Why did BS post such a divisive tweet

[lapucelle]

on the same day that he claimed the Russians were working to divide us rather that to help him?

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Bernie Sanders is told by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his campaign

Bernie Sanders warned Russia on Friday to “stay out of U.S. elections” as he confirmed that American intelligence officials had briefed him on Russian efforts to help his presidential campaign.

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It isn’t clear how the Russians may be trying to intervene in the current presidential campaign, but at a Democratic debate in Las Vegas on Wednesday, Sanders hinted that abusive behavior attributed to some of his followers may have been the work of foreign elements trying to sow division.

“All of us remember 2016, and what we remember is efforts by Russians and others to try to interfere in our elections and divide us up,” Sanders said. “I’m not saying that’s happening, but it would not shock me.”

Investigations after the 2016 election found that Russia had tried to intervene in support of Trump through social media campaigns and other actions. Prosecutors also said some of the actions were designed to “support Bernie Sanders” against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-02-21/2020-bernie-sanders-russia-meddling

[Kurt V.]

1. not a good move.

[lapucelle]

2. It's bewildering.

And the tweet was posted AFTER the story broke.

[DemocracyMouse]

61. I think it's refreshing! :-)

There ARE established people in every old bureaucracy taking paychecks and maintaining their social network to ensure the checks keep coming. Ask any anthropologist.

That's a given. And it's refreshing to see someone on OUR side calling it like it is. Trump has been winning lots of hearts for simply sounding like he's being straighforward. But Trump lies constantly. He's a self-serving demogogue. He attacks the "elites" and the "swamp" and simply because he's associated with the Republicans he gets raves from all those Americans who see their miserable lives are indeed worse than the establishment people. And, yes, Trump also attacks people of color, refugees and women for the same self-serving effect.

Bernie DOESN'T attack non-whites, he ISN'T a Republican oligarch working for the Russians (and, no, those pro-Bernie memes from Russia were created by Putin, not Bernie to create a disturbance), and says what all the pundits have been too chicken shit to say all these years. As a result he's getting a lot of nods from the people who vote Democrat but who are NOT impressed by the slide to Right since Reagan. Finally Bernie (and Elizabeth) are questioning this rightward tilt. They are onto LOUDLY (finally!) how the corporations, esp. after Citizens United, have taken our democracy out from underneath us.

Keep it up Senator Sanders!

[Me.]

78. He Is THe Establishment & A Member Of the 1%

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so who is he to point a finger at everyone else? Nice big fat salary, excellent healthcare, 3+ million to run his office, a driver, nice pension waiting for him, houses and millions in the bank.

[Me.]

119. Sometimes They Do

and sometimes the critiques are not valid. He's biting the hand that feeds him while taking everything he can get. It bothers me how he hooks onto the Dem party for the benefits he can get and then turns around and disparages the party and constantly complains about it. Honestly, it makes me question his character.

[ehrnst]

140. I'd like a world with no mosquitoes, too. (nt)

[Me.]

142. THe Health Issue Is A Huge One

however, I don't see M4A getting passed for a long time. What could be done immediately is reeling in big pharma and doing something about for profit hospitals. What I don't think some people understand, especially younger ones, is you still pay a monthly premium though not nearly as high and you may need supplemental health insurance.

[HarlanPepper]

146. You're not going to get it unless he wins and gets a super majority in the senate

I wouldn’t throw away the pill cutter just yet.

[HarlanPepper]

149. Yeah, it's not going to happen though

There’s the rub.

[Blues Heron]

152. That's cold man

that's just ice cold

"Don't throw away the pill cutter" wow - a new low.

[HarlanPepper]

153. Were the senate rules changed?

[Cha]

195. Reality Bites.

[ehrnst]

141. Same with Bernie's policies.

However, one needs to be more careful than when one critiques anyone or anything else.

[DemocracyMouse]

144. resentment because he successfully sold a book Americans wanted to read?

