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juliuswest

(57 posts)
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 08:57 PM Feb 2020

Chris Matthews: Democratic Establishment Would Prefer Trump to Bernie Sanders

During mid-afternoon coverage of the Nevada caucus, the MSNBC host suggested Democratic Party elites would prefer to see President Donald Trump beat Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the 2020 frontrunner who overwhelmed his competition with a blowout win in Saturday’s contest.

“I’m wondering if the Democratic moderates want Bernie Sanders to be President?” Matthews asked out loud during a discussion with Politico’s Elena Schneider. “I mean, that’s maybe too exciting a question to raise–they don’t like Trump at all. Do they want Bernie Sanders to take over the Democratic Party in perpetuity?”

Another on-air guest essayed a “Well–” but he was quickly cut-off by the loud-speaking Hardball host.

“I mean, he takes it over, he sets the direction of the future of the party,” Matthews continued. “Maybe they’d rather wait four years and put in the Democrat that they like.”


Matthews, not quite finished, later compared Sanders’ crushing victory in Nevada–and prospect of winning the nomination–to the fall of the French army at the Maginot Line during World War II. Or, in simpler terms–he compared the Jewish presidential candidate’s win to the triumph of Nazism over the Third French Republic.


https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/chris-matthews-democratic-establishment-would-prefer-trump-to-bernie-sanders

Edit: Added Chris Matthews to title (which is the original title from article)
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Chris Matthews: Democratic Establishment Would Prefer Trump to Bernie Sanders (Original Post) juliuswest Feb 2020 OP
according to matthews? elleng Feb 2020 #1
you should fix the title, otherwise it sounds like YOU are saying this Celerity Feb 2020 #2
Didn't realize I left out Chris Matthews, added it juliuswest Feb 2020 #34
all good m8!!! Celerity Feb 2020 #36
Oh please . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #3
your headline is a erroneous. you should fix it to say what was really s aid... msongs Feb 2020 #4
He won't get anything done Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #5
Democratic Establishment? bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #6
Everything is going to be alright. one of our candidates will be the next POTUS Kurt V. Feb 2020 #7
Tweety is an a$$hole CentralMass Feb 2020 #8
"Tweety is an a$$hole." LenaBaby61 Feb 2020 #9
Tweety is an a$$hole Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #17
He's completely lost whatever was left of his mind. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #13
Agree SharonClark Feb 2020 #16
How about none of the above. democratisphere Feb 2020 #10
That's the goddamned stupidest thing I've ever heard. njhoneybadger Feb 2020 #11
He was concerned Bernie might start executing people in Central Park. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #12
It's time for him to get the hook! hedda_foil Feb 2020 #14
Who Faux pas Feb 2020 #15
Fuck Chris (I voted for bush) Mathews still_one Feb 2020 #18
I'd be all for letting him get his ass kicked in 35+ states MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #19
You realize reps said that about Trump 4 years ago? mgcgulfcoast Feb 2020 #31
Your story. Hope you're right, MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #32
This is the ultimate political hypothetical I told you so juliuswest Feb 2020 #37
You're basing this on what? OliverQ Feb 2020 #35
Oh i don't know, call it an educated guess. MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #38
Let's see: OliverQ Feb 2020 #39
Quick, name all the democratic socialists elected president? MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #40
Basically 1930 to the late 1960s OliverQ Feb 2020 #41
I think it's just about time to organize a boycott of Matthews' sponsors Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #20
Way past time for Mathews to fade into the sunset but PufPuf23 Feb 2020 #21
Tweety proves, yet again, why Joy Reid would be a better fit for that time slot. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #22
I just don't believe the Democratic establishment would go that far. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #23
I'm a Democrat and I will support the Nominee. Trump is a traitor rockfordfile Feb 2020 #24
We need base plus. Corgigal Feb 2020 #25
Matthews is full of it. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #26
This is my concern democrattotheend Feb 2020 #27
This is exactly the history that should be studied juliuswest Feb 2020 #30
Welcome to DU democrattotheend Feb 2020 #43
Sanders is a threat to their wealth, infrastructure and power so Matthews may be right. LonePirate Feb 2020 #28
How stupid is that from Matthews? mgcgulfcoast Feb 2020 #29
Somebody needs to get that dude some shampoo. Looks like his head has been up his ass again. Afromania Feb 2020 #33
Oh look, it's another millionaire scared of Bernie Sanders Bucky Feb 2020 #42
Nah. Nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #44
Breaking: Chris Matthews ate his own brain. And nobody noticed a difference. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #45
 

elleng

(141,926 posts)
1. according to matthews?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 08:59 PM
Feb 2020

and YOU?

