Warren: "I am a capitalist. I believe in markets.

[denem]

I believe in markets with regulation."

Warren is saying this more often now, most recently on the View. That won't stop the GOP calling her a socialist, although Bernie himself has helped her out here.

Sanders says rival Warren is ‘capitalist through her bones’
https://apnews.com/fdd1505dae364a329dd7bc7da9bc854b

One thing the GOP is unlikely to say is that Warren is a communist, the GOP line of attack on Sanders, which they flagged again today. Gowdy: "Nobody really thinks Russia prefers Trump over 'comrade' Bernie Sanders"

[Kurt V.]

1. this is THE message. we had better come around to our best candidate.

[ancianita]

18. THE message. And Yes, She Can pass her agenda. Yes, We Can vote in a Democratic majority Senate.

[Hoyt]

2. Beyond that easy to make statement, Warren's agenda is pretty much same as Sanders.

Well, maybe she has a few more promises/plans that can't be fulfilled and she says she won't middle-class. At least Sanders acknowledges middle-class taxes will go up.

[denem]

4. She ain't a communist Hoyt.

Sanders would spend his campaign explaining his past. Warren will talk about the future.

[Hoyt]

5. With promises and plans she can't deliver. I'm sorry, I believe she is as unelectable as Sanders.

Hence, they are quite similar to me.

[denem]

6. I know you believe 'she is as unelectable as Sanders'

but as you freely admit, you also have an unshakeable grudge against her for torpedoing the TPP.

[Hoyt]

7. Admit, but it was torpedoing TPP, criticizing Obama/Clinton right up to Nov 2016, costing Clinton

votes, her Economic Patriotism treats poor foreign workers as scabs and too many are fine with that, and more.

[denem]

8. I respect you point of view.

I disagree, but respect your abhorrence of Nationalism, which I share,

Read through Warren's statement on 'Economic Patriotism'. It is about investment at home, enforcement of WTO rules, and public scrutiny of trade deals, as opposed to the Top Secret classification of the TPP, that the Obama Administration imposed, even against Secretary Clinton during the primaries.

She was reduced to saying, as late as October 2015, "I am not in favor of what I have learned about it" rather than being able to debate its provisions.

[Hoyt]

9. Warren called it "top secret," while it was available online. She distorted facts at critical time.

She cost Clinton votes.

[denem]

12. Not so.

As October 2015, Secretary Clinton still could not view it. Senators could only see it in a SCIF without taking notes. The reason given? The text was still subject to negotiation.

[Hoyt]

13. Warren was criticizing TPP, Obama/Clinton leading up to 2016 election, not just 2015.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/elizabeth-warren-trade-tpp-225214




"With polls and early voting data signaling that Mrs. Clinton is likely to prevail against Mr. Trump in two weeks, liberal Democrats are already looking past Election Day — and relying on Ms. Warren to become the thorn in chief in Mrs. Clinton’s side, scrutinizing her appointments and agenda."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/politics/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren.html


More articles when I'm off phone.

[denem]

15. A lot of mistakes were made in the later stages of HRC's campaign.

Warren had a share in that, but not a significant one, IMO. trump was campaigning against 'horrible, unfair trade deals' which had shuttered factories across the midwest. Warren may have contributed to a receptive environment for his shit, but he had been talking about Japan "killing us" for decades. Come 2015 he made the switch to China "raping us", but the message was the same. Isolationism, Xenophobia, 'America First'.

'Economic Patriotism' is a pale shadow of what trump stands for. More of a slogan, than a Nationalist platform.

[Hoyt]

16. Warren might not be as vicious, but treating poor foreign workers like scabs ain't right. I'll

still vote for her and stop my criticism should she become nominee.

Beating trump is what matters.

[denem]

21. 'treating poor foreign workers like scabs' is sickening.

If the Democratic Party talks about internationalism, but demonizes the poor, they are betraying FDR as much as the reckless deregulation of the banks, which brought misery, despair, nationalism, and yes, death, across America, the EU and much of the world.

The Spirit of man has awakened
The Soul of man has gone forth

Grant us the wisdom and the vision
to comprehend the greatness of man's Spirit
that suffers and endures so hugely for a goal
beyond his own brief span

We are all of us children of Earth
Grant us that simple knowledge
If our brothers are oppressed,
then we are oppressed
If they hunger, we hunger
If their freedom is taken away,
our freedom is not secure

Grant us a common faith,
that man shall know bread and peace
That he shall know justice and righteousness,
Freedom and security, an equal opportunity,
and an equal chance to do his best,
not only in our own lands, but throughout the world.

And in that faith, let us march,
march toward the clean world our hands can make.
Amen

[Hoyt]

24. +1. Take care.

[Blue_true]

17. Not really. If you look at her history, she has always favored regulated capitalism.

She used to lean toward large companies, but after an awakening in the 90s, she leans a bit more toward consumers and small businesses.

[ancianita]

19. A bit? She created a federal agency, top to bottom: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

[Blue_true]

22. Yes. You are right. She is solidly on the side of everyday Americans who

can't pay to have lobbyists in Washington representing them.

[ancianita]

23. Which proves she more "pro-Labor to her bones" than capitalist. Representing the people as THE

regulation of capitalists is a fundamental check on corporate power because a good people's rep knows that The People's business should be prior to capital. Not any ideology like socialism.

[TwilightZone]

3. "capitalist through her bones"

I'm not sure why Sanders (apparently) thinks this is a problem.

Every candidate in the race, including Sanders, supports regulated capitalism.

[PETRUS]

10. I can't speak for Sanders...

...but I can tell you why I think capitalism is a problem, and also why I'm willing to support measures that stop well short of abolishing the system.

[TwilightZone]

11. Hence, the word "regulated"

No one is in favor of unfettered capitalism.

[PETRUS]

14. Yes, I think you are right about that.

But even "regulated" capitalism is a problem. For one thing, we're overshooting multiple ecological boundaries.

[Laelth]

20. Good for Elizabeth.

Even Bernie is a capitalist, and he has said so. Nobody here wants state ownership of all property and the means of production (i.e. socialism). At worst, Bernie and Elizabeth are both liberals in the FDR/LBJ mode. I am fine with that. They are both liberals, and so am I.

-Laelth