Warren flip flops on super pacs and now has one

[Bumperstickers]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2020/02/20/elizabeth-warren-flip-flops-on-super-pac-aid/amp/

Not A good look for someone who slammed other dem candidates for having super pacs months ago.

[radical noodle]

1. Yeah, those wine caves

are really a big problem.

[Celerity]

2. well, in her case it was 120 dollar cheesesteaks, not the dreaded wine caves, lolol

How Elizabeth Warren Raised Big Money Before She Denounced Big Money

Ms. Warren wooed wealthy donors for years, stockpiling money from fund-raisers, and has used $10.4 million from her 2018 Senate race to underwrite her 2020 bid.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html

snip

The open secret of Ms. Warren’s campaign is that her big-money fund-raising through 2018 helped lay the foundation for her anti-big-money run for the presidency. Last winter and spring, she transferred $10.4 million in leftover funds from her 2018 Senate campaign to underwrite her 2020 run, a portion of which was raised from the same donor class she is now running against.

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As Ms. Warren has risen in the polls on her populist and anti-corruption message, some donors and, privately, opponents are chafing at her campaign’s purity claims of being “100 percent grass-roots funded.” Several donors now hosting events for her rivals organized fund-raisers for her last year. “Can you spell hypocrite?” said former Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania, who contributed $4,000 to Ms. Warren in 2018 and is now supporting former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Mr. Rendell said he had recruited donors to attend an intimate fund-raising dinner for Ms. Warren last year at Barclay Prime, a Philadelphia steakhouse where the famed cheesesteak goes for $120. (The dish includes Wagyu rib-eye, foie gras, truffled cheese whiz and a half-bottle of champagne.) He said he received a “glowing thank-you letter” from Ms. Warren afterward.

But when Mr. Rendell co-hosted Mr. Biden’s first fund-raiser this spring, Ms. Warren’s campaign sent brickbats, deriding the affair as “a swanky private fund-raiser for wealthy donors,” the likes of which she now shuns. “She didn’t have any trouble taking our money the year before,” Mr. Rendell said. “All of a sudden, we were bad guys and power brokers and influence-peddlers. In 2018, we were wonderful.”

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[Bumperstickers]

5. She really set herself up for the next debate

Pete, Joe and Amy are going in with major ammo now.

[SergeStorms]

7. If they're smart.....

they'll just ignore her, like so many Democratic voters are doing right now.

[GanjaGrower]

3. That's a pretty bad look

Good for thee but not for me I guess

[blm]

4. Well, she did ask everyone to join her and they refused.

What are ya gonna do?

This persist pac is all about progressive policy. It is not pac money from insurance industry, fossil fuels, big pharmaceutical, etc.... now, is it?

Is persist pac secretive about its donors? Is Warren being transparent about the pac’s support and their agenda?

[Bumperstickers]

13. It's still a pac and she send out emails

Asking for donations for her entire campaign touting she takes no money from lobbyist. Very misleading and some of us feel we were hoodwinked.

[blm]

15. You're not one of her supporters and the pac is not lobbyists.

The feigned outrage and concern is noted. I’ll inform the campaign to be on the lookout.

Feel better soon.

[Bumperstickers]

20. I donated to several campaigns including

Hers, Sanders and Yang, so I have every right to speak my mind.

[blm]

22. And, Sanders starting the very pac spending millions for his campaign

inspires no outrage from you. But, OMG!!!!! Elizabeth......How COULD you?

I am feeling just so......hoodwinked.

Sure.

[MH1]

37. Yup

Interesting pose there.

[UniteFightBack]

26. It was one of the pillars of her campaign for goodness sake. nt

[SergeStorms]

6. Not only on super PACs.....

She starts off wanting to be "Bernie Lite", and when that doesn't work for her she veers to the middle and attacks all those already there instead of attacking Bernie (her supposed opponent on the far left). Now the flip-flop on the super PACs. But her acolytes love her, and she raised a bunch of money overnight (those super PACs sure help, huh, Elizabeth?) and all is well in Warren-World again. Until it isn't.

