We're screwed. Trump will probably win again and we'll probably lose the House.

[jaysunb]

Mark my words, a Sanders nomination we'll effectively end the American experiment as we've known it.

[OliverQ]

1. Then America deserves to collapse if Americans are that stupid.

[Codeine]

40. I don't. You don't. My children certainly don't.

Fuck that “deserves it” bullshit.

[Hortensis]

58. Agree 100%. Except for those, left and right, who did it. nt

[PatSeg]

77. And my grandchildren don't deserve it either

Nothing that I did or didn't do brought us to this point!

[onecaliberal]

129. My family does NOT deserve to collapse.

[ripcord]

148. Isn't it strange that some people can guarantee a loss if Bernie is the nominee

But they can't guarantee a win with any other candidate, selective certainty isn't comforting.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

154. Strange indeed... but not surprising.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Eyeball_Kid]

156. If the Dems lose, it won't be because of Bernie or any other candidate.

1. Bernie is "vulnerable" just as any other candidate is vulnerable. Trump has power and he's a bully, sociopath, and liar. He will punch down on any candidate. His opp research as everyone staked out. The fear that Bernie is especially vulnerable because he's branded as a socialist is a bunch of hooey. (Chris Matthews needs to start yelling at kids to get off his lawn. He's ceased to be a decent pundit.) Sanders can pick that argument apart in less than 10 seconds, and he'll do it every time. The "socialist" brand doesn't work to his advantage for some segments of the voting public, but all branding for any Dem candidate will show a weak spot. If other candidates aren't as vulnerable as Sanders now, they will be if they advance to the head of the pack. Trump is paying people a lot of money to ruin the lives of his opponents. And Trump is vicious and sadistic to an extreme. His challengers must know the enemy.

But that isn't the end of the story.

2. The candidate who has the deepest vulnerability is.. Trump. His biggest vulnerability is his fealty toward Putin. He's a Russian Asset. He's been giving secrets away to the Russians. He's a Russian money launderer. The Dems need to nail Trump on this fact, over and over, without DEFENDING their allegations. The Dems should have one strategic goal: Rip Trump apart, from every angle, in every way. Spare nothing. And start NOW. The nation can't wait.

Remember: Trump is far more vulnerable than ANY Democratic candidate. If the Dems can't envision that, then they already lost.

3. The Dem leadership has to get off its self-pity rag and relentlessly fire both barrels at Trump, accuse him of being a Russian turncoat, a raging liar, a president who hates the Constitution, a person who is committing crimes by soliciting help from foreign governments, who is ripping the DOJ and the IC apart, etc. The leadership doesn't need "proof". The Dems had proof beyond a reasonable doubt about Trump's Ukraine extortion scheme and look what happened-- The GOP Senate sucked up their testicles and denied Trump's actions. The Dems need to accuse, and accuse and accuse. Once Trump goes on the defensive, and he will if the Dems play it right, they can steamroll him out of the White House.

4. But all of the above only makes good copy if a legitimate election will occur in November. Remember, Trump can now openly commit felonies like election fraud and get away with it because nothing gets in his way anymore. Credit for this development goes to the illustrious GOP: cowards to the core, no longer a political party, but an ascendent gang of henchmen and thugs, all ready to serve their Russian agent at the drop of a tweet.

[applegrove]

2. He could win some of Trump's base. Nobody else can punch through.

[octoberlib]

5. Only 3 states matter and other Dems are polling higher than Sanders.

We will be looking at 4 more years of Trump , for sure.

[OliverQ]

14. Only Biden is polling higher in some swing state polls.

The other Dems are not beating Trump in any swing state polls.

You and I both support Warren. She's polling worse than Bernie in all swing states.

[Kaleva]

43. Bloomberg is leading in Florida and Michigan

[uponit7771]

173. Bloomberg doesn't have any leading AGGREGATE polling, not one !!!

[jimfields33]

55. They need to start winning then

I think I am extremely proud today. People of color voted in large numbers. I thrust that group immensely. I think we all should.

[Claritie Pixie]

89. Yes! This is what my family helped me realize.

[Squinch]

112. .

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

155. Bernie appeals to a wide swath of the electorate cuz his policies appeal to peeps sense of fairness.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Downtown Hound]

3. Your opinion is noted

And rejected. Have a nice day.

[elleng]

4. Thanks

[jaysunb]

6. Thanks, but if Biden or Bloomberg are not the nominee, we're fucked.

And you enjoy the rest of your day as well.

[Downtown Hound]

10. I'm a Biden supporter

But this whole Bernie will doom us shit is tiring and not supported by facts.

[OliverQ]

18. Thank you. You're the first Biden supporter I've heard say that.

The rest say we should yet again vote for an establishment candidate because only they can win the election, despite none of them winning the General Election in this century.

Biden might very well beat Trump, I don't know. I would vote for him if he were the nominee. But Bernie polls very well with all Demographics, so the idea that he will absolutely crater and burn and only a Biden or Bloomberg can possibly win is not based on evidence.

[Downtown Hound]

31. Exactly. People who are constantly making this claim about Sanders dooming us

think this is the same electorate that existed in 1972. It's not. It's not even the same electorate that existed in 2004. It's younger, way more diverse, much more liberal, and also struggling with enormous student debt, crappy wages, and fear of the future.

The candidate that makes them believe he can change the course we're currently on is the one that will win. If that's Bernie then he has my complete support.

[Rilgin]

44. I will add my thanks for someone supporting their own candidate with respect for others.

I have been for Warren this campaign season but totally distressed at the attacks on Bernie. Especially attacks which assert that the posters opinion is a fact. I was drawn in the fights in 2016 but internally vowed to not post negative of any candidate. What I have found is that I have been solely posting to defend Bernie and Bernie supporters against constant attacks on this site.

I again salute your attitude in that like the above poster, I have not seen many discussions of Bernie that include people who support other candidates but are respectful. It is not a done deal yet and I hope that your attitude prevails no matter who comes out at the end.

[Downtown Hound]

116. At the end of the day, it's about uniting the opposition

We have the numbers, we just need to come together and we will win.

[Meadowoak]

64. +1

[MerryBlooms]

144. rec.

[ripcord]

24. It is interesting that we have been focused on registrering young voters

We get these young voters fired up about their first election then tell them you can't vote for the candidate that you support and who excites you, if you do you are bringing the downfall of the U.S., the western world and eventually the planet and that attitude is complete bullshit.

