Bernie hate needs to stop and soon

[LeftTurn3623]

If anyone pays attention ...reads & watches the news . Not the talking heads but the Analytical speakers, you would realize that the nomination process is pretty much over.

There is only a slight small chance Bernie will not be the nominee. It is pretty much a lock Bernie is going to be the nominee.

Really the only chance is if all the moderate type of Candidates agree to drop out of the race after Nevada and leave One moderate. That’s pretty much it.

And with the egos of the candidates we know that won’t happen.

The other thing is the candidate that would need to stay in to have a chance to beat Sanders is Biden. Latest poll shows Bernie head to head against Bloomberg he crushes him 57% to 37%. Against Pete 54% to 38%.

Biden is truly the only moderate to have a chance against Sanders and also shows he is the strongest against Trump.

Problem is Bloomberg with all his money will never drop out. And if Biden even places 2nd in Nevada and 1st in SC he will not have the money to compete on Super Tuesday 3 days later.

My point is while it might seem early in the process all the people that study this process and run the numbers all believe Bernie is getting the nomination.

Bernie is looking at getting over 200 Delegates Just in California. A number that will be almost impossible to over take.

Biden will be broke and will not be able to fight him off. And if Biden drops out. Bernie beats Bloomberg head to head pretty easy.

I know I will vote for Bernie over Bloomberg in PA. But if it’s Biden and Bernie I would really have to think about which direction to go. Even though I align more with Bernie I’m scared he might not win. That Biden is the safer choice to remove Trump.

But it’s not coming down to that because nobody will drop out. Bernie is almost certainly going to be the nominee, so putting him down and trashing Bernie at this point only helps elect Trump.

[NurseJackie]

1. If he can't handle the heat of a primary, then how can he handle a General Election. Hmm?

[totodeinhere]

64. Who says he can't handle it? He is handling it just fine under the circumstances.

And he will be a great general election candidate.

[NurseJackie]

75. The OP apparently disagrees with you.

[zentrum]

89. It's not Bernie I'm worried about. He's fine.

It's people who support him, support the more progressive arm of the Democratic Party who are stunned by the hatred expressed towards him.

Fine to not support him. Fine to critique him. It's the hatred that's the problem.

Sure is a way to alienate young people who happen to love and trust him. Very shortsighted.

[NurseJackie]

150. And calling the Democratic party "corrupt" and "morally bankrupt" and "a complete failure"...

Sure is a way to alienate young people who happen to love and trust him. Very shortsighted.

And calling the Democratic party "corrupt" and "morally bankrupt" and "a complete failure" is visionary? Or is that actually what's "short sighted" and is that what's ACTUALLY the cause of division and resentment and suspicion? The continued smears and attacks on the party only serve to divide and weaken the party. Why is THAT okay with you, but the pressure on a single candidate the "end of the world"?

All I'm saying is that the attacks and smears only generate negativity toward the party and Democrats. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Why is anyone defending that? Why doesn't anyone speak out against that with the same resolve as they do for BS?

What he's saying is unforgivable. It serves NO good purpose.

[zentrum]

168. Such tribal concerns

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.....have little meaning to students facing life-long debt and with no or un-affordable health care.

The Green New Deal is the Deal young people care about.

[NurseJackie]

169. LOL!

Such tribal cocerns

Tribal? GMAFB! Such short sightedness! You've got to WIN and defeat the GOP before the other things can be addressed. Democrats can't win if the rest of the voting populace is continually being told that the Democrats are "corrupt" and a "failure" and "no different than the GOP" (etc.) It give nobody incentive to support Democrats, or vote for Democrats. It creates division and suspicion and resentment within the party and it always weakens us. That type of negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

The Green New Deal is the Deal young people care about.

You won't get there if someone is continually smearing and denigrating and dividing the ONLY PARTY that can defeat the GOP. What good purpose does it serve?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

108. THIS... 100%

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ramen]

93. The point the OP is making is not to protect Bernie. It's to protect us.

In the event he gets the nomination, it would be helpful of us to have not done too much of the republicans' work for them. Nobody's suggesting he can't handle heat.

[Go Vols]

133. +1

[NurseJackie]

135. Horsefeathers!

[Atticus]

136. Feathers? nt

[NurseJackie]

137. Okay, here you go. I hope this helps.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horsefeathers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_Feathers

[Atticus]

151. Actually, I understood the term, but was wondering if "feathers" was used in

place of another term---as in "feathers happen".

Write it off as a lame attempt at humor.

[NurseJackie]

156. Ah... okay. Sorry.

Yes... you're right! Of course!!

[Atticus]

158. No apology necessary. ✌ nt

[ramen]

161. You make a brave and articulate point. nt

[NurseJackie]

162. Thank you.

[CentralMass]

2. Will it come down to a brokered convention ?

[customerserviceguy]

28. I think it will

There will be one surviving centrist who will pick up votes from those than cannot abide either Bernie or Bloomie, but I don't know who that would be.

