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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:38 PM Feb 2020

Charles Pierce: The WSJ/NBC deliberately excluded #2 Warren from poll match-ups

FOR NO GOOD REASON.

Lawrence O'Donnell at MSNBC was the only one who came off well in this debacle, because he refused to report on the poll with Warren not included.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a31001210/elizabeth-warren-nbc-news-poll-left-out/

On Tuesday night, Senator Professor Warren was the victim of one of the the most egregious offenses ever committed by a major news organization. In conjunction with the Wall Street Journal, the fine hand of which I suspect was involved in what follows, NBC News released its latest polling data. The general overall numbers were pretty much as expected, except Bernie Sanders’s lead had grown. Joe Biden, Mike Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, and SPW were in a virtual dead-heat for second. National polling in a primary campaign can be dismissed as largely irrelevant, but the railbirds among political journalists make a big deal out of them, so we talk about them like they really mean something. However, it was elsewhere in the polling where the real malignant mischief was done.

The poll also asked respondents for their preferences in head-to-head matches with the president*, and head-to-head matches with each other. (This latter seemed hinky in a multi-player field but, what the hell, For Amusement Purposes Only, as the parlay cards used to say.) Mark Murray, NBC’s political majordomo, tweeted out the results on Wednesday afternoon. I read them, up and down, about four times before I had convinced myself of the astonishing fact that SPW, ranked in a statistical tie for second in NBC’s own national poll, did not even appear in these one-on-one surveys. Joe Biden, who has finished out of the money everywhere he’s run, and who is in the middle of his third consecutive landfill of a presidential campaign, was included. Amy Klobuchar was included. SPW was nowhere to be found.

SNIP

The poll, from NBC and the Wall Street Journal, found Warren was effectively tied for second place nationally, with 14% of the vote. But pollsters excluded her from a series of match-ups between Trump and top candidates. The poll include Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, and Mike Bloomberg, who all polled within a point of Warren, and Amy Klobuchar, who trailed significantly behind them. Peter Hart, whose firm conducted the poll, told BuzzFeed News that the poll had “space and time” for just five candidate match-ups.


In other words, they didn’t include SPW because they didn’t want to. In other words, this poll and its subsequent publication make up a staggering act of deliberate journalistic malpractice, and anyone who continues to cite it needs to be demoted to night rewrite for a spell. And it is interesting to note that neither of the two news organizations behind the poll chose to comment on the BuzzFeed story. Sometimes, my business really sucks pondwater. (Lawrence O’Donnell refused to use the poll on his MSNBC show Tuesday night specifically because of SPW’s exclusion. Fair play to him for that.) Of course, SPW has dedicated her entire public career to fighting against the distortions in our lives and our politics by the people for whom the WSJ serves the same function as The Daily Racing Form, So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
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Charles Pierce: The WSJ/NBC deliberately excluded #2 Warren from poll match-ups (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2020 OP
This is an outrage Kitchari Feb 2020 #1
No, but there's an explanation FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #14
And O'Donnell's show has the Amy's picture MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #2
And the Amy doesn't even do well in a head to head with the Conman. DemocracyMouse Feb 2020 #18
They had "space and time" for just 5 matchups mcar Feb 2020 #3
That sounds like Judy Miller's excuse why they didn't print the entire facts about the alleged WMDs still_one Feb 2020 #6
Shame on them. There was a poll released today from ChangeResearch for SC, which included Bloomberg still_one Feb 2020 #4
Sanders is for the people, not the monopolies... make sure they vet that! DemocracyMouse Feb 2020 #20
A stump speech isn't enough, and his interview with the NY Daily News is not impressive at all still_one Feb 2020 #34
Unacceptable....nt 2naSalit Feb 2020 #5
Kickin' with disgust! Faux pas Feb 2020 #7
Sometimes we have to be reminded that TV networks are owned by giant profit making corporations Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #8
That's fucked up Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #9
Have any of the hosts mentioned this deliberate malfunction today? MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #10
memo to wsj/nbc... eleny Feb 2020 #11
I actually think shes going to do better on Super Tuesday than many expect. Volaris Feb 2020 #21
I hope so grantcart Feb 2020 #22
I mailed xxqqqzme Feb 2020 #26
K&R nt redqueen Feb 2020 #12
Kick for visibility. Mike 03 Feb 2020 #13
This is outrageous yardwork Feb 2020 #15
KICK THE MFERS Thanks , Chaz Pierce Hekate Feb 2020 #16
the Des Moines Register poll wasn't released, even with a caveat, because Buttigieg wasn't included renate Feb 2020 #17
K&R for exposure of outrageous journalistic malpractice meow2u3 Feb 2020 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #23
Senator Warren scares the Wall St. rich bastards to death. Good. rickyhall Feb 2020 #24
The Nation had an burrowowl Feb 2020 #25
She.threatens corporate interests whathehell Feb 2020 #27
I look to Sen Warren to fight for the mic tonight. She knows Bloomberg will draw curiosity Ninga Feb 2020 #28
Ms. Warren... BigOleDummy Feb 2020 #29
Unbelievable! dchill Feb 2020 #30
Why erase Elizabeth Warren? ahlnord Feb 2020 #31
Same reason they erased Hillary last time. Remember the TONS of free publicity pnwmom Feb 2020 #35
Of course those corporate fascists hate Warren eissa Feb 2020 #32
👍🏼 blm Feb 2020 #36
Low-life, scheming, scum-sucking trumper parasites. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #33
This really pisses me off. liberalla Feb 2020 #37
To help Burnie, who feels entitled to her voters robbedvoter Feb 2020 #38
 

Kitchari

(2,165 posts)
1. This is an outrage
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:40 PM
Feb 2020

There is no excuse for this

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FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
14. No, but there's an explanation
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:24 PM
Feb 2020
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MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
2. And O'Donnell's show has the Amy's picture
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:44 PM
Feb 2020

Instead of Warren.

