Sanders Would Crush Bloomberg In Two Person Race

[Autumn]

https://politicalwire.com/2020/02/18/sanders-would-crush-bloomberg-in-two-person-race/?fbclid=IwAR1bsQ1eBN2Un9I6FVEbLvtBZR1M2CgZyhmmqz9nFaKS8_fcvN7j6GASUyI

February 18, 2020 at 5:57 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 295 Comments

Michael Bloomberg is framing the Democratic presidential race as if it’s between just him and Bernie Sanders.

However, the new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Sanders would trounce Bloomberg in a head-to-head match up, 57% to 37%.

Link to tweet

[FBaggins]

1. That can't be

I have it on good authority that he’s permanently stuck at 30% and the rest are “anyone but Bernie”

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Let's see how the numbers look after the debate tonight.

I'll bet Bloomberg changes the percentages quite a bit. Most people have never seen him at the podium before.

[Autumn]

4. Yeah many of us have and he don't play well in my area.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. He ain't playin'. He's in to wipe Trump off the map.

[Autumn]

9. Problem is, he won't.

[dware]

16. And neither will Bernie,

he will lose and lose BIG to the Mango Menace, while at the same time, we'll most likely lose the House and forget about retaking the Senate.

Even if by some miracle Bernie did win the GE, none of his policies would become law, the Senate, nor the House would ever vote to enact them into law.

[Autumn]

17. And see, that's a shame. That people the Senate, nor the House will ever enact things that

Americans need is a disgrace, And that people are fine with it takes it to a whole new level of disgraceful.

[totodeinhere]

27. But we can do better than replacing Trump with Trump lite. n/t

[brooklynite]

3. We don't have a two person race...

[Autumn]

5. No we don't but if we did Bernie would crush him

If you had to choose between...Sanders and Bloomberg Bernie wins.

[thesquanderer]

24. though it's not inconceivable that we could have one after Super Tuesday (n/t)

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. We don't have a four centrists versus Bernie race either. But that doesn't stop people from...

... pretending we do.

[totodeinhere]

29. Not yet but it might come down to that eventually. n/t

[MrsCoffee]

6. Good. Let them fight each other while we get on with electing someone else.

They can take Tulsi with them.

[Autumn]

7. Sure.

[radius777]

10. Sanders hasn't really been challenged yet.

The other contenders seem fearful to go hard on Bernie.

Bloomberg is just getting started, and has the organization and resources to carpet bomb Sanders with the truth about his record, policies, etc.

Let's see what the numbers look like after Super Tuesday.

Sanders may still come out on top, but would've been fully vetted.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Sanders has been running forever and gone exactly nowhere.

He is consistent in that regard.

[beastie boy]

11. I am not aware of any evidence of Bloombergframing the primary race as being between him and Bernie.

Some background would be helpful.

Also, Bloomberg does better than Sanders against Trump in the generals, according to the same poll.

For a comparison of someone who claims victory in Iowa and New Hampshire vs someone who has yet to be a contender in any primary, that's pretty lame.

[Autumn]

13. I am not aware of any evidence of anyone framing the primary race as being between him and Bernie.

The poll shows that if you have to chose one. Bernie wins.

[beastie boy]

14. That wasn't what I was asking for.

I asked if there is any evidence of how Bloomberg is framing the race.

I also stand by the rest of my post.

[Autumn]

15. You didn't ask anything. You made a few statements

beastie boy (2,243 posts)

11. I am not aware of any evidence of Bloombergframing the primary race as being between him and Bernie.

Some background would be helpful.

Also, Bloomberg does better than Sanders against Trump in the generals, according to the same poll.

For a comparison of someone who claims victory in Iowa and New Hampshire vs someone who has yet to be a contender in any primary, that's pretty lame.

You want background? Try Google. You want to talk about polls that show Bloomberg doing better start an OP and post them.

[beastie boy]

18. Which part of "some background would be helpful" escaped your attention?

If you make a statement, you should be prepared to back it up. Otherwise don't expect to be taken seriously.

[Autumn]

19. It didn't, that wasn't a question. As I said if you want background? Try Google. I'm not searching

for you. I didn't make a statement, I posted an OP on a poll. Happens all the time here. If you don't like it, find another and like that one.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287537747

[beastie boy]

20. Quit splitting hairs. I didn't ask you a question, I asked you FOR some bacground.

Good bye.

[Autumn]

22. Look at the OP. There's a link to the poll in it where you could maybe find what you want.

Bye bye.

[jmg257]

21. Here is some background re: Bloomberg team framing it as Sander vs MRB (vs trump).

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6780228-State-of-the-Race-Memo.html

[Autumn]

23. The link was in the OP. I just don't see wasting time talking about the OP with

someone who hasn't bothered to read it. You can't miss it. It's a bit like sealioning to me and I don't deal with that.

[beastie boy]

25. Thank you. And you provided the link without being difficult or inaccurate.

I appreciate it. I found further reporting that goes beyond the internal campaign memo:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/there-are-only-three-viable-presidential-candidates-according-to-mike-bloombergs-campaign-184625235.html

Back to the OP, even though you are not responsible for it: the memo you linked to is 2 days old. There is a hint in the memo that indicates the Bloomberg people are concerned about Sanders being ahead. The memo indicates that they are preparing to take steps to counter this, steps that they haven't taken prior to the developments in the race that warranted them. Since the cited poll is also two days old, the data in the polls does not reflect the steps that Bloomberg's campaign is about to take. The fact is, the poll, for all practical purposes, was conducted before the Bloomberg campaign framed the primary race as being between him and Sanders.

I would like to see how those poll numbers will change in the next couple of weeks.

Still, the cited poll shows Bloomberg doing better against Trump than Sanders.

[still_one]

31. Why? It is more fun to be rude and inconsiderate. Isn't that how people convicne other people to

vote for a particular candidate, being rude and inconsiderate?

[beastie boy]

38. Personally, I find threats of bodily harm and blackmail more effective.

But that's just me.

[still_one]

41. Lol

[Autumn]

40. I must say I was considerate enough to provide the link that is being so appreciated in ... my OP

So there's that.

[still_one]

42. Ok

[Autumn]

39. That link your so happy about was in my OP had you really been interested in it.

[beastie boy]

43. No it wasn't

[still_one]

28. Really. Is this the NBC/WSJ polling organization that left Warren out?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=539644


As for Sanders "crushing Bloomberg", in a two person race, that probably isn't going to happen because it is very likely that no candidate will come to the convention with enough votes to cinch the nomination

https://www.270towin.com/news/2020/02/18/numerous-super-tuesday-polls-released-today_966.html

[stopbush]

30. Yep. Crap poll.

[still_one]

34. and it looks likee in critical swing states in Super Tuesday Bloomberg is neck and neck against

Sanders

Doesn't look like Sanders is "crushing" BLoomberg

[Mike 03]

32. Well, if it's true, as the Bloomberg campaign implies, that they have the Bernie

opposition report and are willing to use it, I would expect those numbers to change.

https://politicalwire.com/2020/02/18/bloomberg-campaign-hints-at-damaging-sanders-info/

One thing I've noticed about Bloomberg: he doesn't bluff.

[OnDoutside]

33. I don't bet, but if it were a two person race, I'd bet on Bloomberg.

[still_one]

35. yup, just based on the fact where the Amy, Biden, and Pete votes would go

[OnDoutside]

36. Absolutely.

[Squinch]

37. Sanders has been running for 5 years. Bloomberg has been running for a month.

Give it a couple of weeks.