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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:50 AM Feb 2020

The biggest hits on Bernie are lies: "Communism" and "Bernie Bros".

Why does Bernie keep rising in the polls? Because that's all they've got. Two false smears.

Everything Bernie proposes is common throughout the world, there is no semblance to communism whatsoever.

Anonymous people on the internet are rude, including some supporters of all presidential candidates.

Still, those talking points aren't going away. The media is going to keep pushing them and attacking Bernie, as they have been the entire time. And I'm sure Bloomberg is going to keep insisting that worker representation on corporate boards is "communism" even though he obviously knows that's a lie, because he's done business in places like Germany and France.

There will always be some people who consider Bernie to be a communist leading an online horde of hateful Bernie Bros, because lies can be effective if repeated often enough. But as soon as anyone looks into those talking points past the surface, they realize very quickly that they are false. There's no substance. On substance, Bernie wins.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
1. The second is an earned perception.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:52 AM
Feb 2020

Speaking of no substance, you again failed to provide objective evidence to support your premise (but that's a feature, not a bug, yes?).

In other words, "there's no substance..."

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Autumn

(45,073 posts)
2. Please add BUT HIS HEALTH RECORDS!!! The delightful new version of BUT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:55 AM
Feb 2020
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
3. LOL. I think that lie's gonna come and go, but good point!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:57 AM
Feb 2020
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samnsara

(17,622 posts)
4. i never considered him a communist..ever...but the bros behavior has been observed
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:57 AM
Feb 2020
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lark

(23,099 posts)
5. Who then were actively booing Klobuchar and Buttigieg in NH?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:59 AM
Feb 2020

It was the Bernie Bros - they are a real observable part of his campaign and have been since 2016.

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JudyM

(29,236 posts)
6. And the false smear of supposed unelectability
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:47 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/20/bloomberg-only-looks-electable-bernie-sanders-really-is-column/4812232002/
Face facts, Bernie Sanders is electable
It’s well past time to bury the 'Bernie is unelectable' trope. He has a better shot than moderate Bloomberg.

It’s true that at one point calling yourself a “Democratic socialist” would be a bridge too far for many voters, including Democrats. But that was before people began to realize how unmoored the American capitalist system is from any sense of ethics or morality. The level of economic inequality and suffering from lack of affordable health care, crushing debt, and a discriminatory and racist for-profit incarceration system in one of the world’s wealthiest countries is astonishing. People are exhausted from working non-stop trying to just survive financially in a system that dangles the carrot of financial stability or wealth always slightly out of reach except for a favored few. Nothing about this is normal and that is fundamentally Bernie Sanders’ so-called “radical” argument. ...

What ultimately will make the Democratic standard bearer electable is his or her ability to excite and turn out voters. This is why the most pertinent issue for Bernie’s electability argument has been his weak history attracting African American support. While he made significant inroads since 2016, much of that critical voting bloc has been locked up with Joe Biden. But that is shifting. Tuesday’s NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist found that Bernie has narrowed that gap to just three points, and he tops Bloomberg by 12 points.


Oh and this...

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/11/12/bernie-sanders-has-more-diverse-support-you-think#
Bernie Sanders Has More Diverse Support Than You Think
"While there’s no one candidate that’s won the hearts and minds of all women voters, it’s Bernie Sanders who has made the most progress."

Suburban women, as Nicole Goodkind writes in Fortune, “[were] crucial to President Donald Trump’s election in 2016 and will be equally crucial to his reelection campaign next year.” Recent polling and actual election results, however, show Trump cannot take them for granted, and the same can be said for more centrist Democrats.

Goodkind is referring to data released from the Federal Election Commission and analyzed by the Center for Responsive Politics... And while there’s no one candidate that’s won the hearts and minds of all women voters, it’s Bernie Sanders who has made the most progress.

“Of all the potential 2020 candidates,” Goodkind writes, “Sanders has taken in the most money from women, raising about $17.1 million in itemized contributions, or 40% of his total funds.”
Many of those women are from the suburbs, the same ones Trump needs to win.
Sanders received “over $13 million in small-dollar donations from nearly 280,000 suburban women. Combining small- and large-dollar donations, Sanders earned more than any other presidential candidate amongst suburban women with a total of $15 million from small and large donors alike.”...

Sanders, The New York Times reported this weekend, “has collected more money from Latino voters than any other candidate in the Democratic field, raising three times as much from the group as Barack Obama did in 2008.”


See https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/suburban-women-donors

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