[Me.]

147. NonSense

I don't like hypocrisy and people who use others then stomp all over them.

As for the book, I don't know how many wanted to read the last one, they were practically giving them away free. At a town hall in NYC, $10. would gain you entrance and a book.

Edited to add...if it's ok for him to be successful, why is it ok for him to excoriate others who are also successful?

[redstateblues]

164. His campaign bought them didn't it?

[ehrnst]

189. He said in the 70s that it was immoral for a millionaire to serve in the Senate

So there's that.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/politics/bernie-millionaire-senators-immoral/index.html

[Squinch]

191. Inflation, maybe?

[ehrnst]

192. I'm sure it's something like that. Since 2017, Billionaire is the new Millionaire

Where Bernie is concerned. You will not find record of him mentioning "millionaires" whatsoever since he finally released his financial records.

[Happy Hoosier]

89. How does this help the Democratic party?

It doesn’t. And anyone who understands this country’s political process understands we need massive blue wave this year. Shit like this from Sanders does not help.

[Lonestarblue]

100. Agree a hundred percent.

We need every possible vote we can get this November, and alienating establishment Democrats by claiming that they can’t stop him is so unnecessary. I read the comments in NYT and WaPo and I think they are about two to one anti-Sanders versus pro Sanders. I will definitely vote for Sanders if he is the nominee, but I hope he stops with tweets like this.

[c-rational]

104. I find nothing refreshing about that tweet. IMO it speaks more about the person tweeting and

their view about themselves (read ego) than to the public to whom it is addressed. It is not an uplifting message.

[lapucelle]

117. There's nothing "refreshing" about stoking a divisive talking point,

especially not when the stoker has been part of the Washington establishment for a quarter of a century.

Ask any anthropologist.

[Dennis Donovan]

3. He named the "establishment" of both parties.

Divisive? Um, no.

[Cha]

5. Uh. Divisive..? Yes!

[Dennis Donovan]

9. Only if you're wanting to see divisiveness is it there.

[Cha]

10. Many people see it that way because it is..

Link to tweet

[Dennis Donovan]

13. He's a British citizen. While it's his right to opine on twitter like anyone else

...not sure why, of all tweets out there, you chose that one?

[Cha]

26. Deny it all you want.. it doesn't change the fact that

BS' tweet is insulting and divisive.

[Dennis Donovan]

29. Sam Seder says you and the premise of the OP are wrong:

Link to tweet

Sam Seder ✔@SamSeder

This is beyond silly. Aside from the fact that he “railed” on a cohort of the party as opposed to “the party”.....For the same reason a candidate would rail on “Washington”, the city where they would live and sign bills if they became President.

Seth Cotlar @SethCotlar

Why would you rail against the party whose nomination you're trying to win? How does this help us build a coalition necessary to actually pass the policy agenda on which you're running?

9:37 AM - Feb 22, 2020

That's it for me - this OP is toxic as hell...

[Cha]

35. BS needs to start taking responsibility

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[LakeArenal]

108. I guess Biden's words are the only one that folks parse EVERY word

And find any negatives to post.

I’m the Establishment Democrat.

I vote Dem every time. All my life.
I am a dependable volunteer and donator.
I don’t want anyone “taking on” the Established Democrats. Pukes and Russia have been taking on the Establishment Democrats long enough. I don’t need my own candidates declaring war on my party.

Pura Vida, Amiga.

[Cha]

116. It's a glaring insult.. I've read

so many people saying if they heard the word "establishment" one more time they would scream!

We'll there it was!

Aloha and Pura Vida, Amiga ~

[Me.]

80. Truth Matters

so thank you for this post. I think he has a nerve for challenging DEms as the enemy says to me he should run as an independent and not use our party.

[Chicago1980]

64. It was divisive.....

He's going to need one of those establishments to help him get anything done if he happens to win.

Probably shouldn't burn bridges.