If Biden gets a clear win in SC, it will help him in Southern states on Super Tuesday. If Buttigieg has had an upsurge in contributions following his showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, he could have enough money to coast on past Super Tuesday. If Klobuchar can continue her upswing in Nevada, and hold her own in SC, then maybe she will be the last moderate standing after Super Tuesday. If Steyer's gambit on SC pays off, he has the money to stay in the race beyond ST.

More stuff is pouring out about Bloomberg every day, and his recent bounce is probably a "fresh face" phenomenon. After the truths about his relationships with various parts of the Democratic electorate come out and are well known, he will lose luster.

In the next two weeks, a lot will change about the Democratic nomination contest.

[MissKat]

60. I dream of Adam

I have this runaway dream where the convention is brokered and out of the mist steps ADAM SCHIFF ... and the crowd goes wild and he's chosen with a unanimous vote.

Adam and Cory (West and East)

Adam and Liz (West and East)

Can you imagine Dear Leader's reaction?

[ramen]

94. Both of those tickets sound pretty great.

Clearly not going to happen but it would be beautiful.

[apcalc]

118. Biden will not have a clear win in SC-it is an open primary

Republicans are planning to sabotage, and vote for Sanders.

[customerserviceguy]

155. I know that's the plan

but I don't know how many will try to do such a thing.

[counting]

37. no

i think the remaining candidates will drop out when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to catch the front runner.

[ehrnst]

50. That's been a problem area before, unfortunately.

[TexasTowelie]

3. I disagree with you on this statement:

It is pretty much a lock Bernie is going to be the nominee.

There are 55 additional primaries and caucuses to be held. Proclaiming Bernie as victorious is presumptive considering that he is in second place regarding the delegate count. Let the rest of America vote!

[Midnight Writer]

57. Right. Remember the way the leader rotated in the crowded Republican primary of 2016.

Newt Gingrich was the frontrunner, Ben Carson was the frontrunner, Ted Cruz was the frontrunner.

We are playing musical chairs, and we are still early on in the game.

[Dem2]

4. Let the process play out

I will not be falling in line until we have a candidate.

[TwilightZone]

5. "Bernie is almost certainly going to be the nominee"

Sanders is the third perceived front-runner. Perhaps his supporters should learn a thing or two from the previous two, particularly about overconfidence.

[LeftTurn3623]

18. And then the alarm clock went off

Turn on the TV read something.

[TwilightZone]

20. If you want to set yourself up for a fall, be my guest.

Nothing in politics is ever guaranteed. When Biden had a 25-point lead on the field, his supporters said many of the same things.

[LeftTurn3623]

21. This is amazing

I’m basically saying people need to get behind Biden.

So who should a change my preference to?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. Sorry to be the one to break the news, but it really IS over. Bernie's inevitable...get used to it!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[SidDithers]

131. A coronation!!...

Bookmarking.

Sid

[Codeine]

173. Oh, something is over, alright. nt

[at140]

152. Quite true! nt

[CalFione]

6. Not wanting to get wiped out in the 2020 general election is not "HATE". Stop it.

Right now is our chance to stop the freight train before it derails and kills us all.


Bernie at the top of the ticket will be a wipe out up and down the ballot. The House majority could be gone, any chance of the Senate will be gone, and most importantly - Trump will have another unfettered 4 years to destroy what's left of the Republic.


This is life and death.

If we nominate Bernie, Trump wins. He'll get all of the votes of Democratic Underground folks like us. He will lose 30 states in the BEST case scenario among the wider electorate.


We're committing party (and country) suicide by nominating him. So anyone who is trying to stop that while we still have a chance is not "hating" - we're trying to save ourselves from ourselves.

[Boulevardier]

15. Whoa. That's a pretty dire prediction.

Do you have anything besides conviction to back it up with?

Because right now, the Real Clear Politics average of the polls has Sanders beating Trump in MI, PA, and WI--the absolutely critical swing states. (Biden also beats Trump in those states, according to RCP.)

[stopdiggin]

33. it is partly gut instinct

(although I follow the news and the polls fairly closely) But it is my instinct that those numbers won't hold up after the Republican machine absolutely eviscerates Sanders employing his own words and record in the general. And .. sadly .. I think a lot of voters (in the states you point to and elsewhere) are going to look at our nominee and say, "You know, Trump really stinks .. but this guy is dangerous!"

[ehrnst]

107. Certainly as plausible as the prediction of the OP...

who doesn't back it up with anything but wishful thinking.

It is pretty much a lock Bernie is going to be the nominee.

Bernie is looking at getting over 200 Delegates Just in California.

I've heard that before.