[blm]

18. Horsepoo. That sounds incredibly uninformed.

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Warren didn’t try to be Bernie. Bernie has based much of his economic policy positions that YOU like in the DECADES of painstaking research performed by Warren and other academics.

Politicians were coming to Warren and referencing her work and her BOOKS long before Sanders won his senate seat.

Sheesh....try reality. Bottom line....Why do you spread propaganda against Warren?

[abqtommy]

9. I like Liz and if she's the nominee she'll get my vote. How about you?

[krissey]

10. Nope, she said was giving it a try to not do that during the primary but would absolutely use them

in GE. Now she has learned that she needs them in the primary and fluid enough to know to adjust and not cut her nose off to spite her face. I think it is a little bit awesome. Go Warren.

[UniteFightBack]

28. She did not say she was 'giving it a try'....she denounced it and made it a cornerstone of her

campaign...which was stupid to do in the first place. I don't blame her for wanting to use pac money just be honest about the change - and she was not honest in the CNN town hall about her change of heart.

Other than that though...which this isn't really anything I think Liz is a pretty clean candidate....it's just too bad she doesn't do better in the swing states.

[krissey]

38. I heard in an interview where Warren said she was doing it in the primary to show it could be done.

And of course she was going to use whatever money to beat GE.

She see it cannot be done.

I do not know what she said on the CNN townhall. I will have to go back and read.

[CalFione]

11. Unilateral disarmament when the opponents refuse to do so is suicide

You play by the rules as they are, even as trying to change them for the future.

[HarlanPepper]

50. Finally someone who gets it.

[sagesnow]

51. The best response to this non-issue

She's going to have to have $$$$$$ to win.
Liz will do what it takes to win.

[Gothmog]

12. Are fund raisers at wine caves back on the schedule?

[blm]

14. You should hold one for her for doing all the heavy lifting against Bloomberg

Which certainly helped Biden...... a lot.

Mock her all you want if your ego needs it.

I understand the desperate need to feel mighty after Warren showed how to get the job done on Wednesday.

Some gratitude would be nice, eh?

[cwydro]

17. Well said.

[UniteFightBack]

25. It actually helped herself too since she was literally out of money and took out a 3 million

line of credit to keep afloat. This debate 'performance' saved her from dipping into that...but her campaign was on life support. I had no idea about that but it explains everything.

[blm]

43. It helped her and ESPECIALLY the weakened Biden who Bloomberg

Was siphoning votes from more than any other candidate.

You don’t have it in you to be gracious towards her, eh? I wonder why.

[blm]

48. Go Liz you're helping Joe

Yeah that balances it all out. In some world.

[UniteFightBack]

49. Ok I've wasted enough time on this...time to do something more productive like cleaning out the

cat box.

[cwydro]

16. So?

[redqueen]

19. Do you understand how super PACs work?

I'm guessing no.

[Tweedy]

21. Are you upset with others?

Because they all have them

Bernie's is a foundation, tax free help, no disclosure.

[Blue_true]

23. She realized that everyone else except Klobuchar had one.

Bernie has two.

She is belatedly trying to level the playing field.

[denem]

32. Klobuchar has a Super Pac supporting her.

She announced it before Warren.

[Blue_true]

34. Until both announced, neither had one. Warren asked others to tell theirs to bug out,

no one did, so Liz was going to a gunfight with a pencil. Now, she is trying to bring a loaded cannon to make the fight fair.

[denem]

36. I stand corrected.

Sisterhood solidarity. Good.

[UniteFightBack]

24. When asked to explain in her recent town hall she was very disingenuous. nt

[denem]

33. Not disingenuous at all.

'I do not believe in unilateral disarmament.'

The same thing she has been saying about the GE since the start of the campaign. 'I do not believe in unilateral disarmament'. She will be attending big donor fundraisers, and accept Super Pac support.

[blm]

41. How ungenerous of you since she singlehandedly stopped the bleeding

of support from Biden to Bloomberg.