[Cha]

84. I know.. I never did get the "burning bridges"

part. Excellent point, Chicago

[ismnotwasm]

111. Really.

So, you are saying the Democratic National Commitee takes bribes that influences decisions?

[BumRushDaShow]

135. You know the NY Post is a Murdoch rag right?

[lapucelle]

138. Like the multiple six figure donations to Our Revolution

from undisclosed donors?

[ehrnst]

139. You mean like the $300,000 donations to Our Revolution from undisclosed donors?

https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/

[lapucelle]

7. Yes it is.

Link to tweet

[Dennis Donovan]

8. No wonder he hates Sanders - read his bio:

Steven Strauss
Immediately prior to Harvard, Steven Strauss was a Managing Director at the New York City Economic Development Corporation (NYCEDC) where he spearheaded the creation of the Center for Economic Transformation at NYCEDC and a number of its high impact initiatives including: Applied Sciences NYC (Mayor Bloomberg’s project to build a new engineering campus in NYC), the 160 Varick Street Incubator (in partnership with Trinity Realty and NYU-Poly), the NYC NextIdea Business Plan Competition, NYC BigApps, Hive@55, NYC Media Lab, and the NYC Entrepreneurial Fund. Steven was one of the authors of the NYCEDC Innovation Index announced by Mayor Bloomberg in April 2011. Steven was elected as a member of the Silicon Alley 100 in 2010-2011.

Prior to joining NYCEDC, Steven was a Director and Senior Advisor at the World Economic Forum in the Financial Institutions group and managed the Forum’s relationships with a portfolio of financial service CEOs. Steven was responsible for the Forum’s inaugural Financial Development Index, a comprehensive look at global financial systems, and co-authored the Forum’s report on the Convergence of Insurance with Capital Markets.

Before that, Steven spent five years with the London office of McKinsey & Company serving clients in the Private and Public Sector, including the Economic Development Board of a Middle Eastern country, the Bank Insurance Fund of a major OECD country, the National Health Service and the primary health care regulator of a major European country, and a major Sovereign Wealth Fund. He also worked in the Private Sector on a variety of strategy and risk management issues. Steven’s prior work experience includes sales and trading at a number of financial service firms as well.

Steven holds a B.A. from New York University and a Ph.D. in Management from Yale University.

[Squinch]

16. Apparently you think there is some sin in there. I can't find it.

[Dennis Donovan]

17. I doubt this guy's first priority is economic injustice

[Squinch]

18. Forgive me if your doubt does not compel me. Do you have any evidence for that?

[Dennis Donovan]

21. Any evidence proving me wrong?

I don't google for others.

Oh, and I'm out of this thread.

Total nonsense.

On edit (before I trash this divisive OP):

Link to tweet

Sam Seder ✔@SamSeder

This is beyond silly. Aside from the fact that he “railed” on a cohort of the party as opposed to “the party”.....For the same reason a candidate would rail on “Washington”, the city where they would live and sign bills if they became President.

Seth Cotlar @SethCotlar

Why would you rail against the party whose nomination you're trying to win? How does this help us build a coalition necessary to actually pass the policy agenda on which you're running?

9:37 AM - Feb 22, 2020

[Squinch]

23. You're the one who made the assertion. On the basis of nothing. Just thought I'd ask where it came

from.

Apparently it came from your imagination.

[Dennis Donovan]

24. It's in his bio - show me one thing in it that shows any concern for economic injustice

...because it's simply not there.

Anyhow...

[Squinch]

28. Show me one thing that shows a lack of concern for economic injustice. That's not there either.

So there's still no indication of where your strange assumption came from.

Bye again! Until your next answer.

[lapucelle]

30. Argumentum ad Ignorantiam...

an especially embarrassing flaw in reasoning.

[Cha]

37. lol.. what the actual hell?!!

SMH!

[lapucelle]

19. Just because he told the truth about the bogus and divisive BS "Democratic establishment"

story line, doesn't mean he "hates" BS.

