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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:49 AM Feb 2020

A.B. Stoddard Just Shut The F Up About Bernie

90 Trillion in Bernie Plans no one can pay for. Bullsh*t.

Like we aren't paying trillions now for corporate profitcare when 68,000 a year die from crap or no healthcare.

They don't go to the doctor because they can't afford it. By the time it gets "bad" it is stage 4 everything and it costs millions to ease their suffering while they die. Of course their families go bankrupt too, so they lose a loved one and their house, and everything else. I know media mouthpieces have great healthcare and big paychecks so nothing regular people have to deal with affect your type.

A.B. just come out and say you hate Bernie before babbling your lies and distractions.

How do we pay for healthcare now? We don't. People die by the thousands IN AMERICA. Of course they go bankrupt before they die.

College? How does everyone else pay for it. Not by grinding students into the ground making them debtors for life.

MSNBC get A.B. out of my face. She makes my skin crawl.

No really. She has to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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A.B. Stoddard Just Shut The F Up About Bernie (Original Post) DanieRains Feb 2020 OP
The truth is Bernie is promising a bunch of stuff that he will never deliver redstateblues Feb 2020 #1
They Millionaires Will Pay Taxes For All To Go To School DanieRains Feb 2020 #6
Bernie is fooling a lot of people, unfortunately not enough to beat Trump redstateblues Feb 2020 #15
According to the polls, you are wrong womanofthehills Feb 2020 #28
You may hate her... but she is 100% correct about the math. CalFione Feb 2020 #2
The economic math is irrelevant; the political math is what counts. brooklynite Feb 2020 #40
Venezuela? Really? A.B. What Is Wrong With You DanieRains Feb 2020 #3
It will never pass. Bernie knows it. He cynically is counting on your naivete. CalFione Feb 2020 #5
Part of Bernie's brilliant ruse redstateblues Feb 2020 #16
In a perfect world, yes, but the countries that have it The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #13
Working People Pay High Taxes And Fees When You Add It Up Now DanieRains Feb 2020 #18
All of this is true; but for the last 30 years we have been brainwashed to hate taxes. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #26
Taxes On The Rich Polls Fantastic Even With Republicans DanieRains Feb 2020 #29
Polls are one thing. Actual reality is another, when the tax bill comes due. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #33
So you're against free speech? dware Feb 2020 #4
She Is Steering Not Doing News DanieRains Feb 2020 #7
In this country, she has every right to express her opinion, dware Feb 2020 #9
She It Telling Me To My Face We Can't Pay For Bernie's Plans When We Will Pay Anyway DanieRains Feb 2020 #20
And she has that right to say it, however stupid it is. dware Feb 2020 #21
Ask The Ghost Of Goebbels DanieRains Feb 2020 #24
So you're in favor of stifling free speech? dware Feb 2020 #25
That is a ridiculous assumption Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #27
Do tell us how I'm stifling free speech. dware Feb 2020 #34
Do you really need an explanation? Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #35
LOL. dware Feb 2020 #36
Another call for yet another woman to shut up tishaLA Feb 2020 #8
Liars And Propagandists Trying To Scare Me Away From Reality Covers Both Sexes DanieRains Feb 2020 #12
Search Results Featured snippet from the web In 2017, U.S. health care costs were $3.5 trillion. DanieRains Feb 2020 #10
I saw that. It was insane. But the good news is... DanTex Feb 2020 #11
Yep - His Message Is True Clear And Repeated Till It Sinks In And It Makes Sense For Millions DanieRains Feb 2020 #14
I think it probably helps him. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #30
She is disgusted that the media has made Bernie the winner. rwheeler31 Feb 2020 #17
By Reporting Polls? DanieRains Feb 2020 #23
She was right.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #19
Right By Trying To Scare Me With Crap Numbers For Crap We Will Pay For Anyway? DanieRains Feb 2020 #22
i know what you mean MFM008 Feb 2020 #31
She is right Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #32
I admit that I get tired of my fellow Democrats telling me what we CAN'T do. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #37
Remember 2008 motto: NO WE CAN'T nobuddy Feb 2020 #38
Precisely. Obama would have lost with that slogan. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #39
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
1. The truth is Bernie is promising a bunch of stuff that he will never deliver
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:57 AM
Feb 2020

My daughter commuted to a state school and graduated with honors without going into debt. It’s not necessary to borrow $200K to get a degree. Besides that, why should taxpayers have to pay for millionaires kids to go to college. That doesn’t make any sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
6. They Millionaires Will Pay Taxes For All To Go To School
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:02 AM
Feb 2020

Including their kids.

