"I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us."

[Peacetrain]

From Bernie Sanders yesterday!

I have posted this before.. but this is exactly what I was talking about


"I have this overpowering urge to stand up and yell "What the hell is wrong with people"
Supporting an Independent and or a former republican mayor over a field of dedicated long term Democrats (and that includes Sen Warren.. she has been in the party quite a while)..


Seriously.. I am not calling them bad people.. but you have honest to God Democrats who put their names on the line as Democrats .. I just do not get it!.. Farther left in your political philosophy.. We have Senator Elizabeth Warren.. It just does not get any better for the lefter side of the party... A pragmatic liberal.. holy cow, we have a bunch for you.. VP Biden (who has actual experience in the executive office), Amy Klobuchar (long past time for a woman) and Pete Buttigieg.. (Up and coming young politician who can think so quickly on his feet)


Guys I just do not get it.. Sanders or Bloomberg either one.. I just don't.."


70

[LakeArenal]

1. I'm with you, Sistah!!!

It seems designed to disrupt the Democratic Party.

Who would want to do that???

(Rhetorical question)

[Peacetrain]

4. I keep looking at posts in DU of people telling me that one has

caucused with the Democrats and that is enough.. He said this the other day. What do people need to see?? I am just gobsmacked by this.. and Bloomberg is a former republican mayor who attacked Obama.. as did Bernie come to think of it..

[LakeArenal]

7. Alerts are abound, too.

I wish we could really say what we want to the same characters that use click bait to stir up trouble.

[handmade34]

2. same here

Bernie is not a Democrat and never will be... I don't get it either

[jimfields33]

29. I still believe that sanders made the party better

His entire campaign in 2016 was adopted by the party. He brought the party to its progressive beliefs. He’s a miracle. So many issues were brought to the front of the american people that were never discussed before at least mainstream. I don’t understand the negative. We should be applauding him daily.

[handmade34]

36. hmmm

wouldn't say he's a miracle Bernie is another "radical" thinking person who was in the right place at the right time... he's done okay in Vermont (I'm a Vermonter)… a lot of people have done good things that have changed communities, corporations, countries... Ralph Nader did some pretty awesome things (The Motor Vehicle Safety Act and other reforms) but he sure wrecked havoc in 2000...

Bernie's voice has been a force of good but his "my way or the highway" attitude is not what we need right now... a person can be influential, do great things for society and get much accolades but that doesn't mean they all should (could) be President.... Bernie is so absorbed in his ideology and his sense that "he is the only one who can fix it" is too reminiscent of others that have done great damage... Bernie has inspired so many and has done good, but that doesn't mean he has to be President to make those things he advocates more possible

Bernie as nominee will likely lose us the Presidency (my heartfelt opinion) and lose us Democrats in the House and Senate...

[wisteria]

43. 100000+

[jimfields33]

58. I think his my way of the highway stuff is frustration

He gets 99 percent of the negative media attention. The entire pundit groups on all the networks cable and broadcast are bashing him nonstop. It has to be frustrating to him.

[handmade34]

62. Bernie lived in my part of the woods

before he became Mayor of Burlington... Mayor and then Representative for Vermont and now has been one of my Senators for over 10 years... not frustration... just his way

[jimfields33]

72. Fair enough

I definitely don’t know him as well as you do. I’ll see how thing go. It’s been an interesting primary so far. I’d imagine lots of twits and turns to come. Styer is someone I’m looking at for ranking today and South Carolina.

[handmade34]

73. ...

[Tweedy]

56. Really?

President Obama moved the conversation forward from the neverending arguments of the 1960's, friend, when most Americans had no idea whom Senator Sanders was.

President Obama changed the American conversation more profoundly than any president since Ronald Reagan, and in a much better direction for we, the people.

All of us build together, standing taller on the ideas of those who came before us.

Secretary Clinton's policy proposals (adopted by the Party) were progressively nudged by Senator Warren, not the Vermont senator. Unfortunately, secretary Clinton got little air time about her progressive political ideas.