Look who BS hired as his press secretary and "health care surrogate". Why did BS hire people who hate the Democratic Party and who shilled RW talking points during the 2016 GE, helping Trump to get elected?



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indeed.

[dustyscamp]

22. These people talk like Maga Chuds

[Cha]

33. Not sure why you're trying to distract with the word "hate"

when the message is dead on.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

27. Thank you for that, lapucelle..

[True Blue American]

60. Very telling

Who the staff is. Huh?

[Cha]

65. Oh yeah.. this was predicted.

[Squinch]

15. He's been naming the "establishment" of both parties for 5 years. The "establishment" of my party

just impeached Donald Trump. The "establishment" of my party includes Nancy Pelosi, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Lewis, Joe Biden, Adam Schiff, Stacy Abrams, Chuck Schumer, Eliot Engel.

They represent ME. I AM the "establishment" of the party. The idea that I should somehow find it acceptable when he calls these people his enemies is disgusting.

Divisive? Couldn't be more so.

[mcar]

46. +1000!

[Cha]

52. Well said, Squinch! It's unreal that anyone doesn't get that.

[Squinch]

55. I'm spitting nails angry and also terrified right now, Cha.

[Cha]

62. I'm just really pissed right now..

hoping this fresh hell doesn't become a reality.

[Cha]

94. Aloha Squinch..

I posted your post and tagged you here..

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=558940

I hope you don't mind.. if you do.. I'll edit it.. I just liked it so much and it fit so well in that thread.

[Squinch]

98. Not at all! I'm honored!

[Cha]

101. Good!

[brutus smith]

56. Your post couldn't be any more divisive.

[Squinch]

63. Right. Because I'm saying I support Democrats. That's the BS definition of divisive.

[mr_lebowski]

86. Oh please ...

[Cha]

90. Your post couldn't be more wrong.

[True Blue American]

66. I may be in trouble with this post

But I blame those who allowed an Independent to run twice as a Democrat.

Pelosi, Schiff and those in Congress are fighting the good fight for us.

[Squinch]

72. I'm sure the reasoning was that they preferred him in the tent rather than running a spoiler

Nader-like third party. Which he would certainly not hesitate to do. It would be futile, it would never win, it would ruin the Democratic candidate's chances and help hand our Democracy to Russia, but he would not hesitate to do it.

[Walleye]

81. Seems perfectly clear, and obvious, to me. Depressing

[mr_lebowski]

87. I'm not sure that's a fair accusation ...

AFAIK he's never even threatened to do that, and even if he had there's no evidence he'd have gone through with it.

Look I get being dismayed at this tweet, I really do. And I understand being very afraid we're going to lose with Bernie as our nominee, and posting about that. I've done that same, many times.

But this is a rough accusation against the man personally and his integrity ... I have to call you on it. You do not know 'he would not hesitate to do that'.

[Squinch]

92. I hear what you are saying, but I do stand by it. He has gamed the system for decades, shutting

out Democrats from the Senate seat and using the Democratic party for his presidential runs.

Yet, he is open about the fact that he thinks the Democratic party is his enemy. I just really don't put it past him.

And what other possible reason could the Democratic party have had to let him in again, after all the nonsense in 2016, if a third party run was not on the table?

[mr_lebowski]

93. "Not Put It Past Him" ... now that's a very fair way of putting it ;) nt

[cwydro]

71. Thank you.

Wish I could rec your post.

[dawg day]

25. He's likening the Democratic Party with the GOP

And himself against them both. It's not just divisive, it's weirdly stupid. Who does he think is going to do all the groundwork if he's nominated?
The last thing this country needs is another 4 years of nasty president tweets.

[Maraya1969]

31. WHY is he allowed to run on the Democratic ticket if he is not a Democrat?

Why doesn't he run on the Republican ticket?

Or on his own ticket?

[grantcart]

43. Obama is the establishment of the Democratic Party

Only real question is why Bernie Devotees won't accept Sanders bitter hatred of Democrats.

[TryLogic]

110. Not sure what you are saying.

[Cha]

196. It's been awfully obvious for

a long time now.

[Butterflylady]

45. But he didn't name the real culprit, Russia

Russia will stop him.

[George II]

70. Yes it is. Calling out some mythical "group" of Democrats is divisive.

[SWBTATTReg]

96. As a US Senator, he's not one of the establishment? I'd say he needs to look more closely. ...

As one of the top 100 political people in this Country, BS is one of the 'establishment' people. Can't run from it, can't wish it away, that's the fact.

[True Blue American]

120. How True!

[SWBTATTReg]

185. Bribes are a problem everywhere they occur. I am not really sure where you are coming up...

w/ this, not that I don't believe you, it's that perhaps I missed some news going on about bribery somewhere?

[Cha]

4. So who's the "divider"?

Link to tweet

Excellent question.. Mahalo, lapucelle

[NYMinute]

6. He wins by divide and conquer

He attacks the front runner with doctored videos or factually inaccurate statements and his minions, bros, free tuition/debt forgiveness millennials and Russian bots magnify that message.

He keeps repeating until every front runner is knocked down, no matter how qualified.

It was a terrible mistake to let him run as a Democrat. He won't have the same traction and resources running third party.

[True Blue American]

121. I keep thinking what my Son says

FREE! Some one has to pay for that FREE!

[Squinch]

11. He has begun to believe his own spin. Against all evidence, he seems to believe he has

a real revolution, hordes of followers who consider him their leader and who will swarm the voting booths to forge a new path to Bernieland.

There is nothing whatsoever to support his constant assertions of his own revolutionary influence, nor to support his constant contention that he controls a large bloc of voters. At some point he had to know that. It seems he no longer does.

And that's frightening.

[brutus smith]

58. We'll let the voters decide.

[Squinch]

73. Or, in this case, the voters plus Russia.

[quickesst]

12. Carving out his base...

.....much like drump did with the republican party. He tried to do the same thing in 2016, creating chaos and anarchy, but did not realize just how formidable an opponent he faced in Hillary Clinton. It was obvious then by his anger and less than lukewarm support for Hillary, and proving in 2020 by his tweet that this man has no loyalty to the Democratic party, and is using the label for his own narcissistic purposes. It was sad in 2016, and it's even sadder in 2020 that so many people are buying in to his bullshit.

[ismnotwasm]

178. Are you a Democrat?

[Renew Deal]

14. We're not allowed to talk honestly about what he is to the Democratic Party

Or the US.

[apcalc]

34. That is correct, we are not. As if he is a Democrat or something....

[nolabear]

20. How can any down ticket Democrat trust him to support them?

They are establishment, typically. They will become establishment. Does he care about anything other than his own campaign? What then?

[lunasun]

32. Maybe he reads Du . I have read he must be stopped . Obama must step in right now . He can not

be the nominee. Sanders must step down now! He will destroy the Dem party for a generation He is not a dem doesn’t deserve , Carville comments etc. right here on du . Seems like many Dems very much do want to stop him and I’m not even a full on supporter of his but I have eyes .
Plenty in the media both sides R&D

The primaries should play out as intended and we have already had one disruptor imo Bloomberg who has hurt other candidates but was praised by many Dems , yet now one of the the front runners who is gathering momentum with actual votes is being rejected by a bigger sector

Sanders could lose in plenty of future states but somehow the urgency to remove seems to be now
..( The push by some Dems for Biden to step aside already this early was another WTH for me and I think hurt him, but that’s another post)

Yes I see why he feels that many Dems are focusing on him and do seem to want him stopped and ASAP , so that is why he posted now

[Beringia]

36. Because he knows the establishment Dems do want him out

The people want him.