[Downtown Hound]

37. Indeed. n/t

[Qutzupalotl]

134. It is supported by the facts.

First, because they couldn’t find enough dirt on Biden, they had to pressure an ally to make stuff up. And the best they could come up with is some vague charge of nepotism, of which the Trumps are far more guilty.

Second, there is a pile of damning opposition research on Bernie almost two feet thick:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287502598

Third, the Republicans are encouraging their members to support Bernie, because they know he will be the easiest to beat with all the aforementioned material. It’s called Operation Chaos 2020.

Fourth, Putin and his state-run media mouthpieces are telling us directly that they are boosting Bernie and why:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=556109

Russian state media says Trump should wish the best of luck to Bernie Sanders, whose candidacy brings “nothing but joy” for the incumbent. They describe Sanders as "an ideal opponent who can be taken down easily by Trump."

[Downtown Hound]

135. When it actually damages his standing, get back to me

Until then he's leading Trump in most polls and the ever growing share of the electorate that is Gen Z and Millennials. So, no, it's not supported by facts. What you just posted is a lot of wishful and delusional thinking on the Republican side who mistakenly think this is still 1972 and they can scare these voters off by yelling, "Commie!"

Those days are over. Younger voters are outvoting older voters now, and they love Bernie.

[Qutzupalotl]

136. By then it will be too late.

They won’t release the oppo material until Bernie is the nominee.

They couldn’t find dirt on Biden. They are boosting Bernie. They have a pile of material waiting to use on him. Our intelligence agencies say Russia is boosting Bernie. Russia itself is saying they’re boosting Bernie and why. You can claim these aren’t facts, but they are.

Listen to someone who knows Russia well:

Link to tweet

[Downtown Hound]

137. None of those are facts, they're opinions

Learn the difference.

[Qutzupalotl]

141. They are all facts,

and the fact that you dismiss them without refuting them says a lot.

For starters:
Did Trump send Giuliani to Ukraine to search for dirt on Biden, yes or no?
Were they successful in their search?
Did Trump pressure an ally to say publicly he was investigating Biden in order to smear him, yes or no?

[Downtown Hound]

142. There's nothing to dismiss

Oh my God, they have oppo research! Yeah, no shit. Did you really think they wouldn't?

[Qutzupalotl]

143. So it is factual.

[Downtown Hound]

145. Factual that they have oppo research? Um, yes. I never said they didn't have

research. But that's not the point. The point is that you're saying we're automatically doomed if Sanders is the nominee, um, because they have oppo research? LOL. Um no, sorry, that's your interpretation. Not a fact. And it ignores all current polling as well as demographic data that points to conservative voters being an ever shrinking percentage of the electorate.

Those are facts.

[Qutzupalotl]

147. You said all my facts were opinions.

I never said we’re automatically doomed. I said that Putin said Bernie is the easiest to beat. That’s a fact.

[Downtown Hound]

149. Your initial post to me was in respose to this:

"But this whole Bernie will doom us shit is tiring and not supported by facts." And you said, "It is supported by facts."

So yeah, you actually did say we were doomed if Sanders is the nominee, maybe not directly but through implication.

So number one, fuck Putin. I don't base my idea on who to vote for based on what that KGB bitch ass fascist autocrat thinks. Putin doesn't live here and does not know Millennials and Gen Z. I'm a Gen X'er who has many friends who are of those age groups and works with many more. And I can tall you they love Bernie. And polling backs me up on that.

Another fact, Gex X, Gen Z, and Millennials will make up 60% of the electorate in 2020. Those generations outvoted Boomers and Silent in 2018, and will do so by an even greater margin in 2020. Sanders is by far the most popular candidate among them.

Number two, I don't need Pooty Poot to tell me shit. He's nothing but a cheap ass dictator playing his own stupid games. I'm perfectly capable of reading data on my own and coming to informed decisions on my own. Putin can say Bernie will be the easiest to beat. I'm not disputing that's what he thinks, I'm disputing that it's fact.

Because it's anything but.

[Qutzupalotl]

151. To be clear, we are not automatically doomed.

But there is evidence supporting Bernie having a hard time, or “gloom.”

Trump feared Biden enough to violate the law and get impeached trying to smear him. That tells me his oppo file is probably the thinnest of all. Trump seems elated that Bernie is surging.

Republicans welcome Bernie as an opponent and tell their members to vote for him in open primaries such as South Carolina — Operation Chaos 2020.

Putin is possibly the richest man in the world. He is not all-powerful, but he does have detailed psychographic profiles on nearly every American voter, and the tools to microtarget individual voters to motivate them to vote a particular way, like they did in 2016. If you’re immune to that, great. But there are millions more who are susceptible to it.

[uponit7771]

175. +1

[uponit7771]

174. FACT: Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most

[OliverQ]

15. Why do you assume either of them can win?

[Saviolo]

45. Also, if Bloomberg is the nominee, we're fucked

For lots and lots of reasons.

[uponit7771]

176. +1, I don't believe people are even thinking about Bloomberg

[Bradshaw3]

59. If Bloomberg is the nominee we're screwed

But rant on.

[Eyeball_Kid]

158. The Democratic candidate will be running against TRUMP.

Trump has more vulnerabilities than there are stars in the Milky Way. The Dems will win if they sharpen their teeth and take no quarter.

Trump knows he's vulnerable. That's why he's planning on ELECTION FRAUD. The Dems MUST be out in front of what's coming and forecast the fraud in the most graphic terms. They must expose the entire GOP as enabling Trump to commit election fraud.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. I second that!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Collimator]

181. I support Downtown Hound. . .

. . .in this sentiment.

The opinion of the original poster is noted and under skeptical examination.

Do try to enjoy a last meal or something before you plunge to your doom off whatever precipice you have selected for your "The End is Near" soliloquy.

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[Bonobo]

7. Everybody! Mark his words!!!

The people voting for Sanders know nothing!!!

[oasis]

97. "know nothing"?

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" Alexander Pope.

Maybe those voters should know more

[HarlanPepper]

8. Hard to argue at this point

Still a long way to 1,901 though.