I like Bernie, but I have heard his tune before now. This tune has been with us, sometimes more offkey, sometimes less, since at least the 1960's. It sees our problems very well & rages against its natural allies, those trying to make real progress; yet, it is, sadly, light on solutions.

This one continues to hope Bernie will cut out the absurd attacks on "the democratic establishment", an attack right out of the last century (circa the '60's).

Senator Sanders needs to find a way to work with the millions of people in the trenches who are already working to make things better.

Insulting these folks is not a good strategy if one wants success. No one person can achieve much without working with those folks.

Right now, Bernie & his top people bash even the folks offering constructive criticism. This is hardly a good strategy if you actually want to get something done for the American people.

[handmade34]

54. ...

as a "Vermont Bush Person" I appreciate that... although I am a vegetarian

[Prue]

5. If the Movement is so strong then they should create their own Party

If the Bernie Movement is so strong then they should stand on their own feet and establish their own party. I think it would be a great idea to have a 3rd party and this may be one of the strongest times to accomplish this.

Democrats need to be careful we do not allow our party to be bastardized the way the republican party has been.

[jmg257]

8. He said he would do just that - in the same video when he said he was a Socialist...

https://www.mrctv.org/videos/sanders-i-am-socialist


Maybe the Liberty Union Party he was a candidate/chairman of didn't cut it?
They seemed to check both his boxes.

[Walleye]

15. And there's the threat.

Implicit and explicit. We remember Ralph Nader

[Tweedy]

60. We do.

Ralph Nader's purity caused us a lot of heartburn as a country.

Yet, Ralph Nader's activism saved so many of our lives on our nation's roads. This is not hyperbolic. Ralph Nader's activism saved hundreds of thousands (maybe more) of American lives.

Ralph Nader is many faceted.

Although disliking Bernie is a near impossibility (he is adorable in his irascible way) for me, comparing him to Ralph Nader seems unfair to Mr. Nader.

What has Bernie Sanders done constructively that is remotely close to Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at Any Speed", or Consumer Reports?

If such a thing exists, Bernie is strangely silent about it.

[LakeArenal]

9. Yes Afraid it's already happening.

[wisteria]

48. Yes, I have always thought they should.

They shouldn’t try and force their opinions and ideas on our party to change it into just what they want it to be. If they don’t like our platform, and out party as is, firm your own.

[Stuart G]

6. K and R..please read original post.

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. There literally is an amorphous Democratic Establishment, if the term is used nuetrally

I realize that among those of us inclined to a "Question Authority" state of mind, that most references to "the Establishment" are meant as negative, but the actual words convey something real. The genuine debate is over whether there is any thing wrong with being "established".

The establishment of any social grouping are those who are well established in leadership roles, and who thus wield considerable influence, usually to further the agenda which led to them occupying those leadership roles in the first place. The term "maverick" implies someone who breaks with the prevailing wisdom of those who generally control the leadership of a social grouping.

The "establishment" can be right, or the "establishment" can be wrong, but the term itself is not meaningless, although how literally it is applied to those aligned with prevailing forces can vary, and be overly dramatic. In 2008 during the primaries Hillary Clinton started out with the support of most of what could fairly be called "the establishment" of the Democratic Party. By 2010 the establishment of the Democratic Party now represented Barack Obama's alliance, with some of the same people belonging but newer elements also. The change of DNC Chairs that often happens when a new Democratic President takes office is a ritual changing of that guard.

[still_one]

11. I was never fooled by snake oil salesman

[wisteria]

53. Yes.

[Dream Girl]

12. I think most followers are naive and simplistic

With little understanding about how government works. They believe wat he’s saying and thing he can fulfill his promises when nothing can be further from the truth. As with Trumpists they are fueled by a mix of anger and naïveté. Low information and unsophisticated. Easily duped.