Your own post is divisive. Look in the mirror.

[lapucelle]

40. There is nothing divisive about the question I asked, nor indeed about asking questions

in general of or concerning our candidates.

We've had a president for almost four years who feels he is above answering questions, and his rabid base and crooked cronies in the government assert that "his authority will not be questioned".

That's not the Democratic Party way.

When I look in the mirror, I see a Democrat.

[ramen]

54. I'm not seeing anyone assert his authority as unquestionable, and the Trump comparison is a bridge

too far. Although this tweet of Sanders' is unhelpful at best, and I wish he hadn't sent it: I think that he is simply saying that the powers that be of BOTH parties (redundantly re-emphasizing BOTH, as this is not divisive if it applies to all sides involved) can't subvert the will of the people.

But candidly, his 'establishment' line doesn't resonate with me at all. He's been there too long to not be considered part of that establishment, and other posters have noted Democratic leaders who are unquestionably part of the establishment and also great leaders.

[zentrum]

38. 'Cause BS stands for Brave Stuff.

[Beakybird]

39. If someone on DU made Bernie's statement, I would complain to the admins.

Don't attack Democrats. Don't equate the baby jailers with Emily's list.

[bronxiteforever]

50. +1 well said.

[Wounded Bear]

41. Because he's Bernie...

[barbtries]

42. maybe he's more like trump than we thought

and posted in a fit of rage. i don't know, but I and many others responded negatively to that. it's so divisive, nasty and unhelpful.

[TryLogic]

118. Yesterday I heard a reporter who said she had spoken with a voter who likes Sanders and Trump.

Why???

In addition to ignorance about who and what Trump is...

I suggest it is because they both share opinions in a fairly raw and direct manner rather than smooth sounding political boiler plate speech. I think people get really tired of the political boiler plate, carefully crafted comments that are so common in the world of politics.

[barbtries]

125. like applauding the disappearance of civility.

i don't say that about Sanders, but Trump? he's a nasty, vindictive, sadistic asshole. there's nothing to like about that imo

[mcar]

44. He's trying to have it both ways

Total fail.

[yaesu]

47. Senator Sanders has become the target of tRump, putin because he is a true leader that could beat

the brown soiled pants off tRump. Now, it would seem that the cyber warfare against this distinguished leader is working, for now, according to all the threads on DU bashing Bernie but what all those threads are doing is helping putin, helping tRump & dividing the party.

[emmaverybo]

159. He leads a movement that believes in him. Does that mean he can lead America? Will Americans

in swing states become Bernie devotees? Will they endorse his economic revolution?

[Sunsky]

48. It's BS and this is what he does

He's such a divisive figure. I can see why he's the Republican's favorite. Does he realize that he will need ALL Democrats to vote for him if he's the nominee? We need unity in our party, not this.

[ehrnst]

124. Who is "they?"

[grantcart]

51. The only surprise in this is the degree of slavish apologia by the devotees to deny the obvious

He hates the Democratic Party

For Bernie it's always about Bernie

If he gets the nomination he will not be able to unite the party

He will give Trump a landslide victory.

He should have added The Russian Establishment couldn't be happier.

[TryLogic]

122. I seriously doubt that Bernie hates the Democratic Party.

He is not my favorite candidate this time around, but I wish people would not get carried away with their complaints. Keep in mind that most people want Trump outta there.

PS I have to agree that Bernie's ego seems to be almost our of control.

[brutus smith]

130. If he hated the Dem party, he wouldn't vote with them most of the time.

[emmaverybo]

161. He supports their policies and issues more than he supports Republican positions.That does not

mean he is not divisive. The problem is in his thinking that Dems are out to get him. It’s a mindset
some of us find problematic in a party candidate. Of course he lashes out at his perceived enemies.

I prefer less drama.

[Squinch]

68. Sanders just called his own purported party his enemy. That's not a great campaign move.

[aikoaiko]

57. I can't really say that the Democratic establishment wants to see Bernie win...

...so what's the problem with the tweet?