[Lexblues]

9. Yep, say goodbye to Speaker Pelosi

We're so fucking screwed. I can't believe this is happening. Bernie is an existential threat to the Democratic Party as we know it. Bernie is going to load up the party with nothing but his loyalists, just like Trump. There will be no unity.

[alittlelark]

48. No Bernie fan here, but there is a line in your post I find disturbing -

" Bernie is going to load up the party with nothing but his loyalists, just like Trump."



I find that little snippet rather disturbing. WHY do you think that?

Why are you comparing Bernie to the orange Stalin squatting in the WH?

WHY are you running around with your hair on fire screaming that 'We're so fucking screwed!!111!!!

Your fatalism seems designed to be contagious.

Wherever you are - try going outside and taking a deep breath and a look around. Ask yourself if this is the best use of your limited time on this planet.

Breathe...........


And recognize that if BS is the nominee 99.99% of DUers will back him like he is their bestie from HS.

[5X]

101. Something along these lines needs to be its own OP.

Agreed.

[MrsCoffee]

121. He surrounds himself with Jill Stein voters and people who sow distrust and division in the party.

Of course we are worried about his loyalists.

[W_HAMILTON]

11. If Sanders were to win the nomination...

...you can look to a lot of House and Senate Democratic candidates running on the message that "I don't support Sanders, but we must beat Trump, and I will not be like those Republicans that let Trump run roughshod over the country, I will actually hold Sanders to account."

This is probably the best we can hope for if Sanders were to win the nomination, in which case, then what happens? Sanders supporters probably spend most of the election attacking these Democrats rather than going after Trump (which, honestly, is what they do now as is) and then it's a question of whether either of those factions can manage to win or whether the in-fighting causes them both to lose as they turn off each others' supporters.

[ibegurpard]

30. just like many of them ran on not supporting Pelosi

and she didn't care and was like "whatever you need to do to win."

[W_HAMILTON]

52. Except Sanders -- and especially his supporters -- don't really follow in Pelosi's footsteps.

You can rest assured that he and his supporters will attack Democrats that do not support him, pretty much like how they are doing that already.

[Bettie]

12. Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine

so, you'll vote for Trump if Sanders wins the primaries? Or you won't vote because your guy didn't win?

If we turn out, we win.

If we have hissy fits and stay home or vote for a third party or Trump becasue our favorite didn't come out on top, we lose.

If we pull together and unite behind WHOEVER ends up on top, we win.

If you're ready to throw in the towel after three primaries...well, that's just sad.

[jaysunb]

21. Sen. Warren would have a better chance than Sanders.

I'll vote for whoever we nominate just like I voted for McGovern in 1972 knowing full well we would get smashed.

[Bettie]

27. And I refuse to give up hope

we know virtually nothing now except that three states have voted.

Give it until after Super Tuesday. Lots of delegates up for grabs and a lot can change.

And if it doesn't? Sanders has appeal for a lot of people. We can still win. Trump hasn't gained supporters, but he's lost many.

[2naSalit]

35. A couple things

It's early in the race. Allow some of the voters to vote. A couple tiny states have voted so far and so many here are ready to fling a bunch of decent candidates aside because you can't wait for other voters to cast their votes. Calm down. I know everything is messed up because of -45 but that means we have to do more than vote to manage the issue.

You can't have a peaceful transfer of power if you don't allow the process to work. We have one more tool available that is immediate and once in a while we use it. We have reached the time that we need to make it a regular practice and that is civil disobedience. There are many ways to act, we had better organize and act... now. If you're anxious, go do that rather than sit here and make demands that deny others their rights.

[True Blue American]

103. 300,000

Voted in the Nevada Caucus.

Iowa gave it to Mayor Pete, but they were all messed up so are doing a recount. Sanders won New Hampshire. The democratic Leader in that state came out and said both Iowa and New Hampshire were outdated, did not represent the Country.

[evertonfc]

13. agree 100%

A Democratic Socialist can't win in middle America but the problem will be the drag on moderate house and Senate candidates that have been. winning since 2018.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. Please stop. This kind of thinking only encourages the republicans and the Russians.

They do monitor this site and our grief brings them joy.

Get out and work for your candidate.

It will help!

[Moderateguy]

20. Hopefully Putin is reading this

and his heart literally bursts with joy

[YOHABLO]

17. No, people who refuse to vote will end this American Experiment.

[Demsrule86]

25. Sanders is the nominee Trump wants and on a cold November day we can watch it all crumble when

Trump gets four more years and possibly the house.

[YOHABLO]

32. Well I'm going to vote and encourage others to as well.

I think Bernie or any other Dem candidate can take on Trump and win. Trump is his own worse enemy. Keep that in mind.

[Demsrule86]

96. I don't. We need to win the EC . I will vote for any nominee including Sanders. But I

dont think we win the statesvwe need with him.

[bluedeathray]

19. Is this discussion going...

...towards admitting that Americans are getting what they're voting for?

Lack of critical thinking skills means people are more susceptible to "attractive jargon", whatever that means to you as an individual.

And way too many people don't vote, won't vote, and seem proud of their ignorance, lack of historical perspective, and fatalistic views.

The American experiment died in 1980.

[Shermann]

46. The voters get the government they deserve

Critical thinking seems to be dead in much of the conservative news media. It's all built up on logical fallacies.

[DarthDem]

22. This Isn't Accurate

Sen. Sanders isn't my candidate. But the House is not going back to the "Republicans" no matter who is at the top of the ticket. I believe Democrats will take the Senate as well. The relationship between presidential and congressional voting isn't as correlated as you seem to think.

[Demsrule86]

26. Moderates won the house and they are up for reelection...the top of the ticket is big on who wins.

[DarthDem]

33. If you go district by district,

There really aren't very many vulnerable House Dems. There are about just as many freshly vulnerable House Republicans. And as I noted there isn't the same correlation between upticket and down as there was in the recent past.

[Rilgin]

49. There is also another built in assumption.

I will try by analogy. A track team has 2 racers. One is better over most of the track but has a weaker kick than the other but both are comparable. Different but comparable. The coach picks one to race and he beats the rival team's racer. Does that mean the other racer who did not run in the race would not have run too?

The Blue Wave in 2016 might not have been candidate specific at all but a referendum on trump. Whatever candidate was put up in districts that flipped might have won regardless of whether the candidate was progressive or centric. The district itself might democratic centric which is why the centrist/moderate won the primary but may say nothing about whether the progressive would have had equal results in the general.

