Gray this morning equated asking for Sanders' medical records with asking for Obama's birth cert:

[George II]

(apparently she's now deleted the tweet Tim Wise responded to, but still persists in the equivalency)

Link to tweet

[CurtEastPoint]

1. Oh, FFS. Just kill me now. I don't think I can take this much longer.

[apcalc]

3. Yes, ugh . Obama produced it straightaway.

[Glimmer of Hope]

5. I am with you. Ugh.

[madaboutharry]

29. Me neither.

I am so tired of living in Alice Through The Looking Glass. I want to live in a world that is "normal" crazy, not a world where every thing looks like an acid trip.

[Cha]

58. lol.. I hear ya..

But.. we have to get through this.

[sheshe2]

2. She does not give up, does she!

[hlthe2b]

4. and yet, she keeps "digging"...

[Wellstone ruled]

7. Wow,keep it up Ms.Gray,

am willing to send you more shovels direct from Ames Tools. Keep it up.

[Northern Progressive]

6. this must be where MSM Republican Democrats hang

Vietnam Era Vet here and a pissed off one. How could the Democratic Party attack its own base and expect and Oligarch to waltz in and win. If you really believe that, Onion article Tom Perez changing the rules to have Trump run as a Democratic/Republican seems to not as sarcastic as the Onion thought.

[Cha]

11. No.. This is Democratic Underground for Democrats.. your post

has nothing to do with the OP.

[lapucelle]

14. What does that even mean?

[David__77]

41. I get your perspective.

...

[Cha]

59. Oh yeah? Please explain what his "perspective" is..

because it makes no sense.

[awesomerwb1]

44. "MSM Republican Democrats"

Nice one. If you were looking for a cut site for a certain set of supporters, this ain't it chief.

[mcar]

8. Doubling down in a ridiculous manner

[peggysue2]

9. Ms Gray is building quite a reputation

Not in a good way, I might add.

Btw, deleted tweets are always a tell.

[Cha]

10. BS Said he was going to Release hs Full Records.

[lapucelle]

12. BS released letters from doctors, not medical records.

Why did BS proactively and impulsively pledge to release his medical records if he wasn't going to follow through?

The 78-year-old Democratic presidential hopeful said in September that he would “absolutely” release his medical records ahead of the presidential primary season, which kicked off with the Iowa caucuses last week.

“The American people have the right to know whether the person they’re going to be voting for for president is healthy,” Sanders said at the time. “And we will certainly release our medical records ... before the first votes are cast.”

Sanders echoed his vow a few weeks after his Oct. 1 heart attack, telling The Associated Press that he planned to release “comprehensive” medical records by the end of the year.

He released three brief letters from his doctors ― one primary care physician and two cardiologists ― in December that declared he was in “good health currently,” but he has not released his full medical records.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-medical-records-promis_n_5e415519c5b6f1f57f158f7d

[Cha]

18. That is the Question..

Link to tweet

[Zolorp]

13. She is a Jill Stein voter

How any Democrat could vote for Sanders after he filled his staff with Stein people is beyond me.

[lark]

55. Ding, ding, ding, you exactly articulated the most important issue with him.

Bernies' wife said it was totally understandable and acceptable to vote against HRC. Gray and Turner actively worked and voted for Stein and they actively worked against HRC and these were the people he chose as his top surrogates. Yet Bernie "talks" about party unity and loyalty?

[Cha]

15. Did BS' press sec @brie just compare concerns about BS' heart attack to the racist Obama #Birther..

Link to tweet

[George II]

16. Yes she did. And she did it later in the day, too:

Link to tweet

And here she is, a short video posted by Jon Cooper:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

17. No.. there is no analogy, bri.

[apcalc]

28. Let us pray.

[Autumn]

19. She's right, Bernie released exactly what Biden and Liz released. They should tell the media

to fuck off. Until it's made a rule that EVERY Democratic candidate must release ALL their health records and their BIRTH CERTIFICATES this bullshit is nothing more than the media making an issue out of a nothing'
.

As for promise? Show me the video or a transcript, cause I don't think there is one.

[George II]

20. But that's not what he said he'd release. Yes there is a video and perhaps even a transcript....

The video has been posted here on DU several times. I'm sure you can find it.

Now, as to the subject of the OP, do you see asking a candidate for medical records that have been promised analogous to the demand that Obama present his birth certificate?