No generosity or gratitude in your world?

[UniteFightBack]

44. I did actually make a post somewhere saying go on Liz you're helping Joe! All I'm saying is her

one answer about this one topic was not an answer ...it was at the very end of the town hall and she was not pressed on it. It was a good political answer...a non answer.

[blm]

46. UN g r a c i o u s

[UniteFightBack]

47. You need to delete this personal attack. Thanks. nt

[apcalc]

27. If that's what she needs to compete...fine.

[ibegurpard]

29. No candidate has a super pac

They aren't technically allowed to coordinate with them. They certainly don't set them up themselves. Attacking any candidate for "having" a super pac is bullshit.

[RandySF]

30. Everybody has one except Bloomberg

[denem]

31. Unlike Biden, it's not for lack of money.

Announced on the day of Warren's biggest fundraising so far. Perfect timing.

Warren has repeatedly said she would do big donor fundraisers, and accept Super PAC support in the GE - 'I do not believe in unilateral disarmament'.

[UniteFightBack]

39. Actually it was for lack of money...she had none and took out a 3 million line of credit. They are

all broke except Bloom and Bern. If it were not for that well crafted debate 'performance' she would have had to dip into the credit.

Let's just keep it real here.

[denem]

40. Let's get real indeed.

Warren has spent her cash on infrastructure. She has 5 offices in CA, and fifty paid staff. Biden has one office, and, as of a week ago, Klobuchar.

[UniteFightBack]

42. What part of they are all broke do you not understand??? They are all spending more than they

are bringing in ....except Bernie. What point are you desperately trying to prove?

[ecstatic]

35. Good. I wasn't a fan of her position

regarding that. You have to fight fire with fire.

[Squinch]

52. Oh, please. It's post Citizens United. If you don't have one you're a fool. My only

complaint is against the hypocrisy of those who proclaim their financial virtue while taking money from their own super pac.

[dpibel]

53. Charlie Pierce about that

I tend to think Charles P. knows what he's talking about. But for the bashers, he is a Mass guy and an admitted Warren fan.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a31040278/elizabeth-warren-super-pac-reversal/

Both Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar both now have Super PACs supporting them. They are accepting financial help from these Super PACs. As the OpenSecrets folk report, we’re not going to find out who’s running these things until a substantial way down the line. The reason for this is that they both would like to be President of the United States one day, and this is the way you get to do that. In fact, they don’t even have any control over who wants to establish a Super PAC. These are not my rules. These are Anthony Kennedy’s rules.

This is more likely to be an issue for Senator Professor Warren than it is for Klobuchar. SPW made a lot of noise for a long time inveighing against Super PACs. She was asked her about what appears to be an about-face. This is what she said, via Real Clear Politics:

So, look, the first day I got in this race I said I hope every presidential candidate who comes in will agree no super PACs for any of us. I renewed that call dozens of times, and I couldn’t get a single Democrat to go along. Finally we reached the point a few weeks ago where all the men who are still in this race and on the debate stage all had either super PACs or they were multibillionaires and could just rummage around in their sock drawers to find enough money to be able to fund a campaign. And the only people who didn't have them were the two women. And at that point, there were some women around the country who said, 'You know, that’s just not right.’ So here's where I stand: if all the candidates want to get rid of super PACS, count me in. I'll lead the charge. But that's how it has to be. It can't be the case that a bunch of people keep them and only one to two don’t.

This is not a great answer, but it’s the only one that Justice Kennedy’s opinion left open to anyone who wants to run for president, unless they happen to be Michael Bloomberg. Even Bernie Sanders conforms to it, although his people make the risible claim that Our Revolution isn’t a Super PAC because they spend the money on legal pads instead of television ads.

[BootinUp]

54. no surprise. nt

[Ferryboat]

55. Enough of the outrage

It takes money to run a campaign. In the long run you need Lots of money
Small donors aren't enough.

[Fiendish Thingy]

56. Ask me if I G.A.F.

And she still out raised all other candidates so far this month, in grass roots donations.