[DarthDem]

86. That's Fair

nt

[dsc]

109. Except a bunch of jusice dems did run

And they lost

[Rilgin]

159. The same assumption holds in reverse

You assume that a Non-Justice democrat would win where the Justice Democrat lost. There are also differences between candidates as political animals. You have a lot of assumptions built in. I will point out that under your assumptions, we should not run a centrist because Hillary lost 2016. However I assume you think Bernie would have also lost. You also assume that the justice democrats who won the democratic primary were in districts where republicans were not strong and committed so that any candidate would lose the general even though a progressive won the primary.

I don't really have the same assumptions. In my world it is really possible that some districts a centrist might be better and some districts a progressive might be better purely as an electability measure. However, in many districts it does not make a difference especially in times like we have at the moment where parties are so divided. This is mostly consistent with Rachel Bitecofer's analysis of the electorate which I find pretty interesting.

[dsc]

160. We can look at numbers

Justice Democrats only won in primaries except for two and those two won in Democratic districts. Non justice Democrats won 30 plus seats.

[Rilgin]

166. Your numbers are off

From Wikipedia (sorry but did it fast) In the 2018 elections, 26 of the 79 candidates endorsed by Justice Democrats won their respective primary elections. Seven of these candidates won in the general election: Raúl Grijalva, Ro Khanna, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Pramila Jayapal.

7 Won their election 14 lost. The 14 is more than the 7. 2 are labeled runoff. However, the assumption is a non-justice democrat would have won those 14 districts. I have no idea nor do you, it is untested. Further, I am not a member of Justice Democrats and know little about their selected candidates. Some of these candidates may have been bad candidates although great people. Lots of them lost their primaries.

Looking at the major number of 63 justice endorsed candidates who did not win their primary, How many of their opponents lost their general election race. I just looked at one randomly cause I don't have ton of time to research them all but the one I looked at the non justice winner of the primary went on to lose the general election in a district that had started to trend democratic. This was just a random look and maybe distorted because obviously democrats won districts in which justice democrats lost the primary. However, I did select randomly (Pennsylvania's 15th Congressional District) I know nothing about the democrat that ran in that district but it was a losing campaign. Could a justice democrat have done better in that district, that is the assumptions I questioned. We can not test it and it is an untested assumption as are the rest of the 63 both on the resultant democratic wins and losses..

Most of the justice democrats endorsed candidates (63) ended up not qualified for the general since they lost the primary so we can not see their strength in the general.

3 Republicans won open previously Democratic Seats. None of the 3 losing candidates were endorsed by Justice Democrats who you are using as your boogeyman.

Minnesota 1: Won by Jim Hagedorn.[38]
Minnesota 8: Won by Pete Stauber.[39]
Pennsylvania 14: Conor Lamb instead ran in the 17th district. Won by[39]


Only 13 seats represented a change from republican to democratic. You assume only a non-justice democrat would have won those races. I congratulate these democrats but I don't assume that other democrats might have had similar success which is my point.

Arizona 2: Won by Ann Kirkpatrick.
California 39: Won by Gil Cisneros.
California 49: Won by Mike Levin.
Florida 27: Won by Donna Shalala.
Michigan 11: Won by Haley Stevens.
New Jersey 2: Won by Jeff Van Drew, who became a Republican on December 19, 2019.[40]
New Jersey 11: Won by Mikie Sherrill.
New Mexico 2: Won by Xochitl Torres Small.
Pennsylvania 5: Won by Mary Gay Scanlon.
Pennsylvania 6: Won by Chrissy Houlahan.
Pennsylvania 7: Won by Susan Wild.
South Carolina 1: Won by Joe Cunningham.
Washington 8: Won by Kim Schrier.

[Demsrule86]

93. That is not true. If Sanders loses big in those red purple districts, we lose the house.

Sanders gets my vote in a general...congress gets my campaign work and vote.

[DarthDem]

100. Which ones?

Just wanting to see which seats concern you. ,

[Demsrule86]

122. The districts that Trump won in 16 by large margins...a high turnout of Trump supporters...

in the presidential general could sweep all of them out really...look at what happened to Feingold. I think we could lose Sen Peters in Michigan too...and the other GOP like McSalley wins.

[DarthDem]

138. I don't think so

Nothing has changed about Trump. Those voters who tossed out "Republicans" in 2018 in such districts in the House were reacting against him. And he's still there to react against.

I don't think you need to be worried about Sen. Peters. His opponent is not particularly sharp and the statewide trend in Michigan from 2018 toward electing Democrats statewide will very likely continue. As for McSally, she will self-destruct on her own. IMO she already has, past the point of no return. She's also been rejected by the voters of AZ once already. I don't think the top of the ticket will have any influence on that race at all unless it's her tying herself to Trump, which most people don't want to hear.

[Demsrule86]

162. They will vote against Sanders...and it will continue down ticket. if we had a nominee they could

support, it would be different.

[karynnj]

23. Not if we all stand behind the nominee

One thing that has been ignored is that Bernie actually has polled better against Trump on a consistent basis than anyone except Biden. Bloomberg overall - at best even with all his ads - merely ties Sanders.

As to Sanders, I think he needs to do a "Reverend Wright" speech explaining what he personally believes the role of government is. He has used the word "socialist" or "democratic socialist". However, his vision and his proposals are NOT what socialism is. I live in Burlington VT, and people who lived there when he was mayor speak of what he did as mayor. It was not as radical as some would think. Additionally, a former rabbi at the synagogue I attend who was a close friend of his argued that in the 2016 debates he should not have spoken of Denmark -- but FDR. In many ways, he is an FDR Democrat.

I know I would prefer someone else - Warren or Biden - but we may need to help make Sanders seen for what he is. As a person - and as a leader - he, like many other Democrats, is far far better than Trump. We may need to have to sell him to people who are undecided.

[Demsrule86]

29. Wishful thinking not political reality...this is a center left country maybe a center right

country after Trump, and Sanders will crash an burn. I would do anything to help him get elected...but honestly I can't think of a single thing that would work. I will vote for him and work to save the house...but I still hope Biden wins the nomination and if it comes between Bloomberg and Sanders, I will vote for Bloomberg in the primary and the general.

[Downtown Hound]

36. What makes you think a man who spent his career using law enforcement to terrorize

the most reliable Democratic voting constituency in existence has a better chance than Sanders does against Trump?

[Demsrule86]

92. Trump is the terrorist; he must go. And Sanders is not great on guns ...important

Issue for me. If I thought Sanders had a chance to beat Trump, I would happily vote for him, but I don't. And consider what a 6- 3 court will do to all of us. Nope, Bloomberg over Sanders.

[Downtown Hound]

115. I would vote for Bloomberg over Trump too

Because yes, beating Trump is the highest priority. Although I would come home and vomit after casting my vote. If he inspires that in me, imagine how he makes African Americans feel. We lost last time in no small part because a lot of them stayed home. I would venture even more would this time around if Mr. Stop and Frisk is our candidate.

[Demsrule86]

123. Do you understand that Black women are going for Bloomberg? because he has the money to beat Trump.

And being a three term Mayor in the city, he knows plenty about Trump...it is a hail mary as Sanders will lose for sure and with Bloomberg, we may have a chance. I would prefer Biden but if the other moderates don't get out by super Tuesday, it won't happen.

[Downtown Hound]

128. 22% support from African Americans

There's another 78 that seems to be missing. Lots of wishful thinking in your post.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jury-black-voters-bloomberg-stop-frisk-apology/story?id=67117781

[Demsrule86]

164. According to what I heard to day on MSNBC that has gone up. We won't know until super Tuesday.

[Downtown Hound]

171. Maybe it went up to 23%.

[karynnj]

68. I would suggest that there is something to the year plus of polling where Sanders

does essentially as well as Biden beating Trump. He has been on the stage for at least 4 years - so it is not that he is unknown. Like you, I would prefer Biden. Personally, I hope it does not come down to Bloomberg and Sanders. Fortunately, I will not face that choice. Vermont votes on SuperTuesday -- and in addition to the result likely being a strong Sanders win, my bigger choice will be to vote for Warren or Biden. (I doubt there is even a strategic reason to vote for either as VT will not be a big story.)

[Demsrule86]

91. I want Trump gone and Sanders wont win a general.Thus if Bloomberg has a chance...I

vote for him reluctantly.

[Demsrule86]

124. Not in the blue wall states...we are likely to lose a Senate seat in MI if Sanders if the nominee

and the house as well...wait until the GOP/Trump hell is unleashed...he will lose.

[karynnj]

130. Sanders actually won Michigan in the 2016 primary - easily

The only people I know well from Michigan are some young relatives who live in Michigan and a babyboomer doctor friend originally from New York State, completely independent from my relatives -- both claimed in 2016 that Sanders, unlike HRC, would have won the state.

Polling for Peters shows him narrowly ahead independent of who is at the top of the ticket. I have no idea how to test the ASSUMPTION that Sanders heading the ticket rather than Biden, Bloomberg or Buttigieg will cause fewer people to vote or fewer people to vote for Peters. I have read that conjecture, but none of the articles were backed by any convincing logic.The previous argument against Sanders was that he could not turn out the black, Hispanic or women voters.

[Demsrule86]

94. I wish that were true. We have an EC which he won't win.

[uponit7771]

177. Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most. We can stand

... behind the nominee all too a text book 100% that doesn't mean swing states will vote for him outside the MOE.

[karynnj]

183. Can you back that up with state level head to head polling or anything else?

All I am seeing is national polls which as we know can miss the big story.

[uponit7771]

185. Yes, look up Sanders Trump Michigan for instance and you'll get RCP avgs for that state

Biden has the beating Trump by the most in that state.

In other swing states (look it up on wiki for this years BG states) Sanders is losing or winning withing MOE

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html

[karynnj]

186. Thanks for the link - but when I go to all the potential candidates, Sanders is slightly better than

Biden, though the difference is completely insignificant. It is interesting that the Bernie-Trump numbers are trending up while the Biden ones are trending down - so it is possible that new points were added since you looked. Both - on average - are beating Trump by about 5 points. Here is the link to all of them - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

[uponit7771]

187. That's why I said historical because the same happened to Obama once he started winning he got

... a bounce but it settled BACK to pre-primary positions in swing states.

The pre primary position in swing states has Biden whooping Trumps ass better than any other candidate.

Obama had inspirational appeal ... AND ... a crashing economy in September.

Sanders has neither as of now.

[karynnj]

190. To some, Bernie is inspirational. Few say that Biden is -and the economy will not be worse with him

I think Biden would be a better President than he is a candidate - and he is a better person than he is a President or candidate. Given that my ideal candidate would be a 20 year younger John Kerry, I did listen to the case Kerry made for Biden. I agree that there is an advantage to someone who knows all the world leaders and could start repairing our country on the international stage day one. I watched many SFRC hearings when Biden was chair - and both Dick Lugar and John Kerry were far better using the committee and those testifying before it to get information. Kerry's recommendation, as someone who saw him first hand for years, suggests I was - and may still be - too negative in my thoughts on how he would manage the large team the President manages. However, to become President - he needs to win the nomination and he has often made mistakes.

I think - and hope - that the 2 billionaires will both under perform polling. I suspect that both Klobuchar and Buttigieg might have already peaked. If both those trends continue, Biden might get a lift in SC and - almost as importantly, Steyer , Buttigieg, and Klobuchar might have weaker than expected showings. Assume also that the surge Warren seems to have dissipates and she too is weakened. Imagine it comes out Biden, Sanders - then no one else viable Assume that Bloomberg is still not impressive in the Nevada debate. What would be the impact on Super Tuesday?

Sanders will likely be strongest, but maybe the moderates will mostly go to Biden. The question is whether too many delegates will have been pledged at that point for a move to consolidate support behind Biden. Note that there are MANY assumptions here - all in Biden's favor. Even so, it ends with all that not being enough. If Bernie gets over half the super Tuesday delegates, it might be impossible to stop him.

[ibegurpard]

28. maybe it's time for you to take a break then

[Demsrule86]

34. Maybe not...it is looking like Trump will win at the moment if Sanders is the candidate but hey this

is the third primary...I still think we will have someone else...hope we will...I vote blue no matter who.

[ucrdem]

38. We've gotten through worse.

Cheney-Dumbya I and II just about did us in but we pulled it out thanks to Obama-Biden. I don't think Bernie has a ghost of a chance in Nov. so I'll stick with Joe. Fortune is a fickle mistress and all that.

[Demsrule86]

95. No we haven't . Trump is the worst. And we will have a 6-3 court.

Trump is lawless. Consider his actions. I am not a dramatist, but I think our Republic will fall if Trump wins. And i believe a Sanders nomination will cost us the general.

[ucrdem]

157. Agree that's what it looks like but things are harder to break than they appear

Lets say Trump squeaks by Bernie, or Biden, with a little help from his friends, or has a blowout like Reagn or Nixon, and decides to get rid of Social Security for example. Could he do it? Well Dumbya couldn't and he and Cheney tried for 8 years. ACA I'm not sure would survive either Trump or Bernie and that's a damn shame. Still it would be hard to break without a plausible replacement and neither has one. But, yeah, things are looking a little scary ATM.

[Demsrule86]

161. Our only hope is to defeat Sanders for the nomination...field a candidate that can win and destroy

Trump.

[colsohlibgal]

39. Doubt It

If democrats prefer Trump to Sanders we’ll lose. That’s the only way that happens.

I don’t hear Sanders folks saying we’ll lose if Biden gets the nomination.

My thought is we need to go back to how things were from FDR till Reagan.

[Laelth]

41. We survived three years of Trump. We can survive another five, if need be.

It's not the end of the American experiment. I survived twelve years of Reagan and Bush. Were they bad times, politically? Yes, but pretty much every liberal advance in government that had been instituted by FDR and LBJ survived. I survived eight years of "Shrub" Bush. Those years also sucked, politically, but liberal America didn't collapse. It has been strangled and driven into significant debt by Republican tax cuts, true, but it hasn't collapsed.

Chill. America is not on the verge of abandoning liberal government. We will survive.

-Laelth

[Shermann]

47. Unless you have a pre-existing condition

Obamacare was one vote away from getting overturned. It won't be so lucky a second time.

[Laelth]

51. I doubt that the Republicans will be able to trash the ACA.

Even if they had the electoral power to do it, I don't think they would. Its principal provisions are just too popular with the American people.

And, welcome to DU.

-Laelth

[Demsrule86]

98. The ACA is gone if Trump wins.

[Polybius]

139. As it is now, it's not the same

The mandate is gone.

[DarthDem]

140. No, It Isn't

How?

[Hoyt]

79. They won't touch pre-existing conditions, too many GOPers are old and sick, and have grandkids.

I really think we got over that one in 2010.

[DangerousRhythm]

60. Supreme Court. All courts. The rule of law in general.

I wouldn’t chance it.

[Laelth]

62. I know. It sucks when they get to appont judges.

I didn't say it was a good thing, only that we would survive it. I don't see Trump's re-election as the end of the American experiment. Honestly, I don't see Trump being re-elected as more than 1% possible. I think that Daffy Duck could beat Trump in November, but we shall see what we see.

-Laelth

[rockfordfile]

74. I'm voting for the Democratic nominee.

[Demsrule86]

99. Me too...but I see little hope in a Sanders nomination. But I do have hope that

In the end Sanders is not the nominee.

[SDANation]

70. Wholeheartedly disagree

Trump is a walking constitutional crisis. He and his admin are systematically dismantling every institution we have. Sure you can survive but what about all those marginalized and minorities, particularly immigrants. He is pretty much working with the Russian govt, blatantly and doesn’t give a crap! Our courts can’t handle another 5 years. If god forbid RBG goes down, there goes all liberalism has worked so hard for. And if 5 years are up, what makes you think he will step down. He has flouted the constitution so far, and egregiously, you think he’s just gonna give it up willingly?

[Laelth]

73. Yep. I do.

Honestly, being President must be an awful job, and Trump is lazy.

But, who knows? We shall see what we see.

-Laelth

[rockfordfile]

75. No you're pushing right-wing crap

[Laelth]

76. I take offense at your questioning my motives. n/t

-Laelth

[uponit7771]

179. Based off what evidence?! Trumps willingness to walk out into 30 yrs of jail time if he wasn't ...

... president ?!

REALLY ?!

This is some shit here

[zackymilly]

106. Yes, but Supreme Court Justices are forever. n/t

[Demsrule86]

165. Trump is different...he is a fascist in the making and we have no way to stop him...even Reagan was

not as bad. And we lose the courts for a generation...the country lurches right and our party is finished for more than a few years.

[uponit7771]

178. You forgot about the "if you're white" part of your statement. Trump is taking brown peoples

... kids away from them by the thousands for legally seeking help in the US and is the inspiration of white supremacist in killing non whites en masse world wide.

Fuck that shit !!!

[Laelth]

189. That's a stain on American history, no doubt.

And I am ashamed that it was done in my name by the President of the United States, but it’s still not the end of the American experiment. The republic is not in jeopardy.

-Laelth

[Ace Rothstein]

42. I haven't seen this thread 100 other times this week.

[mdelaguna]

111. +1

[GanjaGrower]

50. Bloomberg or Biden are our only chance

Why can’t people understand this!

[Progressive dog]

53. With a lot of work, we might hold the house

but I doubt it. With Bernie at the top of the ticket money for advertising will dry up as will whatever help Putin is giving.

[Dream Girl]

54. Yay! People can be so fucking stupid.

[DangerousRhythm]

56. If we all work to get people to vote Dem...

...this won’t be our future.

Vote blue, no matter who! Our party differs greatly from the Republicans in that our politicians can still be shamed if they do wrong. I’m tired of all this doom and gloom. Get out the vote!

[dchill]

57. Any of our candidates CAN beat Trump.

One thing for sure, doom, gloom and defeatism are never constructive.

[Fiendish Thingy]

61. Like I said in another post, I'm more afraid that DU will go into terminal meltdown if Sanders wins

Than I am of Sanders losing in November.

If you really believe that a Sanders nomination means the end of America, then you should contact the local offices of all the other candidates, and plead with them to select one candidate, with the rest putting aside their egos, and dropping out NOW. That is the only mathematical way to prevent Sanders from going to the convention with the most delegates.

If you are staking your hopes on a moderate nominee selected at a brokered convention, you should consider the perspective of David Plouffe, Obama’s strategist, who has said if the Dems select as their nominee someone who doesn’t have the most delegates heading to the convention, it would take “a generation” for the party to recover.

America doesn’t have a generation- they have one week for all but one non-Bernie candidate to drop out, leaving the field clear for a head to head matchup, with the winner heading to the convention with a voter-earned majority of delegates.

If they don’t drop out, then the end of America is as much their fault as it would be Sanders’ (actually it would be all Trump and his enablers’ fault, but I don’t want to spoil a good finger-pointing orgy)

So, what are you waiting for? Pick up the phone and start calling! Convince Pete, Amy, Joe etc. To pick their “electable” moderate, and schedule press conferences tomorrow announcing the end of the rest of their campaigns...

[Demsrule86]

125. I would be delighted...delighted...If I though Sanders could win...I would be all in ...would have

been before now...but I look at the politics we face...he won't win the blue wall states...we live in a center left or right country....not sure which after Trump,and he will be destroyed by Trump ET AL ...branded as a socialist ...communist...take away you health care...etc. We may lose Virginia, Delaware...God knows how bad it will be. He has my vote but I work to save the house and try to get enough Senators elected to stop anymore Trump judges (very unlikely with Sanders at the top of the ticket).

[Fiendish Thingy]

131. We will all need to muster the courage to persist despite our worst fears

We don’t want our worst fears to become self-fulfilling prophecies- if we did in 2008, we would have gotten President McCain.

[uponit7771]

180. You think it will hugs and ham sandwiches around here if Sanders wins? Sanders is NOT Obama ...

... in the party and has no swing state appeal outside of MOE.

Sanders has to have Obama's walk over glass to vote for him appeal and a crashed economy to work ... he aint got either.

[donheld]

63. Your heart attack is precious

Your fatalistic attitude is far too funny. Bernie CAN win.

[Meadowoak]

72. Bernie will win. And we keep the house and win the Senate back!

[dhol82]

78. Keep dreaming.

[musette_sf]

80. Dream on

[Demsrule86]

126. Not in this lifetime...and your candidate will be seen as a spoiler and will be finished in

Democratic politics. Vote blue no matter who of course.

[Jakra]

65. Most likely true

Sanders would carry the coasts minus FL where Trump will win handily but Sanders most likely gets crushed especially in PA. House majority probably lost and we probably lose some winnable races in the Senate like AZ.

[juliuswest]

66. Ok Chris Matthews

[Olafjoy]

67. I'm in AZ

Sanders at the top of the Dem ticket, Mark loses. 100%.

[Bradshaw3]

69. I'm in AZ

Mark Kelley wins. 100 percent. Man, this is fun. My predictions are just as good as yours.

[Demsrule86]

132. Not really, you want it to be that way but a purple at best state that has never gone for the

Democrats but one time in 18...when four moderates won the house as well...will not go for a perceived socialist...and Kelley loses most down ballot will.

[Vivienne235729]

71. Sadly, I feel the same. I hope we are wrong.

[Vogon_Glory]

81. It's Still A Long Way Until The National Convention

I'm not ready to concede our party's presidential nomination to Bernie Sanders. Nor am I quite ready to assume that Thump will be inaugurated for a second term next January.

This might sound like a "The horse may learn to sing" reply, but I see no reason to give up hope quite yet.

Besides, for all we know, the buns for the Fatal Cheeseburger of Doom have yet to be baked.

[helpisontheway]

82. Guaranteed..I'm not going to worry about it. Let the Bernie cult live with it. nt

[zackymilly]

108. We will all have to live with it. n/t

[doc03]

83. This all I can say about November

[guillaumeb]

84. Pessimism is close to defeatism.

And the GOP depends on voters to see Trump as inevitable and unbeatable.

[nancy1942]

88. How about realism??

It would be nice in the equation.

[guillaumeb]

119. Who defines what is realistic?

If we accept defeat 3 states into an overlong primary, Putin succeeds.

[Demsrule86]

133. Political reality is based on the numbers...Sanders won't win blue wall states and has no

coattails...have you looked at the Senate, the State houses and governorships? Have you considered who took back the house for us...it was moderates....running left in our presidential nominee all but guarantees a huge loss for us. We could end up losing the House and not gaining the presidency or the senate...we could also lose important state races which in a census years means more gerrymandering. In short, this would be the worst disaster our party has ever endured. And God help the Republic with four more years of an unstoppable Trump.

[keithbvadu2]

85. Trump/Russia want Sanders to be the one they run against.

Trump/Russia want Sanders to be the one they run against.

[colsohlibgal]

87. Misplaced Panic

Heard much of the same panic from middle stream Dems when Obama was nominated. All is lost a person of color can’t win. Well he won and won comfortably. And that was against a sane opponent.

We should be one big tent, no?

There are way more millennials than any other group now and they are not bothered by the term Democratic Socialism. I am considerably older but not bothered by it either.It’s largely how we operated from FDR to Reagan. It just means a more fair sharing of the pie.

Millennials , Hispanics, and people of color will show up big time for Sanders, way more than what a moderate Dem can pluck from Republicans.

The only way we lose is if Moderates stay home or God forbid vote for Twitler.

Trump is an existential threat to America and the world. Bernie is not. The youngsters drove the blue tsunami in 2018 and I agree with Glenn Kirchner who thinks the young generation will drive a wave that will top that one.

[Shermann]

105. The insane opponent is the one to watch out for

Trump's base is rabid. Bernie's base has that to a degree as well (although not quite as much mouth frothing).

[budkin]

90. No way, Bernie will obliterate Trump

Specifically because many Trump voters will cross back over to support him.

[Shermann]

107. I'm not so sure

I think Bloomberg as a former Republican can probably make a stronger case for the crossover vote.

[OliverQ]

117. What crossover vote?

Republicans are going to vote for Trump, not Bloomberg. And Bloomberg will lose the entire youth vote and probably the Latino vote, the women vote, and a large portion of the black vote.

[Shermann]

120. That's mostly true

The number of 2016 Trump voters who are disgruntled and have at least crossed over to "undecided" may be significant, though. Especially in a close election.

[5X]

102. why don't you work for a candidate instead of against one?

[DiverDave]

104. Chicken little much?

You sure seem determined to vote for the rich and corporations.
So, if Sanders is the nominee are you staying home?
Or will you just vote trump, not much difference from biden

[Delmoniko]

110. I'm voting 🗳 for whoever is the nominee

Vote blue no matter who and I’m not going to listen to anyone excuses to why this or that nominee I really don’t care 🤷?♀️ I just want trump gone and take this great country back on track.