[LeftTurn3623]

17. Well if you really felt like it's life and death

Than why in the world are you supporting Amy who has 0.0000000000000001 chance of becoming the nominee. She shouldn’t even be in the race anymore and she is pulling numbers from Biden who is the only candidate that has a chance of beating Bernie

[CalFione]

22. By the time my state votes, I will vote for whichever candidate among the non-Bernies is strongest

I'm hoping that person is Amy. But if it is Joe, Liz, Mike, or Pete - I will vote for them.

[totodeinhere]

65. The thing is, you are wrong. Bernie would excite and motivate the Democratic base which is the

first step toward winning in November. But if it's Bloomberg watch out. A lot of progressives will not vote for him under any circumstances. And without the base on his side Mike is dead.

[CalFione]

67. He would massively depress the moderate suburban vote that won us the House in 2018

39 of the 41 red seats that we flipped to blue were in districts that are purple. These districts can't be won with just the "base".


All of those suburban moderates that flocked to us in 2018 to win those districts will NOT vote for Bernie Sanders. With him at the top of the ticket, we depress that vote.


Those 39 freshman Democrats that gave us control are *ALL* at risk if Bernie is our standard bearer.


And I agree with you somewhat on Bloomberg. Our best option is Amy, Joe, Pete, or Liz.

[apcalc]

85. I can verify that in my world. No way will they vote for Sanders.

[tavernier]

80. No.

In 2016 first months going in I was excited about him. Many of us were.
But he really ungrows on people.

[Desert grandma]

83. Who is the Democratic base?

I have been a solid Democrat since my very first election which was in 1972. I experienced the disaster of the McGovern nomination. I consider myself and others like me to be just as much the "base" as Bernie supporters. Bloomberg is not my first choice but I will vote for him over Sanders. My only concern is defeating the Orange Maggot.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. If your "only concern is defeating the Orange Maggot," then Bernie is the OBVIOUS choice!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Desert grandma]

123. NOT

[uponit7771]

146. This didn't happen in IA or NH, most of the new votes went to Pete and Amy

[lillypaddle]

70. Here, here!

or is it, "hear, hear" I never can remember)

[renate]

102. yep--I keep saying that I would be thrilled if Bernie magically became president

But he will not. He just won't. Can you imagine Midwestern grandparents going out and voting en masse for Bernie Sanders? Because they're the ones who go to the polls every time--not young people, not so far.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. Yes, I can imagine it! ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[dware]

129. Then you also believe this place existsl

[uponit7771]

148. +1, Sanders and Bloomberg show no swing state appeal. National numbers mean little to nothing

[msongs]

7. the messiah is here, everybody quit thinking independently and join the cult? nt

[LeftTurn3623]

12. I'm pointing out math

Sorry you can’t see the big picture

And a little FYI. I dont want Bernie. I wanted Pete. And if you haven’t noticed I’m saying People would need to get behind Biden if you want to stop Bernie. That’s not even my candidate of choice. Biden isn’t my top 3. But he is the only one that can stop Bernie


My point is bashing Bernie who is most likely going to be the nominee is just dumb.

[CalFione]

24. What math? He has 21 delegates and is in second in that category.

"Polls" are nebulous snapshots and can change.



Amy went from 5% to 20% in New Hampshire in *3 days*.

Pete went from 11% to 25% in Iowa in *2 weeks*.

Biden went from 35% to 18% nationwide in 2 months.



Basing your opinion on the current snapshot of polls is kind of silly.

[LeftTurn3623]

36. You do realize that it's not just me saying that

Bernie is wining Nevada. Candidates already pretty much are saying it. He polling a close 2nd in SC. He is running away with it in Cal.

The moderates are splitting the vote and Bernie is in his own lane with massive solid grass root support.

I sorry you can’t see this. But it’s right in front of you. I’m not saying I want this. I’m saying it’s happening.

[HarlanPepper]

43. So are you supporting Pete or Bernie?

It seems like Bernie given the passionate OP defending him and some of your answers in the thread.

[ramen]

97. It sounds to me like he is supporting his candidate of choice (Pete) while suggesting we try not to

make the general election any harder for us than it has to be, in the event Sanders is the nominee. I think it's a good strategy for where we find ourselves currently, and not only because Sanders is my preferred candidate.

[CalFione]

44. And the conventional wisdom just 3 weeks ago was Biden had the best chance

...and the conventional wisdom 3 months ago was that Warren had the best chance.



A *LOT* can happen between now and March 3rd. Bloomberg has gone from 0% to 20% in the blink of an eye. In 3 more weeks, he could be 10% ahead of everybody. Or he could collapse.