[Autumn]

21. That video of Bernie promising to release his records hasn't been posted George. But you know that

[George II]

22. Yes it HAS, and indeed I do know that.

[Autumn]

23. There is no video where he "promises" to release his records.

[George II]

24. It's out there and there are several news reports about it too. Why don't you look for it instead..

....of insisting here that it doesn't exist?

You might even be able to do an advanced search here on DU to find where it was posted.

[Autumn]

33. Because he didn't promise jack shit George

“It’s the right thing to do,”**** Sanders said told NBC’s Chuck Todd in November when asked if he would release his medical records. “The American people have a right to know whether the person they’re going to be voting for for president is healthy.”******

“I think we have released, it’s not just a few letters, as I understand it, we released two letters from cardiologists who are quite well known and one letter from the capitol physician,” Sanders said, adding “So I think we have done everything that, plus, what other candidates have done.”*****

Asked again if he’d be releasing more information, Sanders said “I think probably not.”

Sanders is correct that his release of letters from his doctors is roughly in line with what other candidates have released. Former Vice President Joe Biden released a detailed medical summary several weeks ago that concluded he is “a healthy, vigorous, 77-year-old male, who is fit to successfully execute the duties of
the Presidency.”

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/watch-bernie-sanders-promised-to-release-all-the-medical-records-following-heart-attack-now-says-he-probably-wont/


No promise there ****

Fact there. *****

We know that's true because of the summaries his doctors released ****** The same thing the other candidates released.

The problem comes in when people believe everything Chuck Toad, a notable republican hack, pushes is not twisted. Because most Dems know Toad has an agenda and he is a sneaky fucking weasel who stirs his cauldron of shit on a daily basis. YMMV

[George II]

37. That's not the interview during which he said he'd release his records. It was an interview with....

....Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

Gupta is not a "notable republican hack".

[ehrnst]

49. Sanders flip-flopped on what he defined as 'full disclosure". The other candidates did not....

October....
Sanders plans to release health records by end of year

"The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure," Sanders said, pledging again release his full medical records.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

This week...

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

[ehrnst]

50. "The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for

president of the United States -- full disclosure," Sanders said, pledging again release his full medical records.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

That was in October... if you want to deny that he said it because "no video" then you are sounding similar to Trump supporters who refuse to believe anything that doesn't flatter their guy.... Do please write AP news to let them know that unless they have video, he didn't say it. Get back to us with what they say...

Sanders plans to release health records by end of year

Fast forward 6 months... Flip-flop!

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

[ehrnst]

48. You require video to believe Bernie said something now?

Thanks for the opportunity to show where he flip-flopped..

October....

Sanders plans to release health records by end of year

"The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure," Sanders said, pledging again release his full medical records.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

This week...

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

When asked to clarify whether he'd be releasing full medical records, Sanders concluded, “I don’t think we will, no.”

[George II]

52. The thing is that there IS video of it, it was in a one-on-one interview with Dr. Sanjay Gupta....

....that was aired on CNN several times in October.

One can easily find it in seconds.

[Cha]

26. BS says "..it's the right thing to do.. " and ".."And, we will make at the appropriate time, all of

.. operative word being "ALL"..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[George II]

30. He was asked in October why he won't release his records right away, he said...

...he wants to make sure they're "comprehensive".

[Cha]

32. Still Not "comprehensive" or why is Elizabeth

asking for them?

And, bri accusing those asking of being like the racist birthers.

[Desert grandma]

36. I seem to remember

someone else saying something similar about his taxes.

[Autumn]

40. Here you go cha, you might want to read that tweet your proud of. It does not say what you think

Last edited Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

it says. I'm so sorry, Bernie does not use the word "all" in that tweet. You might want to find another,

We will certainly release our medical records before the primaries. I got to get to the doctor. I got to do a series of tests. I can't say when but it will be before the first votes are cast.

he did just that, and he released the same thing Biden and Liz did.

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287539160#post33

It's strange how when our heart wants to see something, in these case Bernie saying the word "all" the mind tricks us into seeing something that's not there, Bernie released a summary of his records, just as the other candidates released a summary of theirs.

[George II]

42. It doesn't say "some", either. "medical records" are medical records, not some medical records....

Deepa Shivaram
@deepa_shivaram
·
Sep 14, 2019
NEW: I asked @BernieSanders if he plans to release his medical records before the primaries.

“Absolutely. You know, I think it’s the right thing to do... it will certainly be before the first votes are cast,” he tells me in Las Vegas.