[jmg257]

69. I think you sort of nailed it...at least it seems to be "common knowlege"

The Democratic establishment is out of time

the Democratic primary electorate is divided into only two parts. Bernie Sanders's victory in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary reminded observers of what we have known for a long time, namely that the smaller of these two parts remains united in favor of his candidacy for the Democratic presidential nomination. The larger moderate one remains split, not quite evenly, between Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden.

We know which side the Democratic National Committee, the party's leadership in Congress, wealthy mega-donors, and luminaries like the Obamas and the Clintons are on. We also know that they are willing to do pretty much anything to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination in 2020. The question is whether they will be able to.

https://theweek.com/articles/895380/democratic-establishment-time

[dalton99a]

59. Because it's the only thing he has done in his working career: Attack the Democratic Party.

[ecstatic]

74. Maybe a hacker commandeered his Twitter account

The "us" could be referring to Russia/putin or some other nefarious group of plotters.

[cstanleytech]

77. His campaign would have immediately issued a presser if that was the case so since they have not

the odds are it was a tweet by Bernie.

[TygrBright]

75. Red meat to the base.

Like [Redacted], Bernie has a noisy, highly motivated cadre of groupthinkers within his supporters. And they form a large enough and/or noisy enough segment of his overall support that without them, his candidacy would not be viable.

But the noisier they are, the more like-minded groupthinkers they attract, and the happier with their anointed leader they are, the more vigorously they defend him, attack non-believers, and attract attention to him and his utterances.

Bernie knows perfectly well that a) they are but a segment of his support, and their ginned-up, groupthinky irrationality can do him some harm with uncommitted voters; but also b) the noisier and more aggressive they are, the more successful his campaign LOOKS, and the more momentum builds.

He seems to be making the "b" choice pretty regularly, because, apparently, the end justifies the means.

apprehensively,
Bright

[Me.]

76. Because The Real BS Is Finally Standing Up?

[Shoonra]

79. Why would the Russians help Sanders??

Since it is known that Trump is Putin's choice, why is Russia also helping Sanders?

Are the Russians hedging their bets? Hoping to suck up to whoever is the eventual winner?

I think that the Russians calculate that Sanders is beatable - more beatable than another Dem candidate - and they want him to be the Dem nominee because he's be easier for Trump to beat than another candidate (who, I don't know).

[Sloumeau]

82. K&R

[bucolic_frolic]

85. Dictators flock together to end democracy

Sanders is their pawn, willing or unwittingly, doesn't much matter.

They trashed a good candidate in 2016. This time they're picking their own opponent.

Power and money, fascism vs democracy.

If we don't get this right, democracy will go underground worldwide for 150 years.

[corbettkroehler]

95. Because The Deliberate Opacity Is More Divisive

Let's differ on the issues. If you think The Green New Deal is the wrong approach to the climate crisis, fine. Whatever your differences with Sanders may be, you must agree that the country and world need rapid and accurate results from primaries and caucuses which are beyond reproach.

And yet...

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

97. I have no idea why he thought this was a good idea.

Then again, he endorsed Cenk, against the counsel of those on his team in California...

[Squinch]

99. Not for nothing, but check out all the new posters, or newly awakened sleeping beauty posters, in

this thread.

[dalton99a]

102. +1

[MH1]

107. +1

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

103. I dunno why did you post such a divisive post? "Stay out of our elections" is entirely

appropriate response, no? What am I missing?

[Squinch]

115. You are missing the tweet in question. In the OP it is right above that quote.

"I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us."

[yardwork]

105. Good question.

[nycbos]

106. Because he only cares about his "base"

Just like Trump

[TryLogic]

123. "for what the DNC did to Bernie... in 2016." I blame Wasserman-Schultz who was chair of the DNC.

I even blame Obama for nominating her although I suspect it was Hillary who pushed for her.