Events aren't static. Changes happen that rock the electorate, especially when 30% are undecided. A good debate performance quadrupled Klobuchar's support in a couple days in NH. A bad debate performance tonight could kill Bernie's momentum in SC and the Super Tuesday states. A candidate or two could drop out and put their support up for grabs. A candidate could have a health emergency or a major scandal erupt.

Polls taken in December look pretty silly now in February. Polls taken today might similarly look silly by March 3rd.


LET. IT. PLAY. OUT.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

130. Hell, Biden was my LAST choice until Bloomberg showed up!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[HarlanPepper]

40. You nailed it.

[ehrnst]

54. "Aura of inevitability," anyone?

I guess now that's a good thing where Sanders supporters are concerned?

[ramen]

99. I don't think it's specifically a good thing. But the math is currently tilting his way,

and it is a possibility that he ends up the nominee. I think the OP is premature that it is inevitable but he makes a good case for why it is becoming more, not less, likely.

Also, just a note that the OP is a Buttigieg supporter who simply also wants the Democratic party to not eat its own or lose the general election.

[ehrnst]

105. Many people make a candidate selection on DU

for reasons other than they are supporting that candidate.

And again... I find it ironic that a Sanders supporter has decided to push the 'aura of inevitability' to the point of pushing a coronation.

[ramen]

110. Is your eye-roll at me? For taking the OP at their word regarding their preferred candidate?

I'm not in the poster's head but I don't have any good reason to doubt they support Buttigieg. Look elsewhere in this thread, OP is quite clear about their support for Buttigieg in multiple places, and there is a part of one thread where they address exactly why they do. Seems pretty genuine from here.

The OP is not pushing for a coronation. OP is pushing for dialing down the part where some of us are doing the right's work for them and just shitting all over the guy.

[ehrnst]

116. The eyeroll is for the presumed coronation.

OP is pushing for dialing down the part where some of us are doing the right's work for them and just shitting all over the guy.

No, the OP is stating that Sanders is the inevitable winner, and equating anyone opposing him or criticizing him as 'shitting shitting all over the guy" and "hating" him... and they are just "helping Trump."

Did you miss these parts - the ones pushing a coronation before the third state primary contest has begun?

Not the talking heads but the Analytical speakers, you would realize that the nomination process is pretty much over.

There is only a slight small chance Bernie will not be the nominee. It is pretty much a lock Bernie is going to be the nominee.

Really the only chance is if all the moderate type of Candidates agree to drop out of the race after Nevada and leave One moderate. That’s pretty much it.


Bernie is almost certainly going to be the nominee, so putting him down and trashing Bernie at this point only helps elect Trump.

[ramen]

125. I did not miss those parts. And I said elsewhere in this discussion that I think the OP is

premature in the text you copied. The primary is sure as hell not over. But it is currently leaning in the direction where Sanders may well end up being the nominee.

I'm all for criticism. I didn't get the impression that the OP is trying to prevent Democrats from being critical of one another (and that's certainly not going away, even if he were). Criticism is good. It sharpens us, clarifies our message and ideology, and prepares us for the discussions to come, especially the ones that are not 'on our side' / in the general election. It's just that criticism and needless bashing don't seem like the same thing to me. Let's leave the actual bashing to the other side and make them at least work for it.. no sense helping them there.

[LeftTurn3623]

141. You know all those bold parts from my post

I have been hearing those exact same things being said on CNN and MSNBC all last night and today.

I was off work sick and had the TV on all day.

So your criticizing me for repeating what so called experts are saying all day on TV. By the way - when they are saying it they are saying it out of fear cause they think Sanders can’t win more or less

[LeftTurn3623]

140. Thank you

That is the point I was making and I even said the only real chance of someone other than Bernie getting it would be if the other moderates dropped and left Biden on a 1v1


But it’s like you say anything good even if it’s just observation about Bernie and you get killed on the DU

[betsuni]

154. I thought inevitability, coronation, anointed, it's his turn sorts of things were very very bad.

Apparently, those things are now good, while "holding feet to the fire" and he "must earn my vote" are bad.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

124. It's not a cult, it's the fact that Bernie is the one candidate who speaks truth to power

as Bernie leads the way forward, showing Democrats how to fight for working class folks by shining the light of justice on cockroach RethugliKKKons. That's not a cult... it's a revolution for change!! Finally, We The People will have our champion... President Sanders!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[nini]

170. EXACTLY

[LanternWaste]

8. Realizing that two steps into a 20-mile marathon doesn't indicate anything isn't 'hate.'

Pretending it is is irrational.

So let's stop pretending absurd nonsense and the irrational are true, and get to work getting idiot-trump out of there, 'kay?

[LeftTurn3623]

9. Go ahead and put your head in the sand

And it’s not me proclaiming this. Turn you r TV on read something

[OilemFirchen]

48. Arguing with yourself now?

Here's hoping you can work out an amicable compromise.

[griffi94]

96. Exactly

I always believe what they say on TV.

[ibegurpard]

10. It won't

Don't take the bait and get out into the real world to create alliances with those who have reasons to be concerned about Bernie. And shut down the more obnoxious Bernie supporters who just piss everyone off.

[Skidmore]

11. Honestly, I think Sanders

would not win against Trump. I also don't care for his untethered ideology, which has little chance of being adopted as law. I also believe him unfit for office for a number of reasons. Hatred? No. I just don't think he should be president any more than Trump should be.

[LeftTurn3623]

13. Well it looks like that's your 2 choices

[Kerrycrat]

23. One thing confuses me

You say your candidate is Buttigieg and yet you speak like a Bernie person.

Is Pete really your guy when in your words he has no chance?

[LeftTurn3623]

29. Yes absolutely

I love Pete. I think he is the best person to be President. I have given to his campaign. I have my fingers crossed he pulls off a 2nd place finish in Nevada.


But I’m also a realist. He doesn’t have the national pull to win when Super Tuesday hits. He has been screwed on media attention that he deserved to get. First with the Iowa debacle the after NH. The media made Amy sound like some winner finishing a distant 3rd when Pete almost upset Sanders in his own backyard. Now they cover Bloomberg nonstop.

And if you notice my post I’m actually saying to stop Bernie then you need to back Biden.

My point is that Bernie is on his way to winning. That we should stop bashing him because he is almost certainly going to be the nominee.

[Kerrycrat]

34. Fair enough

Thanks for the explanation

[LeftTurn3623]

42. By the way

I watched Pete’s townhall last night and I do not understand how anyone is not supporting this guy as their number one choice.

He is brilliant

[ehrnst]

119. Maybe because they've been told that "Sanders has the lock on the nomination? "

the nomination process is pretty much over.

There is only a slight small chance Bernie will not be the nominee. It is pretty much a lock Bernie is going to be the nominee.

Really the only chance is if all the moderate type of Candidates agree to drop out of the race after Nevada and leave One moderate. That’s pretty much it.

[DarthDem]

38. Er, Okay

No disrespect, but your message is a bit convoluted. And it sounds like a Sanders ad. Or an order.

[ehrnst]

59. "he is almost certainly going to be the nominee."

I've heard that before.

"Aura of inevitability..."

[LakeArenal]

73. No thanks. I prefer to think for myself.

Nothing is sure.

I believe 24 hrs before, Hillary, was a sure thing.

[Codeine]

14. #bendtheknee

[LeftTurn3623]

19. Instead of deny the outcome

Start talking to the moderates to support Biden cause he is the only one that can beat Bernie

[Liberalhammer]

16. Yes it does

The bend over and take it moderate Democrat is the last thing this nation needs.

[W_HAMILTON]

25. Sanders is polling much worse now than he was in 2016...

...and after two states, he is actually behind on delegates this year (whereas he was ahead in delegates at this point in the last cycle).

Calm down.

[counting]

26. dont worry

there is plenty of time for the hate to stop, just right after super tuesday.

[MFM008]

27. Its not a lock

Noone is really out until Super Tuesday.

[still_one]

32. It won't be a lock then even. It looks very likely that no candidate will come to the convention

with the required votes to cinch the nomination


https://www.270towin.com/news/2020/02/18/numerous-super-tuesday-polls-released-today_966.html

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

128. It's a lock...been tellin peeps this forever & a day. Sorry to break the news, but It's over.

The working class and low-income voters have decided whom their Champion will be... and its Bernie!! The fact is Bernie's inevitable... the polls are clear on this, as are the overflowing crowds attending Bernie's rallies.

It's obviously futile to deny this simple fact and to keep expressing anger over it, as that only serves to divide us and, in the process, help tRumpy The Clown... better to just accept that it's inevitable that Bernie will be our Democratic nominee and unite around electing Bernie to be our next President!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[still_one]

30. You realize that Sanders is tied with Bloomberg in California, and in other critical swing states

for Super Tuesday.

https://www.270towin.com/news/2020/02/18/numerous-super-tuesday-polls-released-today_966.html

[juliuswest]

95. Sanders is ahead of Bloomberg by 12% points according to RCP aggregate polling

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Edit: It includes the poll from your link which actually has Sanders ahead by 4%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-6879.html

[LeftTurn3623]

138. People just can't face the truth

[Yavin4]

35. Criticism is not hate

If any candidate cannot stand criticism, then they shouldn't be in the race.

[ramen]

104. Criticism is crucially necessary. It is different than hate. Like the OP, I

have seen both criticism directed at Sanders and also more thoughtless / reactionary hate directed at him. I definitely think we should all be critical of all our nominees, but that's different than some of what has been going around.

