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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:09 AM Feb 2020

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/18/bernie-sanders-wont-release-full-medical-records/4801735002/

Bernie Sanders said Tuesday night that he is not planning to release any additional medical records.

Sanders, 78, suffered a heart attack in October during a campaign event. He had a blockage in one artery and two stents were inserted, his campaign said at the time.

Speaking during CNN's town hall in Las Vegas, Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do. Sanders will take part in the Democractic candidate debate Wedneday night.

At the time, he said, "The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure."



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Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records (Original Post) SidDithers Feb 2020 OP
There is something in those or he would release them. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #1
Yup... SidDithers Feb 2020 #15
And this morning his National Press Secretary lied about Michael Bloomberg's health: George II Feb 2020 #2
So she just throws it out there that Mike Cha Feb 2020 #6
LOL more Pot calling Kettle black onetexan Feb 2020 #25
If Hillary Clinton had a heart attack 4 years ago and said this... DesertRat Feb 2020 #3
Of course they would have.. so it's up to Social Media.. Cha Feb 2020 #7
"The American people deserve the same respect as the makers of Billy Madison" DesertRat Feb 2020 #14
Ikr.. lol Cha Feb 2020 #16
Retweeted! Cha Feb 2020 #8
This! mcar Feb 2020 #41
Disqualifying Dopers_Greed Feb 2020 #4
+1000 Callado119 Feb 2020 #39
He was promising to release them by the new year.... then by the primaries... ehrnst Feb 2020 #5
What changed? Cha Feb 2020 #9
My guess - evidence of less than "robust" health that would cause ehrnst Feb 2020 #10
He could dispel that by releasing his full medical records. Cha Feb 2020 #12
I disagree with Sanders on this one Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #11
You don't think that him going back on his promise is something that doesn't rise to the level ehrnst Feb 2020 #13
It rises to a level of concern for me, but falls far short of outrage Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #18
blow job equals heart attack followed by hypocricy and obfuscation? Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #28
Pretty sure most voters won't muster any outrage over this, either, for the reasons you cite. ancianita Feb 2020 #17
Sanders said he was going to release them.. what changed? Cha Feb 2020 #23
I really don't know and don't care. If any candidate wants to die trying, even, it's fine by me. ancianita Feb 2020 #36
But will it matter for you? Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author ALBliberal Feb 2020 #31
They are under audit, silly! robbedvoter Feb 2020 #19
... mcar Feb 2020 #42
What happens if @BernieSanders becomes the nominee & then suffers another heart attack? Gothmog Feb 2020 #21
They wouldn't redo the primary. I am sure there is a protocol for this still_one Feb 2020 #27
If a female or POC candidate had a heart attack and refused to release their records CalFione Feb 2020 #22
No SHIT. That's an understatement at the very least. Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #30
Bernard Sanders needs to do a couple of things Skidmore Feb 2020 #24
Neither would trump. So much for transparency still_one Feb 2020 #26
I certainly hope somebody Frasier Balzov Feb 2020 #29
Stop With Phony Outrage JohnBoltonsmustache Feb 2020 #32
We want the FULL records he promised and is now refusing to release... Callado119 Feb 2020 #43
Nobody else had a heart attack 2 months ago...nt SidDithers Feb 2020 #44
Bernie should show his full medical records... Bluethroughu Feb 2020 #33
Why not, is the IRS auditing it? doc03 Feb 2020 #34
I'll trust his doctor released summary showing good health. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #35
The chances he serves a full two terms lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #37
Why? What's he hiding? American voters deserve transparency. We deserve the TRUTH! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #38
I'm glad this is finally getting attention mcar Feb 2020 #40
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
1. There is something in those or he would release them.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020

I also want to see his tax returns, more than the first page.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
15. Yup...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:46 AM
Feb 2020



"Sanders campaign has clearly concluded that the heat he's taking for hiding his medical records is not as bad as what's in them." - Greg Pinelo on Twitter

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George II

(67,782 posts)
2. And this morning his National Press Secretary lied about Michael Bloomberg's health:
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:12 AM
Feb 2020
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Cha

(295,899 posts)
6. So she just throws it out there that Mike
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:16 AM
Feb 2020

"has suffered heart attacks" with no evidence to back it up?