Sorry, that should be let go. Bernie needs to contain his ego and his anger.

[CaptainTruth]

112. Bernie's been in Congress 30 years. He's running as a Democrat.

If he wins he will *BE* the "Democratic establishment."

FFS

[Hav]

114. In another thread,

a DUer made the fitting comparison to Trump's deep state conspiracy bs that his cult supporters lap up.
So whenever he's faced with something inconvenient, BS reverts to pointing fingers at the "establishment" to give his supporters something to hate. We already see this disdain against Democrats here on DU, it's his theme and his supporters do whatever he wants.
In short, it's a method to distract from something else.

[Blue_Tires]

126. because he's a chaos agent?

[Codeine]

145. That's as concise and accurate

a description of Bernie and his role that I’ve yet seen.

[LakeArenal]

127. Divisive is as divisive does.

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[NurseJackie]

133. I think you misspelled "divisive"...

[Dawson Leery]

128. Cause he's not a Democrat.

[gulliver]

132. It's to distract from the fact he failed to timely disclose what he knew about Russian influence.

Sanders is pulling a page from the Trump notebook. When something happens that makes you look really, really bad, just do something to set off the Twitter noise machine.

[Happy Hoosier]

134. Because that is who he is.

He doesn’t care for our party and never has.

[brutus smith]

137. Which one of these Democratic platform things that Bernie doesn't advocate for?

Where we stand
Democrats believe health care is a right, diversity is a strength, the economy should work for everyone, and facts and truth matter.

[cstanleytech]

154. His platform is not what is under discussion though. nt

[brutus smith]

163. It's not?

[cstanleytech]

182. Nope, its his statement that included an attack on the leadership for the Democratic party

that is the topic under discussion.
That was an ill advised slight he made and its not one I think he will have an easy to correct and it will have alienated atleast some people that might have been leaning his way and it could cost him the nomination.

[we can do it]

143. Because he is divisive?

[stopdiggin]

158. in terms of current issues (and tenor) .. this is hardly a biggie

in fact .. this is really kind of small potatoes. Next please!

[JudyM]

165. Because there is likely more happening behind the scenes than we know... why did Hillary

put out that highly personal, intentionally hurtful insult? I don’t think we’re seeing everything that’s happening is my opinion.

[krissey]

166. About Sanders not getting along in congress? HRC wanted people to know he does not work well with

others, like Sanders himself states about himself.

[brutus smith]

186. It was totally unnecessary. Talk about being divisive.

[krissey]

187. No. It is a character of Sanders that suggest he lack the ability to work with others to get these

impossible ideas passed. I think that is very relevant when making a vote.

[brutus smith]

188. So you're saying Dems in the House and Senate won't vote for what the people want?

[evertonfc]

179. He's a divisive guy

[Squinch]

190. Wow! Ask a simple question and the thread turns into a blood bath! You

really brought them out of the woodwork, lapucelle!

[lapucelle]

194. And it's a fair question.

Was there a need to post that particular tweet on the same day that we found out about Russia's latest machinations?

It could have been a true "not me, us" moment. but instead it almost sounded like "me/us against them", with Democrats lumped in with Republicans as "them".

[Squinch]

197. That was just crazy. Really. Narcissist stuff.

[OliverQ]

193. My guess is because both sides of the spectrum view the establishment as working against

them. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant, but they see career politicians who constantly vote based on their wallet and what their donors want, more than the people as a problem for both sides and criticism of those establishment politicians resonate with a lot of voters. I'd prefer Bernie not use those tactics, but they seem to work for him since he's based his 40 year message on fighting against those types of people.

The establishment Dems have also attacked Bernie pretty consistently, so I can understand his frustration. They are actively trying to stop him from winning the nomination, even if it's what the people want. That's not healthy for Democracy.

[Squinch]

198. Again poor poor Bernie. And the recent news begs the question: which people?