For once.

Not just working slobs like me.

You are right though. If 100 million of us aren't demanding a piece of the pie, the corporations will keep screwing us.

At least Bernie has the courage to talk about the screwage (along with others).

If I were to vote in a presidential
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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
15. Bernie is fooling a lot of people, unfortunately not enough to beat Trump
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:12 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
28. According to the polls, you are wrong
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:46 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

CalFione

(571 posts)
2. You may hate her... but she is 100% correct about the math.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:58 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
40. The economic math is irrelevant; the political math is what counts.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:16 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
3. Venezuela? Really? A.B. What Is Wrong With You
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:00 AM
Feb 2020

Medicare for all is what EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. It is FAR BETTER than what we have here. Better outcomes for half as much. America's infant mortality is like 3rd world levels. We don't take care of poor women. They can't pay. Their babies die. Fact.

Google it.

"Infant Mortality. According to this year's America's Health Ranking Annual Report, the U.S. infant mortality rate is 5.9 deaths per 1,000 live infant births, while the average rate of infant mortality among the OECD countries is 3.9 deaths per 1,000 live births."

Also, my wife's eye medication costs 10 TIMES AS MUCH HERE as is does overseas.

We are being robbed.

Do you work for PHARMA and are not telling anyone?

M4A isn't crazy. It works great in countries without so many stupid people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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CalFione

(571 posts)
5. It will never pass. Bernie knows it. He cynically is counting on your naivete.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:01 AM
Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
16. Part of Bernie's brilliant ruse
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:14 AM
Feb 2020

He promises things he knows will never pass.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
13. In a perfect world, yes, but the countries that have it
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:11 AM
Feb 2020

also have very high tax rates for everybody. The top marginal tax rate in Denmark is 60% and they also have a VAT on just about everything. Any politician who proposed taxing Americans at the same rates as the Nordic countries would have no hope of re-election. That is the reality, unfortunately.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
18. Working People Pay High Taxes And Fees When You Add It Up Now
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:18 AM
Feb 2020

Maybe not as high as Denmark, but they have few national resources.

Our top tax rate was 93% at one time.

Google

The top federal income tax rate was 91 percent in 1950 and 1951, and between 1954 and 1959. In 1952 and 1953, the top federal
income tax rate was 92 percent. [2] Some of the distributional assumptions in the Piketty, Saez, and Zucman paper are questionable.

You know the 50's when CEO's made 6 times as much as the workers, the wife didn't have to work, and we built the freeway system.

And yes, we did have a little problem or two with keepin' the brothers down, but the 60's started that to change. At least a little.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
26. All of this is true; but for the last 30 years we have been brainwashed to hate taxes.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:28 AM
Feb 2020

The current Congress, including Dems, would rather cut off a limb than introduce a bill that raises taxes. It’s political suicide these days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
29. Taxes On The Rich Polls Fantastic Even With Republicans
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:53 AM
Feb 2020

But ya gotta be careful.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
33. Polls are one thing. Actual reality is another, when the tax bill comes due.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:25 AM
Feb 2020

In countries that have government managed health care everybody’s taxes are high.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dware

(18,060 posts)
4. So you're against free speech?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:00 AM
Feb 2020

Or are you just against speech you don't agree with?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
7. She Is Steering Not Doing News
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:03 AM
Feb 2020

Propaganda I believe it is called.

I am tired of paid shills for corporate scum telling me lies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dware

(18,060 posts)
9. In this country, she has every right to express her opinion,
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:04 AM
Feb 2020

just as you do.

I may not like what someone says, but I will defend their right to say it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
20. She It Telling Me To My Face We Can't Pay For Bernie's Plans When We Will Pay Anyway
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:20 AM
Feb 2020

When media scum do propaganda it is our job to call them out on it.

I just see her on night after night spewing this garbage.

I understand math.

God I wish others did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dware

(18,060 posts)
21. And she has that right to say it, however stupid it is.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:22 AM
Feb 2020

What part of that don't you get?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
24. Ask The Ghost Of Goebbels
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:26 AM
Feb 2020

And read Mein Kampf.

Saying stuff to millions matters.

