It is hard for me to say this about Amy,

[madaboutharry]

but she has shown that she has a mean streak. She can’t seem to tolerate being challenged by Pete and responds to him with a derisive tone that is very unbecoming to her.

[handmade34]

1. agree

she's doing herself no favors

[rzemanfl]

4. Indeed. n/t

[cherryinpa]

2. Yep

It’s odd all of a sudden she seems to have melted down.

If she can’t handle this level of criticism how’s she gonna handle the psychopath?

[JudyM]

14. Or the most challenging parts of the job/decisionmaking.

[George II]

3. From what little I've watched tonight, I'm disappointed in her condescending attitude toward Pete.

[democrank]

11. Agreed

[Celerity]

29. laughable bollocks, and a dog whistle to boot

[George II]

41. I missed what that guy said. Please DU Mail me. Thanks!!

[Celerity]

63. done, hugz George!

[Demsrule86]

5. To be fair, Pete took some pretty cheap shots.

[Maribelle]

12. But isn't this exactly what Trump would love in a debate with a democrat?

[Demsrule86]

27. I don't think going after each other is a great idea...we won't have anyone who can win if we are

not careful.

[PatSeg]

52. Yes he did

and if she'd just responded with that smile of her's, she would have looked weak. If you are unfairly attacked, it is alright to show some anger, even if you're a woman.

The men fight back and no one expects them to smile cheerfully and take it. Her anger was justified, not weakness.

[spooky3]

69. Agree nt

[DURHAM D]

6. Well... he is lying about her record.

jftr - Pete is coming across as an arrogant little jerk with more than a hint of misogyny.

[Mosby]

10. Thats how it came off to me.

[dsc]

18. No he isn't

she is lying. She didn't oppose 2/3 of his judges that is a total, utter, and complete lie. She did support more of them than every single, solitary Senator who ran (not just the two on that stage). She supported more than Booker did, Harris did, Bennet did, Gillibrand did, and of course Sanders and Warren did. She should try being honest for a change.

[Demsrule86]

34. Amy is from a moderate state that came close to going for Trump...the judges are going through. We

can't stop them. I see no point in not letting red state and purple state Democrats vote for them. It truly is meaningless...you want judges nominate a candidate who can win back the Senate for us...until then a big who cares.

[dsc]

39. and if she had said that, I wouldn't be calling her a liar

but that isn't what she said. She just plain lied. She denied voting for the judges (no she didn't oppose 2/3 of those judges) and she lied by implication saying he was comparing her to only Sanders and Warren when he had clearly said every senator who ran (and again he was absolutely correct). She only stopped voting for those judges this year as she was running.

[Demsrule86]

44. I have no idea whom she opposed...how many. Both Warren and Sanders are from pretty safe states.

[dsc]

49. Bennett?

BTW she voted for more of them than Franken or Smith who, last I checked vote represented Minnesota.

[wellst0nev0ter]

70. Yet Franken opposed all the trumpanzee judges

[Demsrule86]

74. Well, Minnesota has moved right in the last election and maybe more so now...I see no reason for Amy

to take unnecessary chances... we need Senators. Do you ever want to have judges from our side? We need the Senate...not enough to have the presidency anymore.

[wellst0nev0ter]

75. ?? Franken won his last election by double digit margins

and he did it without pandering to teabaggers and regressives.

[dflprincess]

78. In the 2018 election the DFL won all the statewide races

and took back the state House (the state Senate wasn't on the ballot). Congress was a wash. Two districts flipped Dem to Rep and two went the other way.

Amy did her best to appeal to the more conservative parts of the state. She seems to take for granted that liberals to moderates in the metro area will resign themselves to voting for her because she's still better than a Republican

[Celerity]

67. bringing the facts, as usual

Gillibrand, who is a so unfairly turned into a pantomime villain at times here, had the lowest Trump score of ALL senators, and was the only senator to vote against every single one of Trump's nominees at executive level.

[tishaLA]

26. Yeah, he struck me as misogynist too

[squirecam]

28. Yep

He looks terrible tonight.

[maximusveritas]

31. Seriously, misogyny?

What exactly was misogynist about anything he said? Everything he said was based on her statements and votes.

[Demsrule86]

35. I thought he was a bit condescending.

[maximusveritas]

38. They're debating. Was she not the same to him?

Or every other candidate to the other when engaged in a disagreement?
It's just that some people don't want to see a man ever argue with a woman, but don't make the mistake of projecting that onto Pete.