[cwydro]

26. Yup.

[defacto7]

32. Demagoguery is an ugly enemy.

I think of that film of Hitler speaking to a massive crowd in Nürnberg (I think) with his hands high, fingers splayed, bobbing his head back and forth while looking up and speaking with that growling sound. That's the extreme but the idea of appealing to the public through empty rhetoric to capture emotional appeal is an old ploy. It's up to the public, us, to decern what is sincere and what is populist crowd-speak and not be captured by the latter.

[romana]

13. I think he says these things

I think Bernie says this because he knows that if he's the nominee the party establishment that he hates so much will likely suck it up and support him, because they are good Democrats. So he gets to have his cake and eat it too, he can insult the party with impunity and expect their support in the GE.

Sometimes, it feels like the party is in an abusive relationship with Bernie.

[Laelth]

24. Interesting and thought-provoking. Thanks. n/t

-Laelth

[ahlnord]

93. truth

There is great truth in what you say.

[CousinIT]

14. 'Supporting an Independent or a former Republican mayor over a field of dedicated long term Dems'...

..know who wants us to do that?

RUSSIA. Because they calculate that this will help them re-"elect" Trump.

[cwydro]

16. Rec.

Though not a fan of Bloomberg, I could support him before Bernie. I think he scares impotus.

[BlueIdaho]

17. I don't need no revolution...

I need a fully functioning democracy.

[BlueIdaho]

23. Sorry

I’m not that skeptical, but good luck with your candidate.

[Squinch]

25. Bernie is funded by the people, a really big Super Pac, and now, it seems, Russia.

I don't know about others, but I dismiss him because the only concrete things he has ever done as a Senator was to name 2 post offices and get a COLA for vets in 2013.

He's more owned, and a lot less productive than any other candidate.

[Rebl2]

44. How does

he get away with attacking mayor Pete if he gets big money from a super pac? I’ve heard the same about his record in the Senate. Biden and Warren have accomplished much more in their time in the Senate than Sanders ever has. By the way I get sick of all his yelling. He acts like we are all hard of hearing.

[Squinch]

55. And the finger. Ugh! The finger.

[emmaverybo]

83. We don't know how "our revolution" is funded. That billionaires donate up to a cap does not mean

they “own” a candidate.

[Peacetrain]

20. Uh Huh

[defacto7]

35. No reflection on your candidate but

You've been here since 2010, have 30 posts, 24 of which were recent... are you just visiting or are you in for a while?

[Sunsky]

21. "The man" isn't out to get you BS

This conspiracy theory is getting old. It may win you some progressive votes during the primaries but it will sink you in the general election. Some of BS speeches would not pass DU's jury.

[Squinch]

22. As many here know, I think Bloomberg is a guy who can beat trump. For that reason, I'd

be happy if he won our primary. I feel like I am alone in thinking that is the only thing that matters, but it IS the only thing that matters this year, Everything crumbles if we don't win.

Sanders, on the other hand, almost guarantees us a loss. Not just for his low ceiling of support, or his newly revealed support from the Russians which skews results and then drops away during the general, leaving him right back at that low ceiling. But also for his own mouth. He just called us his enemies. He does it all the time. We talk all the time about "not alienating" that non-existent youth vote revolution. It DOESN'T EXIST! And in pandering to this phantom, he alienates ACTUAL voters. Like me.

I can't agree with you on Bloomberg. But I agree with you 100% on BS.

[delisen]

42. We have 1/2 of 1 of 3 branches of gov. We cannot afford to lose House

If we become the Democratic Socialist party in July we can easily lose the presidency. We then also lose hope of another Supreme Court appointment

Therefore we must save the House and try to pick up seats in the Senate. For that we need Bloomberg' s ongoing support. We also need some distance between us and Democratic Socialism and Bernie's ongoing dissing of Democrats
'

The party is going to take a beating because it has miscalculated on Bernie and Our Revolution.They will not play by the rules and will try to tear down and intimidate. Their aim is destruction and plunder.

There will be a massive battle at the convention. But the best thing is to not further give in. We have to win this battle before the Putin/Republican battle.

[Squinch]

52. Exactly.

[PubliusEnigma]

27. The Democratic Party should nominate a Democrat.

[still_one]

28. We will see about that. What comes around, goes around

[JustAnotherGen]

30. Preach!

I'm your choir! Greater comfort level with Sanders than Bloomberg -but i don't get it either.

[corbettkroehler]

31. Easily Comprehensible With A Modicum Of Effort

Link to tweet

[totodeinhere]

33. So your analysis would also exclude Bloomberg then wouldn't it?

And as far as Senator Warren goes, I would gladly support her and vote for her even though she used to be a Republican by her own admission.

[CaptainTruth]

34. I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. Tweets like this are one of the reasons he lost my support.

Not long ago in a DU thread I commented on how it seems like half his promoted tweets attack Democrats, in the form of the "Democratic establishment."

I want a candidate who attacks Trump & explains how, if they're elected, they will set about righting the wrongs of the Trump regime. TRUMP is the problem. The "Democratic establishment" is NOT the problem. Stop attacking my fellow Democrats & stop attacking my party.

[defacto7]

38. This

[emmaverybo]

85. Here here.

[oldtime dfl_er]

92. 1000%

this

[IronLionZion]

39. I bet a lot of Republicans don't "get" Trump either

there was a Never Trump movement in the GOP primaries. Lots of experts promised he would never even win the primaries, let alone the general election. Stranger things have happened.

I'm supporting the leftist woman Democrat in the race who has a plan for everything. Wish more would do the same.

[wisteria]

40. Wonderful post. I just don't get it either.

Maybe the DNC leadership is so weak, two opportunists could take advantage of it.

[nycbos]

41. Help help I'm being repressed.

[handmade34]

69. never gets old

[Sloumeau]

46. K&R!

[c-rational]

47. Good post, and sitting here discussing it with my wife this morning, we just don't get it either.

[KSNY]

49. Perhaps many feel betrayed by neoliberal establishment Democrats...

I have consistently voted Democratic, although often (this includes Bill Clinton) while holding my nose because I viewed their policies as damaging to working people. Just as unions (as they get larger) often betray the interests of their members to preserve the union itself, so has the Democratic establishment at times betrayed the interests of working Democrats. There is a lot of offense taken when the Democratic establishment should be asking itself why Sanders and Warren have done so well with small individual donations.

[H2O Man]

51. Recommended.

I think it's okay that you don't understand the significant number of Democrats who support Bernie Sanders. And it is good that you are open about that.

I'm reminded of part of an interview I did years ago with Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman. I took the time to look it up, so that I could use his exact quote here:

"I'm not sure everything can be explained. Some things you either understand, or you just don't. Maybe the goal should be to teach respect for other people, even if you don't fully understand them."

[Kali]

94. ...

[bitterross]

57. Bernie is as narcissistic as Trump. He will be a disaster if he is the nominee.

He is clearly trying to take down the Democratic party. While I think the party needs some improvement I do not support its total destruction.

Bernie will be a disaster if he is the nominee. He will harm every down-ballot candidate in the purple places. We have to take out McConnell and we will not be able to do that with Bernie at the top of the ticket.

[ehrnst]

61. "cause if he loses it's I'll be your fault"

[ehrnst]

70. You don't even understand that he's not "3 for 3"

[bitterross]

67. You are funny. Thanks for particpating.

Bernie lost BIG in 2016. He will lose BIG again in 2020.

I wish I had the magic wand to wave and make things all good. If I did, Trump would disappear and Hillary would be President. Bernie is a losing proposition.

Yep, I like a lot of what Bernie says. I'm a liberal after all. I want the government to be a service and aid to everyone. It cannot be anything I want if the electorate continues to vote in assholes like Trump. It's really frgging stupid to think we can have it all and that we don't have to compromise.