Before anyone comes in with "but his supporters are awful and that is your fault" let me say that I don't support ANY of that vile idiocy that the worst of his supporters are pulling.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

134. Shh! Bernie supporters WELCOME the hate directed @him; it's why he's leadin nationally in the polls!

I've dubbed this phenomenon the "Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash"... it's why Bernie's glidin' and Joe's slidin' in the polls!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Zolorp]

39. yeah, because when less than 100 delegates out of nearly 4000 have been chosen it's "over"

ALL of the baggage is coming out and this primary is many months away from being over.

[MerryBlooms]

41. Tonight's debate will be critical for Bloomberg.

If he performs well, I believe he could tie for frontrunner status.

[showblue22]

45. We won't have a nominee until AFTER the convention.

No one is the winner until after the convention. Bernie supporters argued that in 2016 and it's still true today.

[Poeraria]

46. Bernie can win the Democratic nomination, but will never sway moderate independents needed to...

...defeat Trump. This means Bernie leading the ticket gives Trump four more years, and without a draw at the head of the ticket, the House and Senate could pick up GOP seats.

But you are correct. The Bernie Bros will have months to pat themselves on the back and then years to blame someone other than themselves for having not listened to what everyone already knows...

[lees1975]

88. Yes, he will

Anti-Trump sentiment runs strong through independent voters. If it's a choice between the orange headed buffoon and Bernie, there will be more Bernie voters. Trump''s toast. His base is all he has, he won't get independents in any significant number

But really, if Democrats will work to activate dormant segments of their voter base, especially in the southern states, like Doug Jones did in his special election, Democrats won't have to rely on anyone but themselves to turn out and win this thing.

[Callado119]

47. This is a primary not a coronation...

..and he doesn’t even have a delegate lead at this point...If he and his fans can’t take the heat of being vetted, he should drop out

[ehrnst]

56. Ironic coming from a Sanders supporter, isn't it?

[ramen]

106. OP is, again, a Buttigieg supporter.

It's just that his post acknowledges a real possibility that Sanders winds up our nominee.

[ehrnst]

109. "possibility?"

No, they are stating it's a certainty, which I've heard before.

It is pretty much a lock Bernie is going to be the nominee.

Bernie is looking at getting over 200 Delegates Just in California.

And again, many people on DU display a preferred candidate for reasons other than they support that candidate.

[ramen]

113. Certainty seems premature to me, too,

but I'd certainly rather that whoever ends up with the job of beating trump and rescuing this democracy doesn't show up unduly battered by his or her own party. I feel the same way about how quick some folks are to accuse Biden of advanced dementia. Why on earth would we spread disinformation about our own?

[ramen]

114. OP's words about their Buttigieg support

"I love Pete. I think he is the best person to be President. I have given to his campaign. I have my fingers crossed he pulls off a 2nd place finish in Nevada.


But I’m also a realist. He doesn’t have the national pull to win when Super Tuesday hits. He has been screwed on media attention that he deserved to get. First with the Iowa debacle the after NH. The media made Amy sound like some winner finishing a distant 3rd when Pete almost upset Sanders in his own backyard. Now they cover Bloomberg nonstop.

And if you notice my post I’m actually saying to stop Bernie then you need to back Biden.

My point is that Bernie is on his way to winning. That we should stop bashing him because he is almost certainly going to be the nominee."

[ehrnst]

117. Yes, I read that, and my point about candidate selection stands. (nt)

[Blue_Tires]

49. Fuck that shit...

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I'm obligated to vote for Bernie if (BIG fucking 'IF&quot he's the nominee because I'm a good Dem and I don't sit home and whine and pout like some other usual suspects I could mention.

I'm not obligated to like or promote him... Just don't get cute trying to tell me I'm "helping Trump" when the Berners out of sheer spite helped install him in the first place.

Y'all really do know how to win friends and influence people, don't you?? Good luck in the general, chief.

EDIT: Don't bother not responding... It will be better for me and DU as a whole if I just put you Berners on ignore.

[Garrett78]

84. The author of the OP is supporting Buttigieg.

[TwilightZone]

92. Nah.

It's pretty clear from numerous posts that the Pete selection is a bit of a ruse.

[apcalc]

120. +1

[robbedvoter]

167. Like lifetime Democrats of the yesteryear...

Supporting Republicans.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. Details, details!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[OnDoutside]

51. You vill bend to de Berner vill !!!

[JudyM]

144. What the hell?

[ehrnst]

52. "the nomination process is pretty much over." "Bernie is almost certainly going to be the nominee."

That's ironic coming from a supporter of Senator Sanders.

Bernie is looking at getting over 200 Delegates Just in California.

Yes, I've heard that before.