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Celerity

(54,732 posts)
2. you should fix the title, otherwise it sounds like YOU are saying this
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 08:59 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

juliuswest

(57 posts)
34. Didn't realize I left out Chris Matthews, added it
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:37 PM
Feb 2020

Thanks for pointing that out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(54,732 posts)
36. all good m8!!!
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Oh please . . .
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 08:59 PM
Feb 2020

The Democratic Party will back the nominee, geez whiz.

Damn

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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msongs

(73,973 posts)
4. your headline is a erroneous. you should fix it to say what was really s aid...
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 08:59 PM
Feb 2020

MSNBC pundits say... as much as bernie hates the democratic partyestablishment that headline does not serve the truth

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,542 posts)
5. He won't get anything done
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:00 PM
Feb 2020

How in the hell is this not sinking into some of these Sander's revolutionaries?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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bucolic_frolic

(55,518 posts)
6. Democratic Establishment?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:01 PM
Feb 2020

A subsidiary of Trump, Inc.?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
7. Everything is going to be alright. one of our candidates will be the next POTUS
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:03 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CentralMass

(16,993 posts)
8. Tweety is an a$$hole
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:03 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
9. "Tweety is an a$$hole."
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:05 PM
Feb 2020

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
17. Tweety is an a$$hole
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

What did he say this time?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. He's completely lost whatever was left of his mind.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020

Seriously, that rant is beyond unhinged. He should be fired.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
10. How about none of the above.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:07 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

njhoneybadger

(3,911 posts)
11. That's the goddamned stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:07 PM
Feb 2020

Fuck off Matthews

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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BlueTsunami2018

(5,025 posts)
12. He was concerned Bernie might start executing people in Central Park.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:08 PM
Feb 2020

It’s kind of hard to take him seriously on this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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hedda_foil

(16,999 posts)
14. It's time for him to get the hook!
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

He's way past his well date. The fear of commies is strong with him. He's still hiding under his desk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Faux pas

(16,469 posts)
15. Who
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

cares what mattews says?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
18. Fuck Chris (I voted for bush) Mathews
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:19 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MontanaFarmer

(761 posts)
19. I'd be all for letting him get his ass kicked in 35+ states
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:30 PM
Feb 2020

by trump, if i didn't feel that our very democracy was at stake. And before you jump all over me, Sanders folks, I'll vote and donate to him. But he's going to get destroyed if he's the nominee. Likely costs us the house for 2 years, likely solidifies the court in conservative hands for 20 years, and gives carte blanche to this regime for 2 more years. I hope I'm wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mgcgulfcoast

(1,127 posts)
31. You realize reps said that about Trump 4 years ago?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders would have beaten Trump in 2016 and he is the most likely to beat him now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MontanaFarmer

(761 posts)
32. Your story. Hope you're right,
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:16 PM
Feb 2020

nearly certain you're not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

juliuswest

(57 posts)
37. This is the ultimate political hypothetical I told you so
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:42 PM
Feb 2020

He may win the nomination and lose the election just like Clinton, we won't know until it happens. I hope we win not to be able to say those who supported Sanders in 2016 were right this whole time, but so we can move closer to the goals of his policy proposals, replace RBG with a liberal justice, etc etc

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
35. You're basing this on what?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:40 PM
Feb 2020

People said Trump would get destroyed too. How did that work out?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MontanaFarmer

(761 posts)
38. Oh i don't know, call it an educated guess.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:44 PM
Feb 2020

I hope I'm wrong. But the blue wave that rose from the ashes of 2016 was carried on the backs of moderate candidates in swing districts, not socialists, democratic or otherwise. Go ask conor lamb, abigail spanberger, or even mark Kelly who they'd like at the top of the ticket. This isn't just me talking out of my rear end.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
39. Let's see:
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:49 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie is dominating the youth vote by massive margins. They were the largest voting block in 2018, and millions and millions more have reached 18 since then. He's by far the top choice among Hispanics, which make up a sizable portion of the electorate, especially in states like Nevada, Arizona, California, Texas, New Mexico, Florida, etc. Polling shows him beating Trump by 18 among independents. He does quite well with African Americans, maybe not #1 yet, but I believe he's #2. He's the only candidate who has been able to outreach with non-typical Democratic voters. Biden told a more conservative voter to go vote for Trump. Bernie hired him on his campaign.

