Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThe working poor and Sanders M4A.
Lets follow this thru even though we know Sanders can't get it passed.
I make $11.75 an hour in a high cost state. I cannot afford monthly living expense though I live dirt poor. And I am good with that. I do not have a lot of needs or wants. Food, roof over the head, pay my bills.
Still, I am looking for ways to reduce more because my cost of living exceeds my wage. I am old. I will not be hired elsewhere at a greater paying job, increasing monthly income. I am still throwing out apps, but I do not see it happening. To reduce monthly cost I went from ACA silver at $148 a month to ACA bronze at $1.11.
I am also taking my car insurance from full coverage of $600 to liability of $385.
Everything I can do to reduce monthly expense so my wage can cover expenses. Even a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for dinner five days a week, cause food isn't that big a deal.
Every little penny is considered.
Sanders wants M4A. Think of the people without insurance, Sanders says. No. I say Sanders is thinking about the middle class. They are paying a higher cost, they are the ones Sanders wants to help because Sanders plan will cost me more in payroll tax and income tax and not be a mere $1.11 a month. That we can be sure of.
I guess I can have that peanut butter and jelly sandwich every other day.
So, when Sanders puts out a message to shame us for not backing his M4A plan because we are thinking about only ourselves instead of those without insurance, I ask him. What about me?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)is with nothing unusual coming up. 29K is nothing. Live in any blue state and 29K will barely pay the bills and that is single, one person. This is living poor, running numbers on everything bought. Not buying clothes here, getting teeth worked on their. Living poor. What it looks like. Not middle class or upper middle class Sanders is addressing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Which means if you make less than 29k you don't have to pay taxes for M4A but you still get covered. No premiums, no deductibles, no copayments.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)with payroll taxes and income taxes. Thank you so much for your empathy, consideration and thoughtful reply because as Sanders says, those of us that do not back his plan, truly are, only thinking of ourselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Especially for the comprehensive coverage M4A will provide.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)And even if you somehow get slightly over $29k, your expense would still be near zero. Because the first $29k is still exempted.
And thats for no out of pocket health, vision and dental.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I would gladly pay 4% of my income over 29k to get comprehensive health insurance. That's much cheaper than buying private insurance now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)A healthier and more productive populace benefits us all. There are a lot of hidden costs with the current system.
Just like there are a lot of hidden costs in terms of our energy systems.
The problem is this is a tough sell for an exhausted, propagandized and easily distracted population. Recognizing hidden costs, or accepting short-term sacrifice for long-term gain, doesn't come naturally for most folks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to krissey (Reply #2)
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krissey
(1,205 posts)I get overtime whenever I can. I can clock in 15 minutes early, and I do. I can work after my 8 if needed and I do. Ten minutes here, 20 minutes there, it accumulates. I get bonus $5 every written good review I get. I am good at that, I get them every pay period just about. 2-5.
I get points that amount to dollars if I sign people up for rewards. It gave me an extra $1,000. but then I have to declare them thru a 1099 and be taxed on them. It also pushed my income above the 25K I gave to ACA so I will probably have to throw more of my cash to cover that.
You call me a liar?
I also have an amount taken out of every paycheck that is sent to a state savings fund which makes my monthly lower but I figure over all a good thing to be building a savings.
You are really calling me a liar?
I work every schedule shift and every extra shift asked, and pump my hours as much as I can with overtime.
Liar?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to krissey (Reply #20)
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krissey
(1,205 posts)My calculations and explanations are perfectly right on because I do not LIE.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Rilgin
(787 posts)My calculations were indeed wrong and I apologize for any questions on your description of your situation.
My critic of your concern over M4A remains and was what caught my eye in your post that it will not cost you money. M4A is great for working poor who might be barely able to afford a bronze plan payment to an insurance company but will not be able to afford the actual doctor or medicine.
Again, my apologies for my fat fingers on my calculator and not cross-checking my math and reacting on that point other than the policy itself and solely.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)for you.
Liar? Really?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)I am doing the best I can now, counting on that incremental increase over the next three years to COVER all my bills, using savings or retirement seeing I am old. So, I finally get it to $14 an hour, now making his 29K and he takes my minimum wage increase cost of living wage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)In other words, if you make $29,001 in a year, you are taxed on that $1. 4% of $1 is 4 cents. Not a bad deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)120 a month. Someone making 60k would pay 1240. a month. Do it have the numbers correct?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
4% of 3000 is $120 for the year, which breaks down to $10/month. 60k would pay $103/month.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)...amount of tax on income over $29k someone would pay to help fund M4A.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)Currently, Medicare charges a premium. Does bernies plan require zero premium at certain income levels? Does Warrens plan require zero premium at certain income levels? Yes, I could spend hours researching but if you know their plans, please explain
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)One of which would be how people pay into the program. If you make $29k or below, you pay zero in taxes and still receive full Medicare benefits, which will also be reformed under Bernie's legislation. After the $29k threshold, you will pay a 4% income tax on every $1 after the 29k. For example, if you make $29,001 in a year, you will be taxed 4 cents for the year. If you make $60k in a year, you would pay about $1,250 for the year (or $103/mo). It's a good deal.
EDIT: Also, here's a link to the full text of Bernie's bill for reference.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/text
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)So, you would be making more to start with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)I might be able to make it by the time it gets me to $14 an hour.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)You support Warren who supports MFA. What is it about her plan that appeals to you vs Bernies Plan?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)I am eligible for Medicare in 8 years.
If I have to pay a payroll tax for Medicare starting now, it will cost me more than my current insurance, which is similar to Medicare in total costs, my 43 years of equity into Medicare gets flushed down the Sanders shithole, and I spend the rest of my life eating rice and beans if I am lucky because of his fucking payroll tax. Also, Because his tax will eat up every penny of my retirement and my Social Security, I'll never get to actually retire, so my future is telling people "Welcome to Costco, I love you" living off rice and beans and praying I never actually get sick.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden