Sanders is "far-left"? 20% of adults think Sanders is too conservative...

[DanTex]

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[Garrett78]

1. I'm certainly to his left. It's all relative.

As the 538 piece I posted makes clear, self-identified moderates, independents and undecideds are all over the map ideologically-speaking. There isn't this mass of middle-of-the-roaders with a similar, well-defined moderate ideology who will vote for whichever candidate is closest to the center. That's a myth, but people are very invested in that myth.

And what many call "far left" positions have overwhelming support in spite of billions' worth of propaganda.

[lapucelle]

2. They're probably looking at his long record of voting with Republicans on guns. N/T

[corbettkroehler]

3. Because The GOP LOVES IT When He Calls For An Assault Weapons Ban Time And Again (n/t)

[Deero]

9. pretty easy

to call for something you don't want when you know you'll never actually have to vote on it.

[corbettkroehler]

20. And Yet The Endorsements From Gun Control Advocates Keep Racking Up

The names fly pretty fast in this video. I'll assist:

Delaney Tarr, Ryan Deitsch, Robert Schentrup, Maxwell Frost, Nurah Abdullhaqq, Chris Grady, Thandiwe Abdullah, and Daud Mumin

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[Deero]

21. more talk

He had opportunities to prove he wanted to do something and voted against them. All talk, no action.

Drop all the names of people I've never heard of all you want. nothing changes his record.

[corbettkroehler]

22. Advocates On The Front Lines (Who Have Witnessed The Bloodshed With Their Own Eyes)

endorse Sanders wholesale and your response is "more talk"?

Please!

[Deero]

24. I've seen people get shot too

doesnt change the fact that Bernie is weak on guns.

[corbettkroehler]

25. Do You Represent A Movement Of Tens Of Thousands?

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Have you led marches which impacted legislation at the state level? The advocates who endorsed Bernie have done exactly that.

[Deero]

28. did

they also support his vote against the brady bill?

[corbettkroehler]

35. Answer My Question And I Gladly Will Answer Yours

Does your opposition to Sanders carry even the tiniest impact when compared to these massive endorsements? Does your voice represent a movement of thousands which impacted legislation at the state level? Riddle me that.

[Deero]

38. idk

but its mine, and I doubt I'm alone.

All I do know is that any gun activist who supports a guy that voted against the Brady Bill has some serious conflict to work out within themselves.

[corbettkroehler]

41. More Recent And Important

The Brady Bill was important legislation for which President Clinton deserves enormous credit but I ask you, if it had a truly lasting impact, why is it not the law of the land today?

The more meaningful statistic covers a politician's entire career rather than a handful of votes. The legislative process is known as sausage making for a reason.

During his 2018 campaign for reelection to the United State Senate, the NRA awarded Sanders a rating of F, which speaks volumes.



[Full coverage including all candidate ratings here]

[lapucelle]

13. Didn't BS ACTUALLY VOTE AGAINST THE BRADY BILL time and time again?

Didn't BS ACTUALLY VOTE WITH REPUBLICANS FOR THE PLCAA, giving the gun industry blanket immunity from civil lawsuits?

Career politicians are always "calling for" better policies at election time. It's more important to look at what they have and haven't actually done, especially if they've been part of the Washington establishment for more than a quarter of the century.

[corbettkroehler]

42. That Fresh F Rating From The NRA Speaks Volumes

Remember that, while I oppose hunting, Sanders represents a state in which hunting not only is part of the culture but a YUGE part of the economy (I lived there for 3 years and remember it well). As a senator, his top job is to represent his constituents, who rely on hunting directly or indirectly. Further, until the Second Amendment itself is amended (a move which I zealously support), gun ownership is legal.

Legislating legal exposure for gun manufacturers who sell a legal product would be akin to ordering lawsuits of Ford or General Motors for incidents of road rage.

The bottom line is that Sanders just lined up A LARGE NUMBER of endorsements from young advocates for gun control mere months after the NRA issued its most recent F rating of the Senator because they all know that he supports an assault weapons ban and won't rest until it's the law of the land.



[Complete coverage of the NRA F rating available here]

[lapucelle]

43. So BS did vote with the Republicans five times against the Brady Bill

and with the Republicans for the PLCAA.

The BS record speaks louder.

[Northern Progressive]

14. Vermont has many progressives gun owners reflects Sanders education/postion

Vermonter's gun habits are solely because of the rural state per capita has nearly as many guns as Texas and no (very little) crime -- Bernie has THE BEST chance of entertaining a discussion that is past time, on mental health NRA and their insane promotion of guns.

I believe Sanders has the best opportunity to get something going here.

[lapucelle]

16. Get something going? After 25 years in Washington and a record of voting with Republicans

on guns? There's a grassroots activist running for president who already has something going.

https://everytown.org/

[George II]

19. He's a United States Senator, voting on policy for all FIFTY states and 330 million people....

....not Governor of Vermont and 630,000 people.

BTW, how can Vermont reflect Sanders' education - he was educated in the NYC (like in the BIGGEST city) public school system and at the University of Chicago (like in the THIRD biggest city).

[Deero]

40. basically

the argument is that Bernie will support gun control only if it is convenient for his election hopes.

[IronLionZion]

4. DUers claim he's George McGovern

who also wasn't too liberal to keep being reelected in rural South Dakota.

[TexasTowelie]

5. It doesn't surprise me that 20% of adults are uninformed. nt

[NurseJackie]

10. Woefully so.

[ck4829]

17. Or maybe 1 out of 5 Americans are to the left of Sanders?

[maxsolomon]

6. Maybe 20% of respondents think he's Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

Sanders over Biden and Bloomberg? It's a Septuagenarian Cage Match!

[dbolski]

7. I'm to his left and it's not on guns.

[CalFione]

8. 20% of the population thinks that Elvis is alive and that the world is flat

[BeyondGeography]

12. They're the ones who think his defense of Daniel Ortega should be more full-throated

[LanternWaste]

15. proxies are busy today.

[ehrnst]

18. You mean the ones who think that there's no difference between the GOP and the Democratic Party?

The Jacobin and Intercept devotees?

[Skidmore]

23. That 20% just might be

his base.

[Hoyt]

26. Only source for the "20% think he's too conservative" is Holly Otterbein.

Who is she?

[DanTex]

27. The source is the WP poll. She is a journalist citing the poll. Here's the poll data.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/washington-post-abc-news-poll-feb-14-17-2020/99074fb9-691e-4399-af1e-e6534d53a9d8/

[Hoyt]

32. Thanks. It does say that, but must be some Russians screwing with us.

[NurseJackie]

31. She used to be a member here, or something.

[Moderateguy]

29. These must be the coastal elites the republicans keep banging on about

Most of the democrats I know consider Bernie to be the farthest left in the US political spectrum

[DanTex]

34. "Coastal elites" don't account for 20% of the population.

And that's not 20% of Democrats, it's 20% of all American adults.

[Moderateguy]

36. Most democrats I know think Bernie is too far left

So I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around a claim that 20% of ALL Americans think he’s conservative. If this statistic was even remotely true, we’d be a different country right now

[empedocles]

30. 20% 'adults'?

[DanTex]

33. Yes, meaning not just Democrats.

[highplainsdem]

37. Any poll where 20% think Sanders is too conservative is FUBAR.

The people they polled were unrepresentative of the country.

[totodeinhere]

39. And 90% of Americans cannot name two Supreme Court justices.

Yet these are the same voters that we need to appeal to if we are going to win the election.