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Biden Adds a Claim to His Biography: An Arrest in South Africa
New York TimesLAS VEGAS In at least three campaign appearances over the past two weeks, Joseph R. Biden Jr. has told a similar story as he tries to revive his campaign in states with more diverse voters. On a trip to South Africa years ago, he has said, he was arrested as he sought to visit Nelson Mandela in prison.
This day, 30 years ago, Nelson Mandela walked out of prison and entered into discussions about apartheid, Mr. Biden said at a campaign event in South Carolina last week. I had the great honor of meeting him. I had the great honor of being arrested with our U.N. ambassador on the streets of Soweto trying to get to see him on Robbens Island.
Mr. Biden referred to his own arrest twice more in the next seven days, including at a campaign stop here on Tuesday where he spoke of getting arrested in South Africa between efforts to coax his wife to marry him. That proposal occurred in 1977, both Bidens have said.
But if Mr. Biden, then a United States senator from Delaware, was in fact arrested while trying to visit Mr. Mandela, he did not mention it in his 2007 memoir when writing about a 1970s trip to South Africa, and he has not spoken of it prominently on the 2020 campaign trail. A check of available news accounts by The New York Times turned up no references to an arrest. South African arrest records are not readily available in the United States.
Andrew Young, a former congressman and mayor of Atlanta who was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from 1977 to 1979, said that he had traveled with Mr. Biden over the years, including to South Africa. But Mr. Young said that he had never been arrested in South Africa and expressed skepticism that members of Congress would have faced arrest there.
This day, 30 years ago, Nelson Mandela walked out of prison and entered into discussions about apartheid, Mr. Biden said at a campaign event in South Carolina last week. I had the great honor of meeting him. I had the great honor of being arrested with our U.N. ambassador on the streets of Soweto trying to get to see him on Robbens Island.
Mr. Biden referred to his own arrest twice more in the next seven days, including at a campaign stop here on Tuesday where he spoke of getting arrested in South Africa between efforts to coax his wife to marry him. That proposal occurred in 1977, both Bidens have said.
But if Mr. Biden, then a United States senator from Delaware, was in fact arrested while trying to visit Mr. Mandela, he did not mention it in his 2007 memoir when writing about a 1970s trip to South Africa, and he has not spoken of it prominently on the 2020 campaign trail. A check of available news accounts by The New York Times turned up no references to an arrest. South African arrest records are not readily available in the United States.
Andrew Young, a former congressman and mayor of Atlanta who was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from 1977 to 1979, said that he had traveled with Mr. Biden over the years, including to South Africa. But Mr. Young said that he had never been arrested in South Africa and expressed skepticism that members of Congress would have faced arrest there.
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Biden Adds a Claim to His Biography: An Arrest in South Africa (Original Post)
brooklynite
Feb 2020
OP
"Mr. Biden's campaign did not respond to five efforts to seek comment and clarification."
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2020
#3
I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but imagine Biden sitting on this story for DECADES.
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2020
#4
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)1. A sitting US Senator was arrested in South Africa not once but thrice
and there was ZERO contemporary press coverage? Really?
Wonder what excuse is forthcoming?
"The SA government censored the news!"
"Reagan and Botha got together to cover it up!"
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)2. I was just coming to post this. Because WTFFFFFFFFFFF.
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)3. "Mr. Biden's campaign did not respond to five efforts to seek comment and clarification."
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)4. I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but imagine Biden sitting on this story for DECADES.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)5. At least with his Corn Pop tale there was a real, verifiable person
Albeit in an obituary but still. . . .
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Celerity
(43,337 posts)6. wth, this is bizarre
Why is he doing this?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)7. Seriously WTF?
I can understand if he was a nobody but he was a US Senator. This would have made international news
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BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)8. This is effing weird. Recall that
Hillary was scorched for her combat landing story in Bosnia. How is this different?
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MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)9. More proof Biden is not the "safe" choice
So many things from gaffes, to exaggerations, to voting record to god knows what else.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)10. Imagine if Bernie said this.
This thread would have 200 replies.
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melman
(7,681 posts)11. Not good
Not good at all.
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Nanjeanne
(4,959 posts)12. I just don't understand why he would do this.
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Mosby
(16,306 posts)13. Maybe he was detained, not arrested. Nt
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KayF
(1,345 posts)14. and Mandela thanked him for it
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ex-ambassador-disputes-biden-story-of-getting-arrested-during-south-africa-visit
After he got free and became president, he came to Washington and came to my office, Biden said of Mandela at a brunch in Las Vegas this week. He threw his arms around me and said, I want to say thank you. I said, What are you thanking me for, Mr. President? He said, You tried to see me. You got arrested trying to see me.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)15. Wow, that's a bit bizarre.
Wtf?
Gotta go do yard work, but coming back to research this.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden