Bernie: WAS YOUR SKIRT TOO SHORT? LIPS TOO RED? STOP THE VICTIM BLAMING!!!!

[floppyboo]

I am horrified at the slut shaming on MSM and here. Enough!
EVERYONE should be doing something about this.

Stop putting it all on the victim.

I'm ashamed for all the bad behavior.

[CurtEastPoint]

1. context please?

[NurseJackie]

8. Apparently, Bernie is the "victim" (again) because he said nothing when he knew Putin was helping...

Apparently, Bernie is the "victim" (again) because he said nothing when he knew Putin was helping him in the polls, and in the primaries/caucuses.

I can hear his campaign staff's excuses right now: He wants to win, so why SHOULD he say anything, right? Win by any means possible, eh? Who cares if it's tainted?

The help may have come to him "unsolicited"... but he did NOTHING proactive to STOP IT, or to alert voters that it was happening!!! The way I see it... his silence was approval. Or, he just didn't care BUT HE SHOULD HAVE CARED!!!

This was a test of leadership and integrity and Bernie failed it... BIG TIME!

[Me.]

21. Apparently Now He's Claiming He Speaks To PBO Regularly

PBO allies say no. All these self inflicted wounds make me wonder what's really going on and maybe his internals are not the happy, happy his campaign would like us to believe

[NurseJackie]

25. This was a test of leadership and integrity and Bernie failed it... BIG TIME!

In my mind, he does not deserve to be POTUS. He's disqualified. He should withdraw now.

We deserve better.

[jimfields33]

56. Please. Most likely our nominee is not dropping out.

[dware]

59. Then be prepared for another 4 years of the Mango Menace,

along with a R dominated Congress.

[jimfields33]

60. Wow. I need that crystal ball.

So strange to hear from someone on a progressive site. Bernie has the largest population generation on his side (millennial and gen Z) and now added Hispanics and African Americans. I would hope boomers follow suit after his nomination.

[dware]

61. No so strange to say the truth.

Bernie will get crushed in the GE, along with down ballot Dems.

I drive truck for a living, I get a feel of the country from real people, not bullshit polls, truck drivers are ready to vote for a Democrat, even my conservative truck driver friends, of which there are many, but they won't vote for a far left socialist, period, they won't vote for Trump again, but they'll just not vote.

The vast majority of truckers I know want Joe Biden, not Bernie, who isn't even a Democrat, he's just using the Democratic Party to further his ambitions, while at the same time, bashing the Democratic Party.

[delisen]

63. We are not suicidal. We do need to fight Putin

And that means fighting authoritarians to the right of us and to the left of us

[musette_sf]

64. This is a Democratic site.

Democratic Underground.

[HarlanPepper]

69. Half of whom won't show up or believe they can vote on Instagram

[jimfields33]

75. That's kinda funny.

[Tweedy]

80. Not a boomer

Senator Sanders has not converted me.

Instead, he seems to double down on insulting politicians I admire.

Lots of folks I know, of many ages, creeds and skin hues are not on board with the 1960's heavy dude, Bernie Sanders.

I will admit the boomers are the funniest about it. They are waiting for Bernie to debate in bell bottoms, or a leisure suit Please make it velour 😉.

In the interest of full disclosure, Thom Hartman is a staple around here. Breakfast with Bernie is quite enjoyable.

But good grief!!! No one is entitled to this nomination. It has to be earned. You are not going to "follow the crowd" democrats into voting for your choice. That is how the Republican Party works friend.

Democrats need convincing. Bernie could start by ceasing his attacks on the Speaker.

Obviously, the Speaker is a member of that 1960's bugaboo "establishment", but then so is Bernie 😂.

[sheshe2]

87. Welp.

I agree with one thing you said.

So strange to hear from someone on a progressive site.

The OP comparing BSes treatment in the press to rape victims. This is the #MeToo movement and this so far out of place. BS was not raped and to compare it to that is beyond the pale.

[jimfields33]

100. True!!!!!

Excellent reply. Thank you. Honestly after awhile I admit I get caught up down thread that I lose track of what the original OP was even about as it could be hours or even days in some threads that I read the original OP. Thank you for pointing this out to me and quite frankly all of us. It’s a nice reality check.

[myohmy2]

94. +1

...I'm a Boomer and I'm following...

[cwydro]

116. Agree.

[Cha]

110. Didn't he know he'd get busted on that?

[Me.]

115. I Think He Feels Impervious

and the reason why is, like the last time, he has not been vetted or challenged. And Dems, bless their souls, are always conscious of being fair, often to such an extreme that they don't push back vigorously. I heard Jimmy Williams on Joy this morning say that it's time for our party leaders to step up. Another point made on the shows was that while BS has the biggest total so far, and let's remember only about half the numbers are in, he didn't get a majority. And, what the prevailing opinion is this morning is that a declared socialist will not win this election for us, which I believe to be true. So the media and everyone else better get on it.

[Cha]

120. Excellent points, Me..

I don't think Democracy is going to get any help from the media, though.. they seem to like their tax cuts too much.

[krissey]

46. He is the victim because Putin is trying to give him the nomination to run in GE?

Oh my, that is a twist.

[cwydro]

117. Interesting that the OP finds a rape victim analogy to be appropriate.

Smh.

[NurseJackie]

118. It tells me a lot about the BS campaign and...

... we'll, I'll just leave it at that for now (for obvious reasons).

[cwydro]

119. Yes, 'nuff said.

But I know exactly what you mean.

[Squinch]

9. Bernie is a victim like rape victims. Yep. No kidding. That's the inference.

[sheshe2]

84. Yes.

'What Were You Wearing?' exhibit takes aim at age-old sexual violence myth



https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/heidi-stevens/ct-life-stevens-thursday-ku-what-were-you-wearing-0914-story.html

I have no words.

[Kali]

2. huh?

[RandySF]

3. What is Bernie's record on Russia sanctions?

[Jamastiene]

4. Well, I generally agree that victim blaming is wrong, but

what are we in reference to here? Please answer. I need to know. I'm trying to finally decide here.

[kcr]

5. This OP is a very bad idea.

[LakeArenal]

62. Clickbait.

[Happy Hoosier]

6. WTF are you talking about? NT

[Sloumeau]

16. THIS! :) nt

[Squinch]

7. Quite ridiculous and perfectly offensive in its minimization of rape apology, all at the same time.

[floppyboo]

10. All morning, all I've heard is innuendo that Bernie is a liability for being a victim of Putin

I am totally fed up with this attitude.
Maybe we should all start a 'go fund me' to block Putin.

What is it you all don't understand?

If you get robbed on the street, let alone raped, no one is going to go: 'Oh my. There's a problem with you. Can you just go away now?'

This hardly an opaque attack for anyone who has been blamed while victimized.

[Squinch]

14. Well then get on it, floppy. What are you waiting for if that's the solution.

Post your plan and give us the link.

[kcr]

17. Oh, no.

Bernie is not the victim. What he did is more like watching someone else get robbed, then kept on walking while doing nothing. The point is he did nothing. He only made a statement when it came out in the news, and THEN he complained that the story even broke! Bernie is not the victim, here.

[sheshe2]

88. +1000

[George II]

19. So you're comparing Russian interference on Sanders' behalf with the rape of a woman? REALLY?

[musette_sf]

66. Evidently

and I share your incredulousness at the ploy.

[SunSeeker]

35. Bernie is being helped by Putin. Kinda hard to call him a victim of Putin.

Its even harder to call Bernie a victim after Bernie kept that very important from the voters, thus enabling Putin's help.

What he seems most angry about is the leak of this fact, not that Putin helped him. Kinda like how Trump got angry at McGuire for letting Congress know Putin was helping Trump in 2020.

So Bernie sat on this crucial info for a month, all through Iowa and NH. Do you think Pete's victory in Iowa would have been so narrow if Iowa caucus goers had this news about Putin helping Bernie?

It sure seems Buttigieg and the other Dem candidates were the victims here. Bernie, not so much. No more than Trump was a victim of Putin.

[George II]

82. Yes, he allowed the votes in Iowa and New Hampshire to go on without mentioning this but....

...he sure was agitated that it came out before the people in Nevada could vote.

[SunSeeker]

85. Yep. And he blamed the "Democratic establishment" for trying to stop him.

Alas, he had nothing to worry about. The Nevada vote, with it's 74,000 early votes already sent in, was already baked in. His tweet trashing the Democratic Party was for nothing.

[muriel_volestrangler]

70. The 'victim' here is the Democratic party, and the democratic process in general

not the candidate who was used by the criminal.

That you don't understand this is disappointing.

That you are raving about how Democrats are is the wrong, and your chosen candidate is the only victim, trying to compare it to rape, is offensive.

[HarlanPepper]

71. ...

Awww poor poor Bernie.

[Cha]

91. floppyboo.. What Are You Even Talking About?!!!

[rockfordfile]

98. Putin is the enemy

[Cha]

99. Just No.. you Have It Exactly Wrong, floppyboo.

[George II]

107. Being HELPED is not being "victimized".

[CalFione]

11. Did you literally just compare Bernie to a rape victim?

Bernie-ism is as much a cult as Trumpism.

[Squinch]

12. Yep. Just when you thought it couldn't get more icky.

[krissey]

48. That is what I got out of it. Shameful.

[sheshe2]

81. Yes.

"What were you wearing."

Posted this a while back.

'What Were You Wearing?' exhibit takes aim at age-old sexual violence myth

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/heidi-stevens/ct-life-stevens-thursday-ku-what-were-you-wearing-0914-story.html

The images are powerful. That anyone would compare BSes bad press and statement, it is a slap in the face of every man woman and child that was raped.

I am beside myself right now.

[ehrnst]

104. Ironic considering his "essays," isn't it?

[Mme. Defarge]

13. Are you suggesting that Bernie is a victim

of Russian propaganda and, as such, his month-long complicity in their efforts to promote his campaign should be excused. That he is even entitled to our sympathy?

[SMC22307]

15. No idea what you're talking about.

Substance matters.

[rzemanfl]

18. This is a ridiculous post.

If you want an analogy-this is more like a date rape victim telling her sorority sister to have a nice date with the same dude.

[Sloumeau]

20. I may be crazy but...

I suspect that comparing a man who is taking criticism to a female sexual assault victim seems not to be a good idea. Of course, I could be totally off the mark here.

[rzemanfl]

26. At the risk of getting an "Okay, Boomer" I say right on! n/t

[Sloumeau]

29. I am technically barely a Boomer too.

So, OK Boomer Brother or Boomer Sister.

[rzemanfl]

33. On which end? I am in the early part. n/t

[Sloumeau]

36. I was born today in 1963. When Generation X was first named, they said it started in 1962...

over the years it migrated to starting in 1964, and Baby Boomers were said to last until 1964. So, I was once Generation X, and now I am just inside the Boomer line.

[rzemanfl]

38. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

[Sloumeau]

41. Thank you very much! :)

Where the heck does the time go?

[moriah]

22. It's been awhile since I've said this, but....

... "Gag me with a forklift". Your comparison is worse than offensive to people who have actually been "slut-shamed", or asked just how they got raped.

If you want to argue your candidate is being victimized, you can do it without sexualizing such victimization.

To argue it in this manner trivializes sexual assault for clicks.

[moriah]

32. No, as in you CAN'T argue your candidate is being unfairly treated...

... without comparing it to sexual assault to get a bunch of views and controversy?

That says a lot right there.

And don't tell me to be silent. Survivors have been silenced enough.

[sheshe2]

89. ...

[Sloumeau]

34. I may be wrong, but telling another commenter to S...T...

*...U... might be crossing some sort of line here.

[dware]

51. Apparently it was. nt

[Cha]

93. Thankfully it is.

[True Blue American]

74. Thank you

It is sickening to compare this case to a rape. This is awful.

[Cha]

92. Thank you, moriah!

[Celerity]

54. disenguous attacks by Pete on Sanders? LOLOLOL Bernie supporters in social media and the radical

left mags, sites, and shows have been slagging Pete with one false charge, smear, and slur after another ever since he declared.

The 'Zuckerberg running his campaign' outright lie that was pushed by official campaign surrogates like Zephyr Teachout, etc, the gentrification bollocks, the LA Times reporter misquote that was retracted by the reporter with a few hours but is still concern-troll passed around as gospel, the elevation and constant pushing of rabidly homophobic local South Bend political foes who smear and lie, etc etc etc

Bernie DOES attract a lot of very, very problematic people out in the wilds of the internet and in real life. One need look no further than outrageous threats made against Culinary in NV, many against my fellow women of colour, made by many of his supporters. Many of his official campaign staff are very prone to take very confrontational stances towards our party and most all of the other candidates, save for the Russian-pushed Gabbard.


When it comes to Buttigieg smear jobs by the Sirota/TYT/Jacobin/DSA etc etc. Dem-hating rad left crowd, shit like this is so common:

'Racist' TYT reporter continues smear campaign against Buttigieg

https://orderofthecoif.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/racist-tyt-reporter-continues-smear-campaign-against-buttigieg/

The Young Turks today published the latest in a series of articles about Pete Buttigieg that they’ve characterised as “investigative reporting”. As will be shown in this article, these articles by Jonathan Larsen constitute nothing less than a sustained smear campaign that breaks all the basic rules of good, objective journalism. Mr Larsen consistently relies upon anonymous sources with suspect motivations, and often misleads his readers about the nature of documents on which he purports to rely.

The articles have also consistently pressed the most slanted and unfavourable interpretation against Mr Buttigieg, and relied substantially on innuendo and conspiracy theory dressed up as searching questions. The articles have sought to create an impression that Mr Buttigieg is engaging in racist policies or corrupt conduct, while failing to establish corroborated facts that actually support such an interpretation. This article will also set out Mr Larsen has questions to answer about his own conduct, which has been alleged in open court to include racist bullying, harassment and racial discrimination. Cenk Uygur should explain why a reporter credibly accused of racist conduct is allowed to continue on his staff while the issue remains unresolved.

Secret Tapes

The matter begins in January 2012 when Mr Buttigieg commenced his first term as Mayor of South Bend. Upon taking up a mayoralty, an Indiana mayor will determine who their chief of police shall be. The incumbent is not guaranteed to be appointed to continue under the new mayor. The incumbent chief in South Bend was Chief Darryl Boykins, an African-American police officer who enjoyed the confidence and respect of the community. Mr Buttigieg interviewed three candidates from the South Bend Police Department; Chief Boykins and division chiefs Steve Richmond and Tim Corbett. Mayor Buttigieg decided, based on his performance as chief and his good relations with the community, to reappoint Chief Boykins.

It has been alleged that six days after Mayor Buttigieg took office, on 6th January, 2012, Chief Boykins called division chief Richmond into his office and, “berated him for having been disloyal to him by seeking his job and for being a ‘backstabber'”. Chief Boykins also told Richmond that he had been wiretapping his and other senior officers phone lines, and that “he would fire anyone he determined to be disloyal”. It is also said that on 17th January, Richmond spoke to Karen DePaepe, SBPD Director of Communications, and asked her whether it was true that his line had been tapped. DePaepe responded that the chief requested a line tap “the day he promoted you to division chief”.

Richmond and other officers whose phone lines it transpired had been tapped by DePaepe at the request of the chief since 2010, went to the US Attorney for the Northern District of Indiana, a Democrat Mr David Capp (who was incidentally later fired by Donald Trump), to complain about the taps which they interpreted to be illegal breaches of their constitutional 4th amendment rights. The FBI commenced an investigation of Chief Boykins, and Mayor Buttigieg was informed. Prior to this the mayor was unaware of the existence of the tapes. The US Attorney informed the mayor that if Chief Boykins was quietly dispensed with as head of the SBPD, they would agree not to press charges.

snip

a lot more at the link, all documented

[Cha]

96. Pete was exactly right in what he said to Sanders

at the debate. I appreciated it!

[Codeine]

24. This is some offensive-ass shit right here. nt

[rzemanfl]

30. At the risk of getting an "Okay, Boomer" I say right on!

[NoDakLinda]

27. And how about those stupid "Russian Spies"?

Aren’t those Russian “election interference spies” dumb? They want to “help” the democratic front runner, the one who is attracting record crowds, to run against Trump? Bernie Sanders!

You are probably asking WHY? The silly answer is, "to help Trump win"? Um-hum? In the polls only 22 percent of people under 35 approve of the president. So, Trump wants “the” wildly popular with the young (Bernie Sanders) to run against. Exit polls from New Hampshire affirmed a generational split, with Sanders winning 47 percent of voters 18 to 29.

If Bernie gets the nomination it won’t “help” Trump win, but this kind of reporting might hurt Bernie if the listeners are really stupid.

[Squinch]

31. Heh. Welcome to DU.

😶

[rzemanfl]

37. RU a Democrat or an "Independent Socialist" like your profile says?

This is Democratic Underground.

[MrsCoffee]

40. Da.

[Codeine]

42. 36F and snowing.

Bundle up!

[SunSeeker]

44. So Putin leaked that the story that he's helping Bernie?

That's some 9 dimensional chess!

[ehrnst]

106. I know, right? Clearly our intelligence system just doesn't get it...

[jmg257]

68. Huh - so you are saying maybe the Russians actually want Bernie to win?

That would be the other reason.

[ehrnst]

105. Frantic redirection...

When you know you're looking at a trainwreck, and you're part owner of that train... and you want people to look OVER THERE....

[ehrnst]

108. "Stupid Russian Spies"

That's certainly a clear eyed, calm, intellectual analysis of a news story, isn't it?

[MrsCoffee]

39. You should be ashamed of this OP.

This is about the lowest I've seen a Bernie supporter go. I mean, all the Jesus comparisons were one thing, but this is fucking sick.

Seriously. You should just delete this garbage.

[SunSeeker]

45. +1

[krissey]

49. Sick.

[Codeine]

53. The ability to feel shame

is obviously not universal. More’s the pity.

[musette_sf]

67. + 1

[gollygee]

73. +1

This is pretty bad

[betsuni]

90. +1

[Squinch]

102. This is really the only response this OP deserved. +1.

[Codeine]

43. " I'm ashamed for all the bad behavior."

What you should be ashamed of is your post.

[krissey]

47. Are you really using the misogyny used against our women and girls to shame them and

attack and humiliate them to compare it to Sanders getting Russia's help to win a nomination guess with the short skirt and lipstick comment you are implying her responsibility in her rape, right? So equating Russia helping Sanders to rape? Really?

[irisblue]

50. This is really truly an offensive over the top post.

Honest and true.

[Peacetrain]

52. Good grief... this is not helping ..

I can tell you are upset..but this is the wrong wrong way to express it... get rid of this op

[apcalc]

55. Putin views his campaign as a vehicle for discord and disruption.

To that end Putin’s minions and sympathizers are here everyday , and probably everywhere else .

I don’t give a rat’s ass about Sanders’ intentions.

I have no intention of helping Uncle Vlad.

I will support the candidate who Putin does NOT support, thank you, and who I believe can beat Trump.

[Mme. Defarge]

57. Are you REALLY a Sanders supporter

or a Putin operative on DU trying to sow more division among Democrats with this preposterous post? If not, this does nothing to help your preferred non-Democratic candidate.

[stonecutter357]

58. fuck putin and trump ...

[jmg257]

65. WT? Did Bernie write another fantasy novel??

[Codeine]

72. BWAAAHAHAHAAA!!

[Hav]

77. At least that made me laugh

because the original post was just infuriating.

[SunSeeker]

114. LOL

[Duckerington]

76. Examples?

Are there any examples you'd like to post here? I have no idea what you are referring to at the moment

[tritsofme]

78. You disgrace yourself, your candidate, and DU with this shameful nonsense.

[sheshe2]

83. You compare Sanders treatment on MSNBC to slut shaming?

You compare it to rape?

What are you thinking! Please just stop.

What were you wearing?

'What Were You Wearing?' exhibit takes aim at age-old sexual violence myth



https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/heidi-stevens/ct-life-stevens-thursday-ku-what-were-you-wearing-0914-story.html

This is highly insensitive. Look a the clothing on the walls. it is women, children and men that have suffered from sexual abuse.

I am crying here.

[George II]

86. If I posted this and saw the reaction I'd self-delete. But then I wouldn't have posted it at all.

[Cha]

97. I don't know anyone who would

have.

[Codeine]

111. You're blessed with human decency.

Not everyone is so equipped.

[betsuni]

95. What?

[greatauntoftriplets]

101. "Everyone" should be doing something???

Maybe you should be doing something since it apparently means to much to you.

Me, I need a shower after reading this trash.

[ehrnst]

103. Well, that's not an offensive and weirdly ironic comparison whatsoever...

[Cha]

109. Mahalo, ehrnst!

[ehrnst]

112. ....

[Cha]

113. Aloha!

What a mess!

Thank Goodness Cooler heads prevailed.