[bitterross]

76. Oh, FFS, the frontrunner? At this point?

We haven't even had a real primary as of yet. Who the f*ck cares about IA and NH? Nevada will be no better. Polls are useless.

Talk to me about the frontrunners after Super Tuesday.

Also, I have not bashed anyone. I have only stated the obvious. Bernie cannot win. He's viewed as a "Socialist" who is evil with respect to the US. Get real. People in the US are dumb. They believe it's illegal to be a Socialist. They believe our Constitution requires the predatory capitalism we have now.

[Shermann]

84. Agreed about Super Tuesday...

…then the extrapolation is on like Donkey Kong!

[mcambush]

63. Context matters, posting one sentence without giving reference is damaging!

He tweeted that statement as a way to emphasize and double down on an earlier comment he mades at a rally. This is what he said:

"As you may have noticed lately, the establishment is getting a little nervous. 'Oh my god, they're putting together a multi-generational, multi-racial movement of millions of people!'" Sanders told the crowd at the "get out to caucus" event. "'Oh my goodness, how can we stop them? How can we stop the workers who want higher wages? How can we stop the young people who want to go to college and not come out with debt? How can we stop the millions of people who understand that healthcare is a human right?'"
"So they're getting nervous," Sanders added. "But you know what? When we stand up together, they ain't gonna stop us."

I don't know about you guys but I don't think that comment is out of line or sinister. I read it as any other candidate saying something along the lines of "we're going to win the nomination and our message can't be stopped".
Keep in mind this came after reports of Bloomberg privately pushing for brokered
convention which would be extremly damaging and ensure us getting trounced by GOP. I support Warren but if Bernie gets nomination I'll support him 100%.

[jmg257]

74. It was HIS tweet. How HE chose to get HIS message out has to be examined for better substance??

By the rest of us??


Apparently THIS is THE only context that matters..a Bernie TWEET>


Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders

I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.

8:02 PM · Feb 21, 2020·Twitter Web App

[jmbar2]

64. Lawrence O'Donnell has a few things to say

[link:http://

Link to tweet

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[jmbar2]

89. Ask lawrence

[mcambush]

71. Context matters! This is problem with our dialogue and media

He tweeted that statement as a way to emphasize and double down on an earlier comment he mades at a rally. This is what he said:

"As you may have noticed lately, the establishment is getting a little nervous. 'Oh my god, they're putting together a multi-generational, multi-racial movement of millions of people!'" Sanders told the crowd at the "get out to caucus" event. "'Oh my goodness, how can we stop them? How can we stop the workers who want higher wages? How can we stop the young people who want to go to college and not come out with debt? How can we stop the millions of people who understand that healthcare is a human right?'"
"So they're getting nervous," Sanders added. "But you know what? When we stand up together, they ain't gonna stop us."

I don't know about you guys but I don't think that comment is out of line or sinister. I read it as any other candidate saying something along the lines of "we're going to win the nomination and our message can't be stopped".
Keep in mind this came after reports of Bloomberg privately pushing for brokered
convention which would be extremly damaging and ensure us getting trounced by GOP. I support Warren but if Bernie gets nomination I'll support him 100%.

[capechacon]

75. Congrats Bernie "brothers".....

...your zeal and naiveté will almost surely put the crooked nutcase back in the White House for another four years. Goodbye America.

[jmg257]

77. It was HIS tweet. How HE chose to get HIS message out has to be examined for better substance??

By the rest of us??

Apparently THIS is THE only context that matters -a TWITTER post>

Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders

I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.

8:02 PM · Feb 21, 2020·Twitter Web App

[mcambush]

96. It was his tweet reiterating a statement he made at a rally earlier that day

That statement wasn't nefarious, he basically said we have a cause and momentum. That our competitors are nervous so they'd like to stop us but we're not going to let that happen. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I didn't think it was decisive or a middle finger to the party but more of a "hey, we're going to win".

[jmg257]

97. Hmm.. I can see that interpretation. Unfortunately I am not sure how many else will see it

that way. Re: "hey, we're going to win"

Apparently not many here.

[Shermann]

78. Not enough choices in regards to gun control

Gun-toting left-centrist here. I am frustrated by the lack of options among the Democratic candidates related to gun control. For me personally, gun control is not a national priority for 2021-2024. On paper, all the Dem candidates have the same position on the assault weapons ban.

I was hoping for more of a Republican stance on this from Bloomberg.

[jmg257]

81. Welcome to DU! From Bloomberg? REALLY? You really haven't been paying attention to the gun issue!

[Shermann]

82. Please provide clarification

Here are the details on Bloomberg's gun plan:

https://apnews.com/d380592f27e00855d880ffe1ed01c61e

[jmg257]

87. Here ya go...

According to Bloomberg, Everytown was founded to match the National Rifle Association in political influence.

Bloomberg wants to be strong on guns and soft on crime

A gun-control lobbying group funded largely by billionaire Michael Bloomberg

Bloomberg has already been promoting gun reform as a private citizen. The gun safety group he helped found, Everytown for Gun Safety,

Bloomberg anti-gun backlash has just begun - New York Daily...

Bloomberg to Launch $50 Million Gun Control Initiative

Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) was formed in April 2006 during a summit co-hosted by mayors Michael Bloomberg

etc etc

If you are looking for "republican stance on guns" - it will certainly NOT be from Bloomberg.

[Shermann]

88. Thanks, yes I concur

Thus my frustration with my limited choices.

[jmg257]

91. Definitely. He may be the "worse" cause he actually walks the walk. and has the $$$.

Don't think gunners will get much help from now on...only 'positive' point is it hasn't come up much in debates, but has been discussed in town halls for sure.

Once the Senate flips, I would expect an AWB sooner rather then later.

[DanieRains]

79. Why We Did Not Get A Public Option

"As the chair of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Max Baucus is at the center of the congressional effort to craft health care reform legislation, a top priority of President Barack Obama. The Baucus-headed Finance Committee has been singled out by advocates and news organizations as the toughest obstacle for the President’s health care priorities. Containing more moderate and conservative members may not be the only reason. The committee is packed with lawmakers who have close ties to the health care and insurance industries, receiving large campaign contributions as their former staffers turn around to lobby for the very interests whose issues — in this case health care — they previously worked on. Baucus, as chair, stands out in particular.

Lobbying disclosure filings for the first quarter of 2009 reveal that five of Baucus’ former staffers currently work for a total of twenty-seven different organizations that are either in the health care or insurance sector or have a noted interest in the outcome. The organizations represented include some of the top lobbying organizations in the health sector: Pharmaceutical Manufacturers and Researchers of America (PhRMA), America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), Amgen, and GE Health Care."

https://sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/22/the-max-baucus-health-care-lobbyist-complex/

Would Baucus be a better senator than a Republican? Absolutely.

Still doesn't make the fact that we only get crumbs when "they" get the steaks any more appealing.

It is a lot more complicated than Democrats versus Republicans.

It is how much influence does corporate america hold over any given politician.

The establishment covers a lot of ground. Does it make our candidates bad, or corrupt? No way. It is because they need 50 million dollars to run for the senate, and the only way for many to get it is from "the establishment" / corporations who just want to make money with the government's help.

It is complicated.

I wish we could openly honestly talk about the real problems. The money controlling everyone in politics in one way or the other, and the people taking the money are not evil, they can't do anything good unless they get elected. Catch 22. I just wish we could talk about the reasons 100 million people don't vote because .......

[flamingdem]

80. His anger is NOT appealing

[Gothmog]

86. sanders has killed any chance to get his platform adopted in the real world

Link to tweet

[dlk]

90. Bernie has been outed so now he's doubling down

Buckle up...

[liberal N proud]

95. I hate arrogance