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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:20 PM Feb 2020

U.S. OFFICIALS INFORM BERNIE SANDERS, DONALD TRUMP OF RUSSIA ELECTION MEDDLING ON THEIR BEHALF:



REPORT

(snip)

Sanders, however, has previously warned of election interference. In January, he said, "Let me be clear: We must not live in denial while allowing Russia and other state actors to undermine our democracy or divide us. Russia targets the divisions in our society; we will work to heal those divisions."

Friday, the senator called again for an end to Russian meddling, and suggested that some of the bad press his supporters have received may, in fact, be a false flag to stir conflict in the Democratic presidential race.

"I don't care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president," Sanders told The Washington Post. "My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do."

"In 2016, Russia used Internet propaganda to sow division in our country, and my understanding is that they are doing it again in 2020. Some of the ugly stuff on the Internet attributed to our campaign may well not be coming from real supporters," he added.


(snip)


https://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-inform-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-russia-election-meddling-their-behalf-report-1488538

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U.S. OFFICIALS INFORM BERNIE SANDERS, DONALD TRUMP OF RUSSIA ELECTION MEDDLING ON THEIR BEHALF: (Original Post) Uncle Joe Feb 2020 OP
Why would BS think that a phony toxic twitter faction lapucelle Feb 2020 #1
How what? Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #2
How would a phony toxic twitter faction lapucelle Feb 2020 #5
"Helping" was not Bernie's word if anything that damaged him. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #8
It's in the Washington Post's headline. lapucelle Feb 2020 #14
"Helping" was not Bernie's word if anything that damaged him. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #4
Sorry. "trying to help" is in the Wapo headline. lapucelle Feb 2020 #12
That's still not Bernie's word, "help" is in the eye of the beholder, Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #19
I'm not quoting BS. lapucelle Feb 2020 #26
There is no reporting that Russia is interfering in order to damage BS. lapucelle Feb 2020 #37
Do you honestly believe the Russians would be so stupid as not to know their actions Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #38
Officials told BS last month that the the Russians are interfering to help his campaign. lapucelle Feb 2020 #40
We know who the Russians want in the White House.. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #3
Yep. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #9
Putin is an oligarch and I believe he would be most be akin to other oligarchs, that's Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #10
And by fielding weaker opposing candidates in 2020 TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #13
Do you have data to show he is a weaker candidate? Gore1FL Feb 2020 #17
Cue the crickets... chirp! chirp! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #31
Yes, help Bloomberg by damaging his strongest primary opponent. n/t Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #18
Trump would be the biggest benefactor. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #20
Trump would certainly be the biggest benefactor should Bloomberg get the nomination. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #29
Then why was BS briefed that the Russians are meddling on his behalf? lapucelle Feb 2020 #32
BIIIIIINNGGOOOOO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #33
That's why they are helping Bernie to get MF45 re elected kimbutgar Feb 2020 #6
So WHY didn't BS report THIS a month ago when he was told?! democratisphere Feb 2020 #7
Didn't you read the first paragraph in the OP? Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #11
Not the same. General statements are hugely different than a specific incidents democratisphere Feb 2020 #15
I'm confused as to why anyone would think that the toxic twitter faction lapucelle Feb 2020 #16
Because it was a classified briefing? n/t totodeinhere Feb 2020 #22
Is it just a coincidence that this is coming out on the eve of the Nevada caucuses? totodeinhere Feb 2020 #21
Sanders knew and didn't disclose. THAT is totally on BS. democratisphere Feb 2020 #23
Bernie cannot talk specifically about classified intelligence briefings. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #25
He had the information for a month but sat on it. He didn't have to OnDoutside Feb 2020 #28
He has already discussed the matter on several occasions in general terms. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #30
No, he said that the Russians were trying to hurt him, not help him !!! OnDoutside Feb 2020 #34
Where did you read that it was a "classified intelligence briefing"? lapucelle Feb 2020 #35
I agree totodeinhere. Putin is an oligarch, that's a small exclusive global club. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #24
Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #27
EVERYTHING's calculated to hurt Bernie but has the OPPOSITE effect cuz We The People are fair-minded InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #36
Why didn't Sanders denounce outside involvement in US elections when he found out? uponit7771 Feb 2020 #39
 

lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
1. Why would BS think that a phony toxic twitter faction
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:21 PM
Feb 2020

fronted by Russians would be an example of "meddling on his behalf"?

