I don't get all the negative posts about Bernie.

[kacekwl]

This is the Democratic primaries and like it or not this is the way it's done. Isn't letting voters decide what we have been asking for ? I certainly would like my chosen candidate to win but unless someone shows me something is amiss here then we have to let it play out. It's still early and whomever becomes the nominee will have to work within the party to put forth their agenda. If we continue to work to get out the vote then we will beat Trump. If we continue to look defeated and disappointed with our candidates how do we expect voters to be enthused.

[LovingA2andMI]

1. Our Senator, who is a great Senator, Loses.....

With Nominee Sanders. That is the way it is.

[Lordquinton]

84. Based on...

Haven't seen anything other than personal opinion, and it always flies in the face of all facts.

[LovingA2andMI]

114. Our Knowledge...

We live here. Do you?

[KPN]

107. Bernie won the MI primary in 2016. Are you

saying turnout will be lower?

What are your facts that you base this on?

[LovingA2andMI]

113. This is not 2016

And facts like that.

[KPN]

124. One of my sisters lives there. She doesn't share your view.

[LovingA2andMI]

125. Um Uh....

n/t

[apcalc]

3. I always vote for Democrats.

I consider Mr Sanders a Democrat of convenience , when it suits his needs, and he disparages my party quite often.

I am the Democratic establishment.

[musette_sf]

7. same

[Big Blue Marble]

8. You will, I will.

Many will not. That is a fact. We will lose the House and the Senate.
Many will stay home and we will lose our Republic. We will be done.

[MontanaMama]

54. +1.

He disparages the party daily.

[DemocracyMouse]

79. For good reason! We've drifted so far right most Democrats grew up with no comprehension of what...

a good infrastructure looks like.

Bernie's just honest about the problems in both parties. That's why more and more people love and trust him.

Improve the Democratic party. Don't shoot the messenger. Bring back the TRADITIONAL Democratic values. That's what Bernie represents ☀️. With the exception of Warren, so many Dems have shifted towards a pro-corporate agenda. Don't get me started on Bloomberg whose economic policies drove me and most of my neighbors out of NYC. And it wasn't slow growth "gentrification." It was leveraged development dumping on a massive scale.

[AverageJoe]

83. This!

I’m old enough to remember when Democrats were Democrats. I don’t sweat the small stuff, like what label someone calls themself. I support old school Democratic values. That’s why I support Sanders.

[dawg day]

95. He really doesn't have to alienate us--

He could be polite and not diss the very people who wear out their shoe leather and donate their $ not just this year but year after year.

His impulsivity could be moderated to great effect. There is simply no reason to make loyal democrats feel estranged from him.

The Sanders supporters here could send that message to his campaign.

[AverageJoe]

99. I have been a loyal Democrat since ever I cast my first vote

in 1980. I have always voted for the party’s nominee. There are a lot of people like me who supported Sanders in 2016 and still do today.

Sanders is not talking about rank and file Democrats. If you’ll look at the polls, you’ll see that most party members not on DU understand that. Just the opposite, in fact. He has built a broad and deep coalition of committed Democrats who appreciate his pre-Reagan, pre-Third Way Democratic values.

The race isn’t over. Some other candidate may still catch fire and win the nomination. Whoever wins will have my vote and enthusiastic support. Should that happen, I am certain that person would likewise have Sanders’s support.

Like the vast majority of Sanders’s 2016 supporters, I voted for HRC in the general election. Sanders participated in 40 rallies in support of her run for the White House. We are all in this together.

[dawg day]

118. Well, he could make it easier on everyone by just, well, being nicer-

And dropping the resentment and putting the chip on his shoulder into his pocket. The enemy is not "establishment Democrats," and we shouldn't be put in the same category as Republicans.

If Sanders gets the nomination, he will need all Democrats, even/especially "the establishment," whoever he means by that, to get out and work crazy hard and vote to counteract the Russian crookedness and Trump's vicious calumny. This would be a good time to make us all feel more enthusiastic about that, instead of making us wonder, "Does he mean ME? My state chairperson? His fellow Democratic senators? Who is it he's angry with?"

[tecelote]

92. +1!

[dansolo]

111. The problem ultimately is not getting enough things done for the people

How exactly is Bernie planning to remedy this? Republicans won't vote for his agenda. The Democratic Establishment that he rails against won't vote for it either. Not that it matters, because we probably won't have control of Congress. The best case scenario is 4 more years of yelling and nasty tweets. Nothing more.

[DemocracyMouse]

130. And you wonder why Sanders is heated sometimes?

All the sniping at his progressive, all-America agenda

[denverbill]

121. +1

[catsudon]

69. in the end

if my choices was trump or a piece of poo....

the poo gets my vote and it does not have to be a democrat....

[Steven Maurer]

96. This is my take as well

I have never before in my life actually ever disliked a Democrat or Democratic ally, until Sanders. But that is nothing compared to Trump.

[MontanaMama]

80. He is a Democrat of convenience.

It isn’t inflammatory. It’s TRUE.

