (nt)

[NurseJackie]

25. Oh, FFS!

[Hoyt]

28. Yeah, let's go through a depression where 30% of the people are on the streets and restructure

the country so that 50% at least have outhouses.

[Under The Radar]

29. Yea but Mitch was just a Baby then

[Blue_true]

31. Apples and oranges.

Bernie should know that. Or he is being outright disengenuous.

It is easier to remake anything when it is in total freefall. It is almost impossible to bring about largescale change when things are having problems, but not in freefall.