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primary today, I would vote for:
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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
5. How would a phony toxic twitter faction
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:26 PM
Feb 2020

fronted by Russians be an instance of meddling on behalf of the BS campaign? According to WaPo, BS was briefed that the Russians are trying to help him. How would a toxic twitter faction help him?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html


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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
8. "Helping" was not Bernie's word if anything that damaged him.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:27 PM
Feb 2020
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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
14. It's in the Washington Post's headline.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:38 PM
Feb 2020

The Newsweek headline reads:

U.S. Officials Inform Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump of Russia Election Meddling on Their Behalf: Report


behalf

in the interests of a person, group, or principle.
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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
4. "Helping" was not Bernie's word if anything that damaged him.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:25 PM
Feb 2020
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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
12. Sorry. "trying to help" is in the Wapo headline.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:31 PM
Feb 2020

The Newsweek story says "meddling on his behalf".

Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

U.S. officials have told Sen. Bernie Sanders that Russia is attempting to help his presidential campaign as part of an effort to interfere with the Democratic contest, according to people familiar with the matter.

President Trump and lawmakers on Capitol Hill have also been informed about the Russian assistance to the Vermont senator, according to people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.

It is not clear what form that Russian assistance has taken. U.S. prosecutors found a Russian effort in 2016 to use social media to boost Sanders campaign against Hillary Clinton, part of a broader effort to hurt Clinton, sow dissension in the American electorate and ultimately help elect Donald Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
19. That's still not Bernie's word, "help" is in the eye of the beholder,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:55 PM
Feb 2020

if Moscow Mitch were to endorse Biden does anyone believe that would help Joe's chances in the primary?

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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
26. I'm not quoting BS.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:24 PM
Feb 2020

I'm using the words of the sources that reported the story.

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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
37. There is no reporting that Russia is interfering in order to damage BS.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:34 PM
Feb 2020
Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

U.S. Officials Inform Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump of Russia Election Meddling on Their Behalf: Report

https://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-inform-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-russia-election-meddling-their-behalf-report-1488538

Russia Is Said to Be Interfering to Aid Sanders in Democratic Primaries

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

US officials briefed Bernie Sanders on Russia trying to help his campaign

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/nation-world/us-officials-brief-bernie-sanders-russia-interference-2020-election/507-6c7f5fc5-97bb-49f4-9c03-62959d170ab9

Bernie Sanders briefed by US officials that Russia is attempting to help his campaign

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/21/bernie-sanders-told-russia-helping-presidential-campaign-report/4835049002/

Bernie Sanders briefed by US officials that Russia is trying to aid his campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/21/bernie-sanders-russia-aid-campaign
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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
38. Do you honestly believe the Russians would be so stupid as not to know their actions
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:41 PM
Feb 2020

wouldn't be detectable by the U.S.?

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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
40. Officials told BS last month that the the Russians are interfering to help his campaign.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:47 PM
Feb 2020

That's the news story that is being widely reported. Even BS has released a statement on it.

No "alternative story" that the Russians are trying to hurt BS has been reported anywhere.

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TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
3. We know who the Russians want in the White House..
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:23 PM
Feb 2020

...and who will most likely keep him in there.

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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
10. Putin is an oligarch and I believe he would be most be akin to other oligarchs, that's
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:28 PM
Feb 2020

why he likes Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
13. And by fielding weaker opposing candidates in 2020
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:31 PM
Feb 2020

well, you know how that would work for Trump & Putin.

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Undecided
 

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
17. Do you have data to show he is a weaker candidate?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:46 PM
Feb 2020

The claim is thrown around a lot but I've never seen credible evidence.


The Left: Democrats and Republicans are similar.
Democrats: We are not.
Also Democrats: We need to elect moderates and have Republicans in our administrations to attract Republican voters.