[Autumn]

46. All to Some. A bit of a difference in those two words and a charming moving of the goalposts George

I believe he did release his summary of his health before the first votes in the primary. You may correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will. All to Some. Two words Bernie didn't use in your tweet

George II (50,080 posts)

42. It doesn't say "some", either. "medical records" are medical records, not some medical records....

Deepa Shivaram
@deepa_shivaram
·
Sep 14, 2019
NEW: I asked @BernieSanders if he plans to release his medical records before the primaries.

“Absolutely. You know, I think it’s the right thing to do... it will certainly be before the first votes are cast,” he tells me in Las Vegas.

[George II]

51. What goal posts have been moved? He said he would release his MEDICAL RECORDS, not....

....a "summary of his health". When asked in October why it would be delayed until the end of the year he said "we want them to be comprehensive".

How is a "summary of health" comprehensive?

Methinks by changing "all" to "some" and "medical records" to "summary of health" perhaps it's you who is moving the goal posts.

[Cha]

57. This needs to be Kicked Now.

[ehrnst]

47. More frantic attempts at moving the goalposts, eh? His flip-flopping has REALLY got you stymied...

Once again, you can't reconcile that your defense of him flip-flopping shows some double standards, so you are desperately trying to change the topic, and avoid that Sanders isn't living up to his own statement about medical transparency... to UM....IT'S THE MEDIA.....THE MEDIA IS BEING MEAN TO BERNIE!"



You are using fewer "FUCK OFFs" and "FUCKING REQUIREMENTS" than you did in our previous discussion on this, so you've at least calmed down that much.





But thanks for the chance to post, once again, his own words, showing how he flip-flopped. Yes, he flip-flopped, and he would bash any other candidate who would flip-flop like that as unreliable.

October....
Sanders plans to release health records by end of year

"The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who's running for president of the United States -- full disclosure," Sanders said, pledging again release his full medical records.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

This week...

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

[Cha]

60. No.. gray is Wrong.

[Fran2020]

25. He did release his health records. Bri is right.

Bernie is healthy, and he released his records. He is 78 years old and is doing a schedule people half his age could not keep up with.

[George II]

31. He said medical records, and he didn't.

[lapfog_1]

34. This is such a bullshit response

a few letters which are CLEAR that they are talking about his health TODAY (even though the doctors may know something about his future prognosis).

And they don't detail the damage done to the heart muscle in his recent heart attack or how his circulatory system is doing (percent occluded, etc).

They don't say what his prognosis is regarding future cardiac events.

And the fact that he does 3 rallies a day means absolutely nothing.

[Fran2020]

39. He released his health records in December.

He was examined after the heart-attack, any damage would show up in that exam.

Are people saying he should have another health test now, and release another set of records?

[George II]

56. He released a summary letter. Even his people refer to it as a summary letter....

That letter is NOT "medical records"!

[whistler162]

62. Okay Sean!

still dancing with the stars?

[apcalc]

27. The Kelly Anne Conway of the left.

[MrsCoffee]

35. Fucking idiotic.

I can’t stand this much longer. His surrogates are pandering to the lowest common denominator.

[Cha]

38. Exactly.

[dalton99a]

43. These people will occupy key positions in the White House

Briahna Joy Gray, David Sirota, Nina Turner, Jeff Weaver, etc

Rat fuckers and gaslighters

[JustAnotherGen]

45. There Tim Wise goes again

Putting it right where even the goats can get at it (down to the roots)

Tim Wise:

Asking Sanders to release health records he promised to release is not remotely equal to birtherism. What an ignorant argument, Sanders HAD a heart attack. Obama was NOT born in Kenya. One is true, the other false. The parallel is absurd and diminishes the racism of the latter.[/div]

Exactly - he put it into words for me.

Sanders is not facing an a racist attack from Trump here - and she shouldn't be diminishing the experience of Black Americans (such as myself) who have been told to 'go back to Africa' by racists in their life.

These two are not equal.

Once again - Sanders needs to reign in his spokespeople. She's being insulting to those of us who have no affinity to Africa - we are AMERICANS who are black and are sick and tired of the bullshit. We know PRECISELY what birthers were doing - and she should be running from any analogies to it.

[ehrnst]

53. that's not what he said right after his heart attack when he was trying to convince everyone

that he was "ready to go full blast".

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/bernie-sanders-interview-sanjay-gupta-heart-attack/index.html

The 78-year-old Vermont senator has repeatedly promised to release his health records at some point, but he outlined a likely timeline in an interview with The Associated Press.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

https://apnews.com/1d0c007e8527413faf8df9cf23a56277

[George II]

54. There was no equivocation in what he said.

[whistler162]

61. Obviusly a Russian plant

<SARCASM>