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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
18. And the Amy doesn't even do well in a head to head with the Conman.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:46 PM
Feb 2020

Warren is too smart, too genuine, too caring for the United States. But she's a fighter and maybe this polling omission will get her in the spotlight (in a positive light)

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mcar

(42,278 posts)
3. They had "space and time" for just 5 matchups
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:46 PM
Feb 2020

Sure, they did.

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still_one

(92,061 posts)
6. That sounds like Judy Miller's excuse why they didn't print the entire facts about the alleged WMDs
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:01 PM
Feb 2020

when she was interviewed by Jon Stewart


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still_one

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4. Shame on them. There was a poll released today from ChangeResearch for SC, which included Bloomberg
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:00 PM
Feb 2020

1. Bloomberg isn't on the ballot
2. write-ins are not counted

This was reported in The Hill

This kind of crap has got to stop

Yes, Bloomberg needs to be vetted tonight by the other candidates, but I would argue that so does Sanders. For the most part the other candidates and media have given him a free ride. That sure won't happen if he gets the nomination in the general election





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DemocracyMouse

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20. Sanders is for the people, not the monopolies... make sure they vet that!
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:48 PM
Feb 2020
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still_one

(92,061 posts)
34. A stump speech isn't enough, and his interview with the NY Daily News is not impressive at all
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:58 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306%3foutputType=amp

Regardless, this thread is about excluding Warren from a poll, which is outrageous

Interesting your response is similar to the response Sanders gives to most questions, his stump speech

For his 35 plus years in Congress, he has very little to show for it

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Faux pas

(14,644 posts)
7. Kickin' with disgust!
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:49 PM
Feb 2020
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. Sometimes we have to be reminded that TV networks are owned by giant profit making corporations
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:55 PM
Feb 2020

We know how that manifests at FOX News but slightly more subtle "editing decisions" and "editorial guidance" can be a factor anywhere where concentrated wealth might be threatened.

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MerryBlooms

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10. Have any of the hosts mentioned this deliberate malfunction today?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:04 PM
Feb 2020
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eleny

(46,166 posts)
11. memo to wsj/nbc...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:04 PM
Feb 2020

she has my primary vote come super tuesday.

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Volaris

(10,266 posts)
21. I actually think shes going to do better on Super Tuesday than many expect.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:48 PM
Feb 2020
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xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
26. I mailed
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:16 PM
Feb 2020

my primary vote for her yesterday.

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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
13. Kick for visibility.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:13 PM
Feb 2020
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yardwork

(61,538 posts)
15. This is outrageous
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:26 PM
Feb 2020
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Hekate

(90,556 posts)
16. KICK THE MFERS Thanks , Chaz Pierce
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:30 PM
Feb 2020
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renate

(13,776 posts)
17. the Des Moines Register poll wasn't released, even with a caveat, because Buttigieg wasn't included
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:37 PM
Feb 2020

And that gave the newspaper and Mediacom a serious black eye, and messed up CNN's programming, but they did the right thing despite the consequences.

This was just... stupid? Brazen?

Good for Lawrence! And shame on NBC and the WSJ.

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meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
19. K&R for exposure of outrageous journalistic malpractice
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 05:47 PM
Feb 2020
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rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
24. Senator Warren scares the Wall St. rich bastards to death. Good.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:01 PM
Feb 2020
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burrowowl

(17,632 posts)
25. The Nation had an
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:10 PM
Feb 2020

article on the erasure of Elizabeth Warren, it’s blatant the M$M is ignoring her!

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whathehell

(29,034 posts)
27. She.threatens corporate interests
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:27 PM
Feb 2020

like Bernie.

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Ninga

(8,272 posts)
28. I look to Sen Warren to fight for the mic tonight. She knows Bloomberg will draw curiosity
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:37 PM
Feb 2020

seekers tonight and it’s her chance to wow them.

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BigOleDummy

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29. Ms. Warren...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:39 PM
Feb 2020

...is nothing if not a fighter. Maybe this will be the goad she needs to really start swinging and jabbing again. I've often wondered why you hear about EVERYONE but her to be entirely honest. Maybe we just found out.

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ahlnord

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31. Why erase Elizabeth Warren?
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:45 PM
Feb 2020

Corporate America would obviously like to diminish her support, but I am suspicious that Bloomberg paid off the WSJ to eliminate Warren. The same way he got on a recent poll for South Carolina when he isn't even on that ballot? And the way he is paying folks $2500 a month to tweet and post favorable comments on social media. His money opens doors and he uses it ruthlessly.

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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
35. Same reason they erased Hillary last time. Remember the TONS of free publicity
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 07:13 PM
Feb 2020

they gave Trump?

Now they're preferring the male candidates over both of the women still in the race -- Warren and Klobuchar.

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eissa

(4,238 posts)
32. Of course those corporate fascists hate Warren
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:49 PM
Feb 2020

She's the only candidate who makes them cry -- not even joking here, just google "Warren billionaire cries."

And thanks to their shitty blacking out of EW, I just donated to her campaign again. Fuckers

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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,254 posts)
33. Low-life, scheming, scum-sucking trumper parasites.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 06:50 PM
Feb 2020
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liberalla

(9,224 posts)
37. This really pisses me off.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

It feels like they've been undermining her for a while and I'm disgusted.
She's in my top 3 and after this I hope they treat her fairly!

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robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
38. To help Burnie, who feels entitled to her voters
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 09:29 PM
Feb 2020

They want to force her out. Think of this question


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