Putin is around. Ask him about propaganda and spreading fear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dware

(18,060 posts)
25. So you're in favor of stifling free speech?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:28 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sucha NastyWoman

(3,019 posts)
27. That is a ridiculous assumption
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:41 AM
Feb 2020

One could say that you are the one who is stifling free speech

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dware

(18,060 posts)
34. Do tell us how I'm stifling free speech.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:14 AM
Feb 2020

This should be good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Sucha NastyWoman

(3,019 posts)
35. Do you really need an explanation?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:04 AM
Feb 2020

You obviously do not think DanielRains has the right to disagree with what A B Stoddard said. Yes, he says she should shut up but he is not doing anything legally to make that happen. It’s just his way of expressing his opinion, which you don’t like.

She has her opinion which I don’t care for, and he has his. Both have expressed themselves.

Don’t expect an answer back for your next reply. I have better things to do than get in an inane argument with you

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dware

(18,060 posts)
36. LOL.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:12 AM
Feb 2020

A swing and a miss.

I never said that the poster couldn't, nor shouldn't have an opinion, my contention is that the poster is saying that MSNBC needs to get rid of her because he/she doesn't like what she's saying.

No really. She has to go.


That's attempting to stifle free speech.


I urge everyone to express their opinion, I may not like it, but I recognize a right to express it.



If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

tishaLA

(14,777 posts)
8. Another call for yet another woman to shut up
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:04 AM
Feb 2020
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
12. Liars And Propagandists Trying To Scare Me Away From Reality Covers Both Sexes
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:09 AM
Feb 2020

A.B. just makes my skin crawl more than other propaganda spewers. I really don't know why. Kinda like how I feel about Santorum. Don't google Santorum by the way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
10. Search Results Featured snippet from the web In 2017, U.S. health care costs were $3.5 trillion.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:07 AM
Feb 2020

3.5 Trillion per year according to Google. Times 30 years comes to 100 trillion.

M4A will save trillions over time according to recent studies.

Stop the "scary big number" crap.

I understand math.

I also understand my wife can't quit her job because we need good healthcare. Freedom? Not hardly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. I saw that. It was insane. But the good news is...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:07 AM
Feb 2020

The media has been doing this the whole time and Bernie has still shot to the top of the polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
14. Yep - His Message Is True Clear And Repeated Till It Sinks In And It Makes Sense For Millions
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:12 AM
Feb 2020

Cheaper healthcare for all, and free tuition. Not that hard to understand. They can do it everywhere else in advanced countries.

If Bernie gets some of the money out of politics then campaigns won't be able to buy all them television ads. No wonder they don't want him to succeed.

He isn't afraid to step on the toes of our "owners" and they will pull out all the stops to stop him.

The 1% has a lot of tools in their toolbox to keep a "real" populist from getting power.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
30. I think it probably helps him.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:58 AM
Feb 2020

The dominant force is opposition to the status quo, and the mainstream media's opposition to Sanders only reinforces or strengthens his support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

rwheeler31

(6,242 posts)
17. She is disgusted that the media has made Bernie the winner.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:16 AM
Feb 2020

He is doing nothing to help the Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
23. By Reporting Polls?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:25 AM
Feb 2020

And telling the truth about his strengths?

Some of us are tired of being robbed.

How many of us are there?

We may soon find out.

A lot of them voted for the con man last time, instead of the one giving speeches for hundreds of thousands at a crack.

I have friends that voted for Trump thinking that he was gonna fix stuff. They aren't all that bright, I admit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Callado119

(171 posts)
19. She was right..
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:19 AM
Feb 2020

...and accusing everyone that dares criticize him as “hating bernie” is weak and very trumpian ..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
22. Right By Trying To Scare Me With Crap Numbers For Crap We Will Pay For Anyway?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:22 AM
Feb 2020

She is doing propaganda.

Whether you like Bernie or not it isn't right.

I am not even sure I will vote for Bernie in the primary here in Washington.

He is just right about almost everything.

We are being screwed by the oligarchs who run our country, and get stupid people to vote against their families.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
31. i know what you mean
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:23 AM
Feb 2020

Thank God its not a caucus again here in WA.
cant deal with Sanders more fanatical supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,542 posts)
32. She is right
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:33 AM
Feb 2020

Rainbow promises not so much.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
37. I admit that I get tired of my fellow Democrats telling me what we CAN'T do. n/t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:03 AM
Feb 2020

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nobuddy

(215 posts)
38. Remember 2008 motto: NO WE CAN'T
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
39. Precisely. Obama would have lost with that slogan. n/t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:14 AM
Feb 2020

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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