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IcyPeas

(21,855 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:16 PM Feb 2020

neither my heart nor my head is helping me at this moment

I like a few of the candidates and their positions. but if I had to pick one right now I am honestly still undecided.

I like Biden, Warren and Buttigieg, but in no particular order. pros and cons on each.

I've crossed off Klobuchar, Sanders and Bloomberg.

I've watched every debate, most of the town halls, I read these posts...... nothing moves me closer to deciding.

I've never been this indecisive before. I know I am not alone. according to our stats here at DU 43% of us are still in the same boat.

Also is this going to be decided by delegates? Is that fair?

Also I hate the electoral college.







If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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neither my heart nor my head is helping me at this moment (Original Post) IcyPeas Feb 2020 OP
Why do you HATE Bernie!!!??? brooklynite Feb 2020 #1
You need some kind of smilie on that one wryter2000 Feb 2020 #3
Ugh. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #7
Biden will only be in two or so debates with Trump if he wins the nomination. applegrove Feb 2020 #2
David Leonhardt NYT wrote about Warren... Ninga Feb 2020 #4
thanks. it's good to hear people's reasons and comparisons IcyPeas Feb 2020 #10
Warren and Biden are the most viable RandySF Feb 2020 #5
God, I hope you're right wryter2000 Feb 2020 #8
yes, I think they are the most viable too. IcyPeas Feb 2020 #11
Wish I could help wryter2000 Feb 2020 #6
I'm in SoCal too. IcyPeas Feb 2020 #12
I'm Oakland wryter2000 Feb 2020 #18
I'm undecided, mostly by choice. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #9
How about Biden - he is winning in the swing states by the largest margin. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #13
When's your primary? PETRUS Feb 2020 #14
March 3rd. around the corner. IcyPeas Feb 2020 #15
Ah, then you don't have the same luxury I do. PETRUS Feb 2020 #16
My strategy too - Primary is June 2nd eom JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #17
My mail in ballot arrived yesterday... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #19
 

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
1. Why do you HATE Bernie!!!???
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:17 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
3. You need some kind of smilie on that one
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:21 PM
Feb 2020

I had to look at your candidate choice to tell if you were serious or not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
7. Ugh.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
Feb 2020

Every time I see that, I wonder if the person is even old enough to vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

applegrove

(118,576 posts)
2. Biden will only be in two or so debates with Trump if he wins the nomination.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:19 PM
Feb 2020

The rest will be speeches, interviews or town halls where he does well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(8,274 posts)
4. David Leonhardt NYT wrote about Warren...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:21 PM
Feb 2020

Snip......
The brief version of her strengths is simple enough: She would probably make a very effective and progressive president.

She has spent years studying a defining issue of our time: the slowdown in the improvement of living standards for most Americans. Taking on this problem would be her guiding priority, and she would not shy away from ambitious solutions, as Democrats too often have in recent decades.

She has also shown an understanding of how to use the levers of bureaucracy effectively, as she did when creating the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She understands that bold programs — easily understandable to voters — are often more politically popular than technocratic programs, as I explained in a recent column.

As Vox’s Ezra Klein has written:

She has repeatedly proven her ability to master complex topics, comprehend impenetrable systems, run tricky bureaucracies, recruit and retain excellent staff, build unexpected alliances, persuade the public of what she’s learned, and turn those learnings into power and policy.
The case for Warren, then, is clear: She is simply the best person for the job.
(An aside: The other candidate with a strong record of using government effectively is one who’s not usually grouped with Warren — Michael Bloomberg.)

On top of these strengths, Warren also avoids some of the glaring weaknesses of the other leading Democrats. She’s a sharper communicator than Joe Biden. She has far more experience than Pete Buttigieg. Unlike Amy Klobuchar, Warren talks like a visionary president rather than a process-focused senator. Unlike Bloomberg, she couldn’t be accused of buying the nomination, and her nomination wouldn’t anger many younger voters.

As for Bernie Sanders, Warren’s policies are more fleshed out than his, and she has not suffered a recent heart attack, as the Times editorial board noted.

Snip...
https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-leonhardt?te=1&nl=david-leonhardt&emc=edit_ty_20200221&campaign_id=39&instance_id=16166&segment_id=21486&user_id=c2e94ebdf7e8c6daa8af7990a68d9f61&regi_id=9083744720200221

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IcyPeas

(21,855 posts)
10. thanks. it's good to hear people's reasons and comparisons
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:29 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RandySF

(58,653 posts)
5. Warren and Biden are the most viable
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
8. God, I hope you're right
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:23 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IcyPeas

(21,855 posts)
11. yes, I think they are the most viable too.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:32 PM
Feb 2020

I hope Buttigieg doesn't go away though, I really like him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
6. Wish I could help
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
Feb 2020

This is the first time California matters, and I had a Hell of a time choosing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IcyPeas

(21,855 posts)
12. I'm in SoCal too.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:33 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
18. I'm Oakland
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:02 AM
Feb 2020

Howdy, neighbor

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
9. I'm undecided, mostly by choice.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:29 PM
Feb 2020

It's easier not getting emotionally involved in one particular candidate, so I'm going to see what the status of the campaign is shortly before my primary and decide then. I really have no idea right now. I know a few it won't be, but I'm fine with many of the majors.

"Also is this going to be decided by delegates? Is that fair? "

If you mean super-delegates, it's possible, and yes, it's fair. That's how it's designed and all of the candidates understood that (some were even involved in the rule-making) going into the campaign. It takes a majority of delegates to win, whether it's during the primary process or at the convention.

"Also I hate the electoral college."

Can't argue with that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
13. How about Biden - he is winning in the swing states by the largest margin. nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:35 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
14. When's your primary?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:36 PM
Feb 2020

If it's after super Tuesday (like mine) you could employ my strategy, which is to vote for whomever among your top choices has the most delegates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IcyPeas

(21,855 posts)
15. March 3rd. around the corner.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:38 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
16. Ah, then you don't have the same luxury I do.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:42 PM
Feb 2020

Mine is after that, so a lot of delegates will have been awarded. I have my favorites, but I'm waiting to see what happens before I make a final decision. Good luck sorting it out!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
17. My strategy too - Primary is June 2nd eom
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
19. My mail in ballot arrived yesterday...
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:06 AM
Feb 2020

I have until Mar 10 to decide. Will probably wait until after Super Tuesday to at least see who is still viable.

My first choice went poof! weeks ago. Not sure I have a second choice yet. Too old, too young, to inexperienced, to divisive, too, too, too...

I'm in a blue state. Maybe I should use the Repub ballot and write in Weld.

Nah, probably won't do that. It would be pointless.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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