[Squinch]

113. You are absolutely correct.

[Eyeball_Kid]

114. Nope.

If the "American experiment" ends, it won't be because of Sanders or his presumed nomination.

It will be due to the takeover of the electoral system by fascists.

Trump is getting help from international forces to skew the election. That's for certain. He's going to rig the election, or he's going to cancel the election. He can't win otherwise.

But let's digress a bit. At THIS STAGE in the eternal campaign season, we are choosing a Democratic nominee. We aren't in the general election mode just yet. Let's stop with this nonsense that candidate a, b, or c will lose big to Trump because, blah, blah. When the general campaign comes around, we'll be shouting "anybody but Trump." THAT will be the intended slogan, dressed up in many forms. It won't matter WHO is the nominee because it won't be Trump.

We also should know that there is NO Democratic candidate who is immune from Trump's negative campaigning. The Dems could nominate the Virgin Mary, and Trump would trash her every day, every hour, with every tweet. We should also know that the media will treat EVERY slur and libelous allegation as if it's the first time Trump has ever done so, with all of the presidential credibility that their myth-building can muster. It is incumbent upon the electorate that we acknowledge that Trump will slur and libel because his lies, so far, have worked, and he'll continue to lie. We should acknowledge this because it's the first step in demystifying Trump's lies and his power. Democratic candidates should be talking openly about Trump's ability to manipulate, and how he does it.

Trump's power increases when the media, and the voting public, tacitly accepts Trump's lies as credible, when EVERYTHING Trump says is a lie. When segments of the media are critical of Trump, they need to expose and "deconstruct" the mechanics of Trump's manipulation. This is critical. Otherwise, Trump will continue to use his mystification process to destroy everyone and everything in his way. The critical part of the media needs to address HOW Trump is manipulating the public, and they need to do it over and over.

How many times in the past week have we heard the electronic media report that Trump is lying and distorting information to benefit himself, and HOW HE DOES IT? As a frequent viewer, I can say, with confidence, that it just doesn't happen. Why is that? Why are we amazed when Bloomberg buys and publishes an ad calling Trump a liar, as if it's a breath of fresh air? That message should be saturating the air waves by ALL CANDIDATES. Instead, the entire body of the Democratic message machine is hand-wringing and pissing their pants because the Dems might choose the "wrong candidate" to beat Trump. Nonsense. What's wrong is that candidates aren't deconstructing Trump's bullying and lies-- not just calling them out, but deconstructing the lies to tell us HOW we're being manipulated. Democratic Party operatives should be getting on the air and telling viewers how closely Trump's tactics and strategy are paralleling HITLER'S playbook for a fascist takeover. That's the damned truth. And who's telling that truth? People who are criticized as being extreme, as being histrionic.

It's not time to be nice. Trump is taking over all aspects of governing, and we're told to be nice. We must expect that Democratic candidates be measured and genteel, that mentioning "Trump" and "Hitler" in the same sentence is a bridge too far, while Trump is truly "deconstructing the Administrative state." Trump is destroying the US Constitution and making HIMSELF the Constitution.

Mentioning "Trump" and "Hitler" in the same sentence is speaking Truth to Power.

Do we understand this, or are we to wait until a media celebrity comes up with an insight?

[Gothmog]

118. sanders would kill down ballot candidates

Link to tweet

[EveHammond13]

127. correct. start accepting it.

[Gore1FL]

146. Not to be a dick, but how well did your predictions go in other elections?

Everyone on DU seems to have soothsayer abilities that I lack.

[jaysunb]

150. Past is prologue. 1972. n/t

[Gore1FL]

163. I can list dates, too.

1988 Gotta Go with Dukakis becasue he is electable. Also we need Lloyd Bentsen to attract moderates.
2000 Gotta run from Clinton to attract moderates. Let's get Lieberman to seal the deal with moderates.
2004 Kerry is the most electable. We should include John Edwards on the Ballot to attract moderates.
2016 Clinton is the most electable. We should include Kaine on the ticket to attract republicans who don't like Trump.

And also:
2008 We cannot nominate Obama. He cannot be elected.

What wins elections is excitement. I'm really tired of hearing the same go-to-the-center and electability arguments I've been hearing since 1988; they are conservative talking points; they are always wrong.

[jaysunb]

167. Oaky dokey

Obviously you don't understand the parallel of 1972 and 2020. I suppose having lived through that teachable time, I have a different understanding.

[Gore1FL]

168. I lived through it, too. A lot has changed in 50 years.

Please enumerate the parallels of which you speak and let's look at them together through the lens of the half-century that has passed.

[jaysunb]

169. Sorry, the dynamics are almost identical. Nt

[Gore1FL]

170. Almost identical....

The Vietnam war is raging. College is affordable. The top tax rate is 70%. The country is investing in science and technology. We lead the world with a booming middle class.

Yep, almost identical...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

153. LOL!! Good one!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Cha]

172. Kicking

[markpkessinger]

182. There comes a point when all this doom and gloom ...

... becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Is that really what you want?

[Cicada]

184. Relax, the cavalry is coming

Trump may win, the House May flip, but those will be brief setbacks. Trump’s biggest generational advantage is with the soon to die age group. He won them by five percentage points. Among the youngest 40% of those eligible to vote Dems are favored over Repubs by almost two to one, almost a 30% advantage That generational margin exceeds the size any other in history by a mile. Pew tracking over many years shows zero tendency to get more conservative with age. As the young get older and vote in higher percentages the Republican Party will cease to be a national party. What happened in California is exactly what is soon going to happen in the US as a whole. There will be conservative judges with life tenures but FDR faced the same problem yet he prevailed. Soon we will be a mighty force trying to protect the environment. Soon we will have universal affordable health insurance. Soon child care will be more affordable. Soon women will have nearby clinics giving them reproductive rights. Big money political donors won’t be able to buy the government. Yes, we are in the dark. But soon the sun will rise.

[treestar]

188. It is too soon to declare Bernie the winner

The pundits have little to talk about in the meantime and we let them lead us by the nose.

Last week it was all Bloomberg.

There are so many candidates running that no one knows what will happen.