And nobody in the race is filling stadiums with tens of thousands of people or generating the enthusiasm we saw with Obama like Bernie is.

Maybe it requires a populist to beat another populist. No Centrist has won the General election this century. We tried the Biden/Klobuchar/Buttigieg approach numerous times in recent elections, and they all failed. Maybe we should try something different?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MontanaFarmer

(761 posts)
40. Quick, name all the democratic socialists elected president?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:54 PM
Feb 2020

And before you use the example of 2016 being "the moderate way" failing, remember she got screwed by Sanders, comey, the FBI in NY, and of course Russia, and still got 3 million more votes while losing by 80k combined in 3 states. Poor example. Kerry? Fine. Gore? Robbed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
41. Basically 1930 to the late 1960s
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:59 PM
Feb 2020

were dominated by Socialist policies. FDR's New Deal was viewed as Socialist and akin to something out of the Soviet Union.

Bernie actually polls better as a Socialist than he does as a Democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Fiendish Thingy

(23,597 posts)
20. I think it's just about time to organize a boycott of Matthews' sponsors
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:33 PM
Feb 2020

If we can do it to Fox RWNJ’s, we can do it for someone who is supposed to be on our side, but continues to spew divisive nonsense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PufPuf23

(9,903 posts)
21. Way past time for Mathews to fade into the sunset but
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:38 PM
Feb 2020

he probably correct about some of the Democratic leadership.

Mathews is a prime example that none of the MSM flavors support other than government by mega corporations and the wealthy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Vivienne235729

(3,748 posts)
22. Tweety proves, yet again, why Joy Reid would be a better fit for that time slot.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
23. I just don't believe the Democratic establishment would go that far.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:48 PM
Feb 2020

It's evident they don't like Sanders and they're fighting his nomination but Chris Matthews can speak for himself. Who listens to that guy anyway?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rockfordfile

(8,742 posts)
24. I'm a Democrat and I will support the Nominee. Trump is a traitor
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Corgigal

(9,298 posts)
25. We need base plus.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:57 PM
Feb 2020

Only in about 6 states. Nothing else matters. Chris Matthews can retire now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,960 posts)
26. Matthews is full of it.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:58 PM
Feb 2020

Nobody is worse than Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
27. This is my concern
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:02 PM
Feb 2020

I wasn't alive in 1972, but as a poly sci major I studied all of the elections since FDR fairly extensively, and from what I recall, one of the reasons McGovern lost so big was that much of the party establishment went through the motions of supporting him but sat on their hands and let him fall, especially when it looked like he was going to lose. I'm worried about a similar phenomenon if Bernie gets the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

juliuswest

(57 posts)
30. This is exactly the history that should be studied
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

Place Trump as Nixon and Sanders as McGovern and there you go. There are a ton of differences from 1972 to 2020, almost fifty years later. The networks do not have a fraction of the dominant influence they had, i'm paraphrasing from msnbc earlier today, but they referenced Lyndon B. Johnson saying he lost after Walter Cronkite stopped supporting him. Sanders doesn't necessarily need the support of the democratic establishment to win, or at least their enthusiastic support. With the grassroots organizing and consistent donations from his supporters he may be able to make up that party deficit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
43. Welcome to DU
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:08 PM
Feb 2020

I understand what you are saying, but I disagree that the Democratic establishment doesn't matter. Even if Bernie can win without establishment support, which is questionable, he'll still need support from the establishment to pass any of his agenda. He's being short-sighted pissing everyone off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LonePirate

(14,376 posts)
28. Sanders is a threat to their wealth, infrastructure and power so Matthews may be right.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:05 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mgcgulfcoast

(1,127 posts)
29. How stupid is that from Matthews?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:09 PM
Feb 2020

The more the media and dem bigwigs like Carville rip on Sanders the more my support level for Sanders goes up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Afromania

(2,809 posts)
33. Somebody needs to get that dude some shampoo. Looks like his head has been up his ass again.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 10:27 PM
Feb 2020

Any fucking body that wants trump over anybody can go to hell at this point. Matthews is projecting because, tbh, I think his sorry ass wants trump in there again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
42. Oh look, it's another millionaire scared of Bernie Sanders
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:00 PM
Feb 2020

What a fatuous twit

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
45. Breaking: Chris Matthews ate his own brain. And nobody noticed a difference.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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