[Demsrule86]

47. I thought he was unfair...and I don't think that was a good look for him.

[Renew Deal]

48. What is the lie?

[Maribelle]

7. I also agree.

[dsc]

8. It isn't just that it is the constant lying that is bothersome to me

She didn't oppose 2/3 of Trump's judges that is just plain false. This isn't her first time being dishonest in exchanges with Pete.

[we can do it]

9. They both seemed to drag each other down.

[unitedwethrive]

15. I totally agree. I was considering her one of my top two,

but I just don’t see her standing up to IMPOTUS.

I have always liked Biden, and he did well tonight, but I really respect how Buttigieg has handled himself.

[Chemisse]

16. I agree.

She's not as articulate as Pete and uses a bit of nastiness to sharpen her attacks instead.

[Prue]

17. She would never survive Trump

She becomes too defensive.

[NedBraden]

19. If Amy were

... a man you would all be calling her the counter puncher we need to go after Cheato.....in fact she has shown she the only one up there that will be able to go for to toe with that pile of garbage.


But what does it matter MIKE has money, lol


This thing is over. Jy have to wait for the convention and Bloomberg to cut a few checks and then it will be on Bloomberg vs Cheato. Same same. And there will be no democratic party representation on the GE balllot

[madaboutharry]

33. No, I would not.

I don’t like this behavior in any one.

[BlueIdaho]

20. Amy did not help herself at all tonight.

[dbolski]

21. I had the opposite feeling as I watched it.

Pete is overbearing and obnoxious so I was feeling her aggravation.

[question everything]

22. A good preparation to debating Trump

Buttigieg showed mean streaks and insecurity.

[Raine]

23. "Mean streak" is a good thing

when going up against Trump, I'm glad she has one!

[doc03]

61. +1

[squirecam]

24. Oh yes

The angry divisive woman....

It’s total crap.

[BlueWI]

25. Agreed that Klobuchar was unfairly attacked

and Buttigieg's angle seemed pre-planned.

[Aaron Pereira]

30. I don't think it's a mean streak. She's tough.

That's a requirement for the job.

[liberalmediaaddict]

73. Thank you. Read my mind.

[Quixote1818]

32. It was slightly uncomfortable but she is human. nt

[GanjaGrower]

36. Rough week for Klobuchar

Between the Mexican President embarrassment and this dreadful performance it’s been rough.

[squirecam]

60. Your candidate

Blew it. Dead from the first minute tonight.

[Raine]

66. Yup, exactly

[AncientGeezer]

88. Yep

[Demsrule86]

37. Protesters at the debate attacking Biden disgraceful...

I seriously dislike this...don't know who it was but MSNBC did a terrible job tonight.

[earthside]

40. Because Pete was smug and condescending.

I find some of this criticism of Klobuchar to be sexist.

A woman candidate pushes back and defends herself and she is "mean" or "lost her cool".

Frankly, I come away from this debate with a real dislike of Pete.

[madaboutharry]

42. Klobuchar resents him.

He isn’t smug and condescending. Klobuchar needs to take criticism. She is smug and condescending to Pete.

[apcalc]

57. Me too , smarmy.

[cry baby]

43. Derisive tone being unbecoming...would not be said about a man. nt

[madaboutharry]

51. Wrong.

Speaking derisively to another person is always unbecoming behavior. no matter who it is. And that includes men.

[cry baby]

55. I'm old and have been a political junkie for decades.

I’ve never ever heard the word unbecoming used when a man fights back.

[musicblind]

85. I just used it to describe Pete in a comment below

And if you look at my time stamps, I wrote that comment a bit before reading yours.

I use the phrase unbecoming a lot. I've probably used it in other places on DU before. Maybe it's a regional thing. I don't think of it as gender specific, though I can now see why you would.

[Sparkly]

45. That's not what I see.

I see a "mean streak" in men being thoroughly condescending to her and belittling her experience. Pete suggested her years in the Senate were equal to his as mayor of a town in Indiana -- that is simply absurd. She was accused of horrible things, she was not allowed to respond, and even when she was responding, Pete interrupted her TWICE!!

THAT is just obnoxious.

[squirecam]

64. Yep

Pete was condescending tonight.

[emmaverybo]

77. He's out of his league.Knows it. Suddenly the smartest guy in the room gets owned by experience.

You see Whoopi put him in his place? It’s great he’s so ambitious, but he’s damn lucky to share the same stage with all of them.