[rzemanfl]

53. I always read profiles. n/t

[TDale313]

55. Agreed. n/t

[krissey]

58. Sanders staffer said today that we had to hold our nose to vote for the first women nomination for

President. Do you even kind of get how offensive that is to the Democratic base that is pissed as hell that HRC had so many obstacles, Sanders and his supporters being one of them, and still came out with 3 million votes? Do you get how offensive it is that a Sanders staffer would rewrite history and say we had to hold our nose for THE most qualified President ever, that was cheated and faced misogyny?

Sanders staffer today said that Democratic voters we like birthers because we want Sanders to hold up his pledge. His promise. To release his medical records before the primaries. Do you get how insulting it is for his people to say Democrats are Birthers?

So, I think maybe you ought to be turning that finger back to Sanders.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

61. Seems like all criticism of Bernie is labeled "hate."

It's not hate, it's criticism; it goes with the territory, and if he and his campaign staff can't handle criticism he shouldn't be running for president.

[EveHammond13]

62. Bernie is destroying the party. He never should have been on the Democratic ballot.

[juliuswest]

100. This coming from a candidate who formerly identified as a Republican

get outta here

[Tweedy]

63. Hate is the GOP's tool

Rational critique is the Democratic tool.

FYI a quarter of the vote is insufficient to become the nominee. Senator Sanders needs to improve on that before claiming squatters' rights to the nomination.

Otherwise, Bernie is adorable in an un-scrubbed kind of way. On the other hand, his legislative record is thin, even considering his amendment strategy.

Most importantly, if you believe folks being upset Bernie disses the Democratic Party is hate, just wait for the GOP trolling machine to revv up. A tough primary makes our nominee stronger.

[BlueJac]

66. Disagree

[relayerbob]

68. Thanks for the concern

But I'm going to let some voters actually make that decision

[Mike Nelson]

69. Maybe, after NV and SC, the candidates will...

...get together and do what's best for the country. As an aside: Bloomberg enters because he sees Bernie losing to Trump - but Bloomberg entering has only helped Bernie, with Biden and the others staying.

[JustAnotherGen]

71. I disagree that Sanders is inevitable

With two states out of 50? I don't think that's very fair to the rest of the Democratic Party voters in 48 states.

From time to time someone posts ASTONISHED on DU . . . 'so for the undecideds . . .'

I live in NJ. The Primary is not until June.

If what you say is true - can we save money on the election and just hold our local, House, and Senate Primary? Like -are our delegates not necessary?

Please advise.

[Bettie]

72. TWO states have voted

Nothing is decided at this point. Literally nothing.

[krissey]

74. Two states voted and a weak performance at that. Those states should have provided a landslide.

One he lost by two delegates, the other he tied with delegates.

[Bettie]

76. I think we can all wait a couple of weeks

to see who pulls ahead in those states. Jeez. You'd think people had never been through a primary before!

[emmaverybo]

77. Thanks for the sanity.

[Bettie]

91. I'm trying

and it is NOT easy!

[bucolic_frolic]

78. Ridiculous assertion that Bernie will certainly be the nominee

at this point, who can tell? The OP is laughable

[Perseus]

79. Did you mean hate against Bernie?

Even Joy Reid of MSNBC is into hate for Bernie...What is going on? Do people who do not support Bernie Sanders really believe that this effort against Sanders is going to produce any positive results? It won't, its not.

Please stop...And I am not even supporting Bernie at this time, I have not dismissed him and I will vote for him if he is the nominee, which it looks like he will be, but it disgusts me all the negative against him.

I like Buttigieg very much, I think he is very smart, but I don't think you have any clue of the things they will say about him if he jumps on top of the race, or if he is nominated...focus better on how you are going to defend him instead of bashing another Democrat.

[peoli]

81. Stop the hate!

[apcalc]

82. Hah! No chance he is the nominee.

[lees1975]

86. Bernie hate shouldn't be coming from Democrats

I will vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. I'll get out and support him, he gets my (small) contribution and I'll go next door to Wisconsin or Iowa to work the phone banks and help get voters out.

Get a clue, people. Do you really want four more years of insanity, emptied prisons and spiteful revenge?

[Perseus]

139. Unfortunately, it seems to be coming a lot from Democrats, just read the posts here

[pnwmom]

87. "Democratic establishment"-hate from the Bernie camp must stop

if you want to end the pushback against Bernie.

[IronLionZion]

90. Might as well cancel the remaining primaries then. Forget super Tuesday

48 states and the territories don't deserve a vote. Latinos in Nevada and African Americans in South Carolina don't deserve a vote. We'll just let Iowa and New Hampshire decide for all of us.

This is one of those cases where I like a candidate but not his supporters.

[NanceGreggs]

98. Have you ever noticed ...

… that every candidate has detrimental things said about them on a regular basis here?

Have you also noticed that there are no posts saying The Buttigieg hate needs to stop, The Amy hate needs to stop, the Biden hate needs to stop, the Warren hate needs to stop?