Maybe we should try to get the votes of people whose values much more closely align with our own than go after the Susan Collins type voter.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
31. Cue the crickets... chirp! chirp!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:35 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Undecided
 

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
18. Yes, help Bloomberg by damaging his strongest primary opponent. n/t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
20. Trump would be the biggest benefactor.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:58 PM
Feb 2020

Run "Socialist Democrat" up the voter flagpole and see how that plays out. No wonder the right is prodding primary voters to cross over and vote for Sanders.

Those two words are a losing combination in the GE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
29. Trump would certainly be the biggest benefactor should Bloomberg get the nomination.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:27 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie has consistently beaten Trump in the polls for about four years.

Oligarchy is a small exclusive global club and they look out for one another.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
32. Then why was BS briefed that the Russians are meddling on his behalf?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:35 PM
Feb 2020

Surely no one here would claim that the WaPo and Newsweek stories are fake news.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
33. BIIIIIINNGGOOOOO!!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:35 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

kimbutgar

(21,111 posts)
6. That's why they are helping Bernie to get MF45 re elected
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:26 PM
Feb 2020

For too many people Bernie is a communist socialist who will turn us into Russia. Ironically mf45 will get us there before Bernie ever does. Even my elderly liberal mother in law thinks Bernie is too socialist and old.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. So WHY didn't BS report THIS a month ago when he was told?!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:27 PM
Feb 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
11. Didn't you read the first paragraph in the OP?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:29 PM
Feb 2020
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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
15. Not the same. General statements are hugely different than a specific incidents
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:38 PM
Feb 2020

that benefitted BS.

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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
16. I'm confused as to why anyone would think that the toxic twitter faction
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:42 PM
Feb 2020

was instituted by the Russians "on behalf of [the BS] campaign".

That makes no sense.

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totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
22. Because it was a classified briefing? n/t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:04 PM
Feb 2020
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totodeinhere

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21. Is it just a coincidence that this is coming out on the eve of the Nevada caucuses?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:03 PM
Feb 2020

I think not. This was a calculated leak intended to hurt Bernie's campaign. And I don't think it's so much a case of the Russians trying to help Bernie. It's more a case of their trying to wreck any kind of havoc on the whole process. I think the last thing Putin would want is Bernie in the White House.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
23. Sanders knew and didn't disclose. THAT is totally on BS.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:12 PM
Feb 2020

Putin knows BS will provide drumpf with 4 more years.

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totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
25. Bernie cannot talk specifically about classified intelligence briefings.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:19 PM
Feb 2020

He is only talking about it now since it has already come out.

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OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
28. He had the information for a month but sat on it. He didn't have to
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:26 PM
Feb 2020

be specific, but could have got the warning out there and taken action. The clear implication now is that he would never have said anything, but for the DNI going to the House Intel committee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
30. He has already discussed the matter on several occasions in general terms.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:30 PM
Feb 2020

This is much ado about nothing being perpetuated by Bernie's enemies. But I doubt it the Democratic base will fall for it.

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OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
34. No, he said that the Russians were trying to hurt him, not help him !!!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:36 PM
Feb 2020

Please don't go down the fake news nonsense.

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lapucelle

(18,239 posts)
35. Where did you read that it was a "classified intelligence briefing"?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:40 PM
Feb 2020

That's not what BS said.

Sanders told reporters Friday after The Post’s report was published that he received the briefing “about a month ago.” Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, “Because I go to many intelligence briefings which I don’t reveal to the public.”
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Uncle Joe

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24. I agree totodeinhere. Putin is an oligarch, that's a small exclusive global club.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:14 PM
Feb 2020

It's not surprising to me that Bezo's paper would break the news the day before Nevada caucuses.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. Agreed.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:25 PM
Feb 2020

This is no coincidence.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
36. EVERYTHING's calculated to hurt Bernie but has the OPPOSITE effect cuz We The People are fair-minded
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:40 PM
Feb 2020

I call it the Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash... works like a charm EVERYTIME!! So I hope they keep it up!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
39. Why didn't Sanders denounce outside involvement in US elections when he found out?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:43 PM
Feb 2020
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