[Renew Deal]

46. I think she might have been eliminated tonight

[Frasier Balzov]

50. After March 3, Amy and Pete will be sweet to each other.

They will understand that they together are our general election candidates.

[dflprincess]

81. Two midwest centrists

That would excite the electorate.

[Frasier Balzov]

82. Youth and intelligence should.

Female at the top of the ticket should.

Refreshing prospect of rational people (instead of a narcissistic lunatic) in charge of the federal government should.

Broadcasters with regional accents strive to sound like midwesterners, because it gives them a more national appeal.

[Faux pas]

54. I've

always seen it.

[apcalc]

56. Please spare me... she stood her ground ...

Even tho with his pettiness she should have decked him

[doc03]

58. You have seen Trump for 4 or 5 years and you think she is mean. NT

[cliffside]

59. She can throw a punch as can Pete, maybe they are both mean or maybe his tone is also derisive? nt

[brooklynite]

62. A journalist friend said Pete put out the bait and she grabbed at it...

[apcalc]

65. He would do that?...try to bait someone...do not like him

[W_HAMILTON]

68. It's time for her to bow out.

She won't get some random post-debate bump again tonight. I don't know why she has hung around this long to begin with. It's at the point where she is going to start getting negative returns after taking the beating that she did tonight. If she finishes 5th (or worst) in the next two contests, she needs to bow out before Super Tuesday and help keep the dreaded democratic socialist from amassing delegates assisted by what will be a spoiler candidacy for her at that point.

[Demsrule86]

76. I think both Buttigieg and Klobachar should bow out if as I expect they don't do well in

the next couple of elections...and super Tuesday particularly...don't see them getting anywhere with the AA vote.

[emmaverybo]

79. Yes. They both should. Steyer should too. He does not have a chance and so is just taking away votes

from a much better candidate.

[Karma13612]

71. Sooo, maybe she has a short fuse.

I always go back to the “rumors” that she treats her staff badly.

She is a fighter. That is good, BUT.

If it turns off people she needs to work with, then we have a problem.

Leaders bring people together.

I see Liz doing that.

[liberalmediaaddict]

72. I couldn't disagree more

I thought she stood her ground and defended her record. She proved she's a fighter. Every female candidate for President gets accused of this same thing in debates. Meanwhile the men get to yell and imterrupt all night. wish Hillary would have showed some of this emotion when she debated Bernie and Trump in 2016.

Warren and Klobuchar both did great tonight. IMO.

[apcalc]

80. I agree.

[pnwest]

83. I've seen that in her, and my first instinct

is to recoil from it. But I’ve been saying we need someone who will fight back and fight dirty and I think we goddamn need a Dem with a mean streak. It is a natural trait for Dems to be turned off by meanness, but we have to fight fire with fire. For this go’round, I embrace the mean streak. We’ve got to give as good as we’re getting from the playground bullies and speak to them in the only way they understand. They laugh at compassion, reason and understanding. I say “Go, Amy” and be an unmitigated bitch.

Edited to add: I saw her on Real Time last week, and she would not shut up. Or, to look at it from another point of view - Bill tried to talk over her and she wasn’t having it. And my reaction was to dislike her for it. And then I remembered she’s exactly what I’ve been asking for, for years, and I made the conscious decision to support her and that quality about her that I don’t like. For once we need that person who’s kind of an asshole, but takes no shit - and she’s on our side.

[musicblind]

84. I agree with you to an extent, but I think it was also unbecoming of Pete

to push so hard on Amy forgetting a name.

Plus, we need someone with a little bit of a mean streak. I don't think it is her most prominent streak, but being willing to fight back is important, even if she came off condescending in this particular instance. That streak will come in very handy if she is up against Trump.

[madaboutharry]

86. I appreciate all of your opinions.

I think Pete might have been hard on Amy in return for the cartoon accusation in the NH debate. That was a lie and it cost Pete votes. Let’s be honest here, she belittles him and treats him with contempt. It was his right to be hard on her.

[aikoaiko]

87. Minnesota nice is not deep.

Tonight didn’t change my opinion of Amy because it always seems like she was just Minnesota Nice.

On the other hand I don’t think she was very condescending to Pete’s attacks. Pete opened himself up to her replies by impugning her.

Last night was about two candidates operating in the same space.