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onetexan

(12,994 posts)
25. LOL more Pot calling Kettle black
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:26 PM
Feb 2020
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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
3. If Hillary Clinton had a heart attack 4 years ago and said this...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:14 AM
Feb 2020
Lily Adams✔
@adamslily
If Hillary Clinton had a heart attack 4 years ago and said this, CNN would have run non stop panels featuring Sanjay Gupta, Dr. Oz and a magic wall that only showed various searches of WebMD.


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Cha

(295,899 posts)
7. Of course they would have.. so it's up to Social Media..
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:17 AM
Feb 2020
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DesertRat

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14. "The American people deserve the same respect as the makers of Billy Madison"
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:43 AM
Feb 2020
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mcar

(42,206 posts)
41. This!
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:25 PM
Feb 2020

No idea why Bernie gets a pass.

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Dopers_Greed

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4. Disqualifying
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:14 AM
Feb 2020

He needs to drop out

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
5. He was promising to release them by the new year.... then by the primaries...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:15 AM
Feb 2020

now...“We have released quite as much documentation as any other candidate has."

He was saying this about other candidates just last year...

"The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure."


Who says that Bernie never changes his position or evolves?



What turned out to be in those full medical records that he thinks will harm his campaign?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. My guess - evidence of less than "robust" health that would cause
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:25 AM
Feb 2020

legitimate concerns about his ability to withstand the rigors of being POTUS (when it's actually being done correctly) for the next 8 years.

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
12. He could dispel that by releasing his full medical records.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:39 AM
Feb 2020
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
11. I disagree with Sanders on this one
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:32 AM
Feb 2020

But in the big picture I can't muster up any outrage over this. I would have preferred younger candidates, all things being equal, but our top three polling candidates in the race so far are mid to late 70's males. Most men in their mid to late 70's are not in perfect health. And in that age group a previously unknown heart issue could emerge for any of them at any time. All of these men, IMO, can be called "at risk". Fortunately in many cases, with today's medical advances, treatments can be effective at greatly prolonging life. Bill Clinton had serious heart issues, after he left office, that emerged while he was campaigning for John Kerry:

"He was transferred to Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City, where he underwent a successful on-pump quadruple coronary artery bypass surgery on September 6, 2004. The medical team stated, had he not had surgery, he would have likely suffered a massive heart attack within a few months".

That's 16 years and counting now. I will note with no great pleasure that Dick Cheney is also still with us today. No candidate wants to shed light on potential health liabilities, the current occupant of the White House included. But neither Sanders, Bloomberg or Biden are infirm and there is good reason to think all of them are capable of doing the job, as were FDR and JFK in prior decades

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ehrnst

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13. You don't think that him going back on his promise is something that doesn't rise to the level
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:42 AM
Feb 2020

of concern?

"The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure."


Especially someone who is held up as a paragon of honesty, transparency and constancy?
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Tom Rinaldo

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18. It rises to a level of concern for me, but falls far short of outrage
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:50 AM
Feb 2020

It's kind of like Bill Clinton getting caught lying about sex for me. Not good, but not involving his policies or his political alliances. As to the part about Sanders being "held up as a paragon of honesty, transparency and constancy?" I've long since stopped believing that a good person in politics can and will be a Saint regarding matters political. I think Sanders overall is far better than most in that regard, but nowhere near perfect. Which, in the real world, translates as "good enough" to me.

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Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
28. blow job equals heart attack followed by hypocricy and obfuscation?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:34 PM
Feb 2020

Interesting.

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ancianita

(35,812 posts)
17. Pretty sure most voters won't muster any outrage over this, either, for the reasons you cite.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:47 AM
Feb 2020
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Cha

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23. Sanders said he was going to release them.. what changed?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:23 PM
Feb 2020
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ancianita

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36. I really don't know and don't care. If any candidate wants to die trying, even, it's fine by me.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:04 PM
Feb 2020
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Happy Hoosier

(7,068 posts)
20. But will it matter for you?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:24 PM
Feb 2020

I mean, it's all well and good to disagree, but ultimately I can't see many Sanders supporters changing their minds, even though, IMO, this is a big deal.

