Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumCharles Pierce: The WSJ/NBC deliberately excluded #2 Warren from poll match-ups
FOR NO GOOD REASON.
Lawrence O'Donnell at MSNBC was the only one who came off well in this debacle, because he refused to report on the poll with Warren not included.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a31001210/elizabeth-warren-nbc-news-poll-left-out/
On Tuesday night, Senator Professor Warren was the victim of one of the the most egregious offenses ever committed by a major news organization. In conjunction with the Wall Street Journal, the fine hand of which I suspect was involved in what follows, NBC News released its latest polling data. The general overall numbers were pretty much as expected, except Bernie Sanderss lead had grown. Joe Biden, Mike Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, and SPW were in a virtual dead-heat for second. National polling in a primary campaign can be dismissed as largely irrelevant, but the railbirds among political journalists make a big deal out of them, so we talk about them like they really mean something. However, it was elsewhere in the polling where the real malignant mischief was done.
The poll also asked respondents for their preferences in head-to-head matches with the president*, and head-to-head matches with each other. (This latter seemed hinky in a multi-player field but, what the hell, For Amusement Purposes Only, as the parlay cards used to say.) Mark Murray, NBCs political majordomo, tweeted out the results on Wednesday afternoon. I read them, up and down, about four times before I had convinced myself of the astonishing fact that SPW, ranked in a statistical tie for second in NBCs own national poll, did not even appear in these one-on-one surveys. Joe Biden, who has finished out of the money everywhere hes run, and who is in the middle of his third consecutive landfill of a presidential campaign, was included. Amy Klobuchar was included. SPW was nowhere to be found.
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The poll, from NBC and the Wall Street Journal, found Warren was effectively tied for second place nationally, with 14% of the vote. But pollsters excluded her from a series of match-ups between Trump and top candidates. The poll include Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, and Mike Bloomberg, who all polled within a point of Warren, and Amy Klobuchar, who trailed significantly behind them. Peter Hart, whose firm conducted the poll, told BuzzFeed News that the poll had space and time for just five candidate match-ups.
In other words, they didnt include SPW because they didnt want to. In other words, this poll and its subsequent publication make up a staggering act of deliberate journalistic malpractice, and anyone who continues to cite it needs to be demoted to night rewrite for a spell. And it is interesting to note that neither of the two news organizations behind the poll chose to comment on the BuzzFeed story. Sometimes, my business really sucks pondwater. (Lawrence ODonnell refused to use the poll on his MSNBC show Tuesday night specifically because of SPWs exclusion. Fair play to him for that.) Of course, SPW has dedicated her entire public career to fighting against the distortions in our lives and our politics by the people for whom the WSJ serves the same function as The Daily Racing Form, So I guess I shouldnt be surprised.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kitchari
(2,165 posts)There is no excuse for this
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Instead of Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Warren is too smart, too genuine, too caring for the United States. But she's a fighter and maybe this polling omission will get her in the spotlight (in a positive light)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,278 posts)Sure, they did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,061 posts)when she was interviewed by Jon Stewart
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,061 posts)1. Bloomberg isn't on the ballot
2. write-ins are not counted
This was reported in The Hill
This kind of crap has got to stop
Yes, Bloomberg needs to be vetted tonight by the other candidates, but I would argue that so does Sanders. For the most part the other candidates and media have given him a free ride. That sure won't happen if he gets the nomination in the general election
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,061 posts)Regardless, this thread is about excluding Warren from a poll, which is outrageous
Interesting your response is similar to the response Sanders gives to most questions, his stump speech
For his 35 plus years in Congress, he has very little to show for it
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2naSalit
(86,325 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Faux pas
(14,644 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)We know how that manifests at FOX News but slightly more subtle "editing decisions" and "editorial guidance" can be a factor anywhere where concentrated wealth might be threatened.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
eleny
(46,166 posts)she has my primary vote come super tuesday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Volaris
(10,266 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
my primary vote for her yesterday.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,538 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
renate
(13,776 posts)And that gave the newspaper and Mediacom a serious black eye, and messed up CNN's programming, but they did the right thing despite the consequences.
This was just... stupid? Brazen?
Good for Lawrence! And shame on NBC and the WSJ.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
meow2u3
(24,759 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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rickyhall
(4,889 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
burrowowl
(17,632 posts)article on the erasure of Elizabeth Warren, its blatant the M$M is ignoring her!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
whathehell
(29,034 posts)like Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ninga
(8,272 posts)seekers tonight and its her chance to wow them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BigOleDummy
(2,261 posts)...is nothing if not a fighter. Maybe this will be the goad she needs to really start swinging and jabbing again. I've often wondered why you hear about EVERYONE but her to be entirely honest. Maybe we just found out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dchill
(38,442 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ahlnord
(91 posts)Corporate America would obviously like to diminish her support, but I am suspicious that Bloomberg paid off the WSJ to eliminate Warren. The same way he got on a recent poll for South Carolina when he isn't even on that ballot? And the way he is paying folks $2500 a month to tweet and post favorable comments on social media. His money opens doors and he uses it ruthlessly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)they gave Trump?
Now they're preferring the male candidates over both of the women still in the race -- Warren and Klobuchar.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
eissa
(4,238 posts)She's the only candidate who makes them cry -- not even joking here, just google "Warren billionaire cries."
And thanks to their shitty blacking out of EW, I just donated to her campaign again. Fuckers
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,254 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalla
(9,224 posts)It feels like they've been undermining her for a while and I'm disgusted.
She's in my top 3 and after this I hope they treat her fairly!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden