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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:32 AM Feb 2020

Politifact - Warrens slam on Amy was of course not true.

Politifact examines the claim and while it played well on tv, it was far from the truth.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/feb/20/fact-checking-las-vegas-democratic-debate-bloomber/


“Amy, I looked online at your (health care) plan. It’s two paragraphs." — Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

This is highly misleading.

Warren’s campaign told PolitiFact that she was referring specifically to Klobuchar’s plan for "universal health care." It pointed to the two paragraphs at the end of this Klobuchar campaign web page, which come under the heading "Propose legislation to get us to universal health care."

But that ignores most of Klobuchar’s health care plan, which she outlines in quite a bit of detail on four different web pages — a main health care policy page, a more detailed sub-page, a sub-page on prescription drugs and a sub-page on mental health. Klobuchar supports building on the Affordable Care Act and adding a public option that expands Medicare and Medicaid.

— Louis Jacobson
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Politifact - Warrens slam on Amy was of course not true. (Original Post) squirecam Feb 2020 OP
I'd hardly consider calling 4 web pages '2 pages' ... highly misleading ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #1
She didn't say 2 pages she said 2 paragraphs, dismissively. MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #4
Exactly this. nt DURHAM D Feb 2020 #5
It's still not all that serious of a plan, lets be real ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #7
If it's more than two paragraphs, then calling it two paragraphs is in fact misleading. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #9
Exactly squirecam Feb 2020 #8
Yeah, that was the one thing that didn't make me happy... well, two. I'm sure Buttigieg... LAS14 Feb 2020 #2
Have you been to her website? It is true Perseus Feb 2020 #3
OTOH I checked out Warren's site cilla4progress Feb 2020 #6
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. I'd hardly consider calling 4 web pages '2 pages' ... highly misleading ...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:38 AM
Feb 2020

When someone says it's '2 pages' the point is it's small/not fleshed out.

And 4 web pages meets that criteria.

"Not Entirely Incorrect" I'd accept as valid.

"Highly Misleading" ... it's really not.

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MontanaFarmer

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4. She didn't say 2 pages she said 2 paragraphs, dismissively.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:40 AM
Feb 2020

Some difference there.

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mr_lebowski

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7. It's still not all that serious of a plan, lets be real ...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:43 PM
Feb 2020

2 paragraphs, 2 pages, 4 web pages ... it's not 'highly misleading' to call it any of these terms.

The point is there's very little 'to it'.

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TwilightZone

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9. If it's more than two paragraphs, then calling it two paragraphs is in fact misleading.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:43 PM
Feb 2020

This isn't complicated. It's either true or it's not, and it sounds like it's clearly not.

That makes it either misleading or a lie, depending on how much benefit of the doubt one extends to Warren.

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LAS14

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2. Yeah, that was the one thing that didn't make me happy... well, two. I'm sure Buttigieg...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:38 AM
Feb 2020

... has more to say in his plan also.

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Perseus

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3. Have you been to her website? It is true
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:40 AM
Feb 2020

A few days ago I went to her website and I told my wife almost exactly the same as what Warren said. The lack of details is astonishing for someone who is running for president.

Not sure if she has changed that in the last week, but Warren is correct, Amy's descriptions of each point on her agenda look like they were written by a sixth grader, they are vague and short.

The number of choices on her website is so limited, it was very discouraging to go there, I browsed and came to the same conclusion as Warren, so I closed it.

If you look at Warren's and Sanders' websites you find details. Warren's is the best of all, she has a very clear plan, so does Sanders but hers is full of detail, it is a master piece, you leave her website with very few questions.

"Warren’s campaign told PolitiFact that she was referring specifically to Klobuchar’s plan for "universal health care.""
Nope, the entire website is pitiful. As I said, it looks like a sixth grader put it together.

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cilla4progress

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6. OTOH I checked out Warren's site
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020

last night - where I went to donate after her EPIC debate "performance"...

it was very, very good!

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