It's not that I think Sanders is going to keel over. It's that I don't like the lack of transparency. It suggests there is something to hide, or that he thinks that the health the President isn't something we need be concerned about. But it is to me, especially since I don't know who he will select as a running mate (and I am concerned about that pick).

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robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
19. They are under audit, silly!
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 11:56 AM
Feb 2020
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Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
21. What happens if @BernieSanders becomes the nominee & then suffers another heart attack?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:18 PM
Feb 2020
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still_one

(91,937 posts)
27. They wouldn't redo the primary. I am sure there is a protocol for this
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:29 PM
Feb 2020
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CalFione

(571 posts)
22. If a female or POC candidate had a heart attack and refused to release their records
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:22 PM
Feb 2020

...their career in politics would be over.

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Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
30. No SHIT. That's an understatement at the very least.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:36 PM
Feb 2020
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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
24. Bernard Sanders needs to do a couple of things
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:24 PM
Feb 2020

before Super Tuesday, preferably. Release his medical records and a short list of VP choices. It has been less than six months since he had a heart attack. He owes the public at least that much.

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still_one

(91,937 posts)
26. Neither would trump. So much for transparency
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:27 PM
Feb 2020
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Frasier Balzov

(2,598 posts)
29. I certainly hope somebody
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:36 PM
Feb 2020

asks him about this about-face tonight.

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32. Stop With Phony Outrage
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/30/sanders-releases-letters-doctors-health-091263|

“Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, whose office has treated Sanders Sanders has been treated for medical conditions such as gout and high cholesterol, Monahan wrote. He has no history of tobacco use, he exercises regularly, and he seldom drinks alcohol. His daily medications include atorvastatin, aspirin, clopidogrel, levothyroxine and lisinopril.for 29 years, also wrote that the senator has been “engaging vigorously in the rigors of your campaign, travel, and other scheduled activities without any limitation.”

Philip Ades, director of cardiac rehabilitation at the University of Vermont Medical Center, wrote that Sanders is “more than fit enough to pursue vigorous activities and an occupation that requires stamina and an ability to handle a great deal of stress.”

Martin LeWinter, Sanders’ personal cardiologist and an attending cardiologist at UVM, wrote that the senator “has made an uneventful recovery” from his heart attack and concluded: “I am confident he has the mental and physical stamina to fully undertake the rigors of the Presidency.

Monahan’s letter also revealed the results of Sanders’ most recent physical examination, on Dec. 19, which showed the senator as having a blood pressure level of 102/56 and a pulse rate of 62 beats per minute. His height measured 6 feet, and he weighed in at 174 pounds.

Sanders has been treated for medical conditions such as gout and high cholesterol, Monahan wrote. He has no history of tobacco use, he exercises regularly, and he seldom drinks alcohol. His daily medications include atorvastatin, aspirin, clopidogrel, levothyroxine and lisinopril.“


What the Hell do you want? Nobody has released more information than him, so far. This is just another smear.
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Callado119

(171 posts)
43. We want the FULL records he promised and is now refusing to release...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:27 PM
Feb 2020

...he lied... what is he hiding??

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
44. Nobody else had a heart attack 2 months ago...nt
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020

Sid

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Bluethroughu

(5,093 posts)
33. Bernie should show his full medical records...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 08:56 PM
Feb 2020

RIGHT AFTER DONALD TRUMP RELEASES HIS.

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doc03

(35,143 posts)
34. Why not, is the IRS auditing it?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:01 PM
Feb 2020
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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
35. I'll trust his doctor released summary showing good health.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:03 PM
Feb 2020

If anyone would like to examine the results of his latest colonoscopy they can go right ahead if they want to.

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lapfog_1

(29,166 posts)
37. The chances he serves a full two terms
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:12 PM
Feb 2020

are practically speaking, near zero.

Doesn't mean that he dies in office, but may be forced to resign due to health reasons.

But then... I would say the same thing about Trump too.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
38. Why? What's he hiding? American voters deserve transparency. We deserve the TRUTH!
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:20 PM
Feb 2020

This is a fair question and a legitimate demand.

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mcar

(42,206 posts)
40. I'm glad this is finally getting attention
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:24 PM
Feb 2020
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