When anyone else in the race is criticized, it’s just that – criticism of their policies, statements, past conduct, etc. It’s only Bernie supporters who think ‘hatred’ has anything to do with whether people support him or not.

It’s all too reminiscent of someone else whose supporters think it’s just baseless ‘hatred’ that causes people not to support him.

So for those of us who don’t support Bernie, how close are we to being called Never-Berners?

And BTW, Bernie’s constant whining about how everything is ‘rigged against him’, everyone is ‘out to get him’, and how the media is always ‘mean to him’ doesn’t help his cause. Again, we’ve been hearing THAT story from someone else for four years now.

[betsuni]

101. +1

[musette_sf]

103. + 1

[dalton99a]

143. Criticism is blasphemy.

One must not say anything negative about the venerated saint.

[demofan40]

121. Very hard to tell democrats to "get over it"

When many of the people Sanders surrounds himself with considered Clinton worse than Trump in 2016.

You don't think democrats should be annoyed at the prospect of being lectured to by Jill Stein supporters? By people who helped put us into this mess in the first place?

That's on Sanders campaign 100%. That is not the fault of any democrat who has been voting democrat for election after election.

I don't think its hubris that Sanders ran so much this time around as it's MAJOR hubris that he chose once again to surround himself with people who didn't really consider Trump to be that big of a threat in the first place. It negates his message, and if he gets the nomination, he really needs to change the people who work around him.

[Zolorp]

142. His press secretary proudly proclaimed how she elected Trump in 2016

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

145. +1

[Me.]

122. Yes It Does

Tell his people to stop

[Chainfire]

127. It is a long way 'till November

At this time in the last Presidential election cycle, it took a dope to think that Trump could be elected, and see how that came out.

What I am afraid of is that if somehow Bernie does not get the nomination that his supporters will all stay home and pout for the rest of the campaign and on election day, handing the country to Trump on a silver platter. If that happens you can stick a fork in us, because we will be well done.

At this point all I want is the person who can beat Trump to get the nod, however, regardless my first choice, I will work like hell for any Democratic candidate, running for any office. I just hope that all of the candidates, and all of the candidates supporters feel the same way; our future will depend on it. Even if we all work together we will have a hell of a hard time beating Trump, the Russians, Fox News the NRA and a couple of hundred million angry fascists who think that they are American patriots.

If you are anywhere left of political center you may well be in personal danger if Trump wins again. You better believe that there are lot of Americans who would be happy to relocate liberals and other untermench to the East.

[LongtimeAZDem]

132. Agreed; the sooner he drops out, the better

[JCMach1]

147. Bad all around at the moment...

[gulliver]

149. If it drops down to three moderate nominees, Bernie will lose to one of them.

They will prevent Bernie from getting a majority of delegates on the first ballot. In fact, before the first ballot even begins, the three moderates will determine who among them will be the moderate candidate (probably the one with the majority of pledged delegates among the moderates). The others will then drop out and ask their pledged delegates to vote for the moderate candidate. That candidate will then have a majority of pledged (voted for by voters) delegates and will win on the first ballot.

[lapfog_1]

153. If Bernie is the nominee...

I will vote for him... right after I leave the Democratic party and update my passport.

Electoral college wise, Bernie will have his ass handed to him in November.

I doubt he will even win the popular vote.

And we Democrats will look every bit the idiots we are for not protecting our democracy.

[Lunabell]

157. I love Bernie, his platform and

have refrained this primary from criticizing any of the other candidates. That is exactly what the rethuglicans want us to do. We need to be a united front if we are to defeat fascism. Trump is dangerous and we are running around eating our own instead of having trump for lunch. Bernie will probably win. Get over it just like i did in 16 and vote for the democratic nominee. .

[Quixote1818]

159. Those Democrats who don't like him will have to go through stages of grief

Right now as Sanders is starting to pull into the lead we are seeing denial and anger. If it becomes clear he is going to win there will be more anger and depression and then finally acceptance and at that point we will be a team again.

[NurseJackie]

163. That's highly doubtful.

[Quixote1818]

164. So then you're going to vote for Trump if Sanders gets the nomination?

Second post was a dupe. Got posted twice somehow.

[NurseJackie]

166. Why continue to insult me?

What have I ever done to you?

[evertonfc]

160. It's not hate

It's pointing out that he isnt a Democrat and will get steamrolled by Trump electorally. A Democratic Socialist being the nominee of our party is disturbing to many of us. Bernie will cost us House seats. I've worked campaigns in the southeast for 25 years. Hes unelectable here and toxic to moderates in house seats.

[LAS14]

171. Why, in the world, would Bernie "almost certainly ...be the nominee???"

70% of the Democratic primary goers don't want him. Why should he/would he be?????

[Codeine]

172. All these cries of inevitability lost

like tears in rain.