[Bluepinky]

127. That he calls himself a Democratic Socialist or an Independent is only a label.

Look at what he believes in and fights for. I don’t care what label he chooses to use. His beliefs are what the Democratic Party was founded on. And some of his criticisms of the modern day party are valid.

Trump et al have commandeered the label of Republican Party, but if you look at what they now believe in, they should call themselves Fascists, not Republicans.

[Lordquinton]

85. What does that mean?

You'll support him as the Dem candidate, right?

[Skidmore]

103. I don't

trust him. He has demonstrated little loyalty to any group except for the NRA. I also do not like that he staffed his campaign with Stein supporters, among others. I don't like that he demonstrates little concern for down ticket Democrats as he campaigns. I don't think he will be able to deliver anything because of it. He is not a team player. He a user.

[Doitnow]

94. Anyone in this country is supposed to be allowed to express their opinion and

run for President. If Bernie ran as a third party, you'd all be in a fit about that. Apparently a lot of people like what he has to say. We are close to being a fascist country. This nasty talk about Bernie in so many DU columns is awful. If the majority of people didn't like him, they wouldn't be supporting him. He's passed the test of time. Period. If you claim to be a Democrat, start acting like one. Bernie is trying to remind us all what it is like.

I bet I get a nasty comment on this. A real torrent, in fact.

[Alliepoo]

128. Yep!

[Nanjeanne]

4. Well lots of DU posters have magic 8 balls so they know exactly what will happen

if the actual voters choose Sanders.

[Big Blue Marble]

10. A magic 8 ball is not necessary.

Putin has picked Sanders for a reason. He is the easiest for Trump to beat.
Kiss the House and Senate goodbye.... and oh our Republic as well.

[juliuswest]

28. You're just helping Trump with this commentary

Why push this narrative? What if Sanders wins the nomination, will you still tell everybody this is exactly what Putin wanted?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Yes... people should realize that such divisiveness only helps tRumpty Dumbty!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[NoDakLinda]

42. First they need to beat Bernie,

which they haven't yet. Then they can go after Trump, who has his party solidly behind him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Exactly, you'd think candidates who have yet to beat Bernie in a single state

would hold off declaring themselves as inevitable and capable of defeating the Fascist-in-Chief.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Codeine]

132. Last time Trump had you solidly behind him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=584339

[JudyM]

43. There may be other possibilities, such as his goal to sow discord among Dems, which is what looks

just as likely, if not more.

[Skittles]

71. Magic 8 ball not needed to see the glaringly obvious

[blue-wave]

91. Like these voters that chose Sanders and then voted for

Trump in the general election, effectively giving Trump the electoral votes he needed to win? Read the article in the link for the truth.

"Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election."

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

And oh, notice the "I" next to Bernie's name. Certainly doesn't look like a "D" to me.

[W_HAMILTON]

5. Haven't you been paying attention to what he and his supporters have been saying about us Democrats?

Gee, I wonder why many of us don't like the man.

[kacekwl]

19. I have been paying attention and

I would rather Bernie not be the nominee but he's getting the votes. Isn't that the process ?

[W_HAMILTON]

20. The process is playing out as we speak.

I believe even after the results tonight, Sanders will be behind his delegate count after IA/NH/NV in 2016 -- where he lost the nomination handily -- but sure, let's all go ahead and coronate the man already after three states!

[juliuswest]

30. Coronate the man, reminds me of how I used to speak of Clinton in 2016

She barely won Nevada in 2016, Sanders seems to have won a commanding victory tonight. That may be because it was a two person race and now its not, put Clinton in now and you might see her with the commanding victory, who knows.

[W_HAMILTON]

33. Hillary won a majority of the vote in Nevada.

Sanders almost assuredly will not win a majority of the vote in Nevada tonight.

[juliuswest]

37. She wouldn't win the majority this election with four more candidates

Not a fair comparison

[W_HAMILTON]

40. The only reason you have so many candidates in the race now...

...is because no one could hold a candle to her as a candidate in 2016 and now everyone and their mother thinks they have a shot at winning it because none of these candidates are as formidable as she was.

[womanofthehills]

48. With 27% reporting - Bernie has 46.6%

Biden in second place with 22.8 %

[emmaverybo]

44. He's got some votes in three caucuses. That's it! And MSM/pundits and supporters have gone

mad with his inevitability. But just to bring some balance to that idea, Biden was a frontrunner for
close to a year. This whole thing is just beginning.

Bernie did not do, so far, better in Nevada than in 2016. So is he bringing new voters? And Bernie
is in a lane by himself at this point, whereas Biden had five competitors.

There will be serious voter reservations about Bernie in swing states, where Biden is still considered, according to polling, the most likely to best Trump.

Biden also did better with AA voters in Nevada than Bernie, and again, that’s with splitting the vote.

That’s also with Biden being vetted and Bernie not yet.

And there are still several other candidates to consider other than Bernie’s second in Nevada, the first state that resembles the rest of America, but still, a caucus.

[oasis]

102. 100% THIS

^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^

[msongs]

6. dont ya know the entire democratic establishment is out to get him

obama, biden, liz, pete, kamala, all out to block him

[denverbill]

9. DU is not a progressive/liberal website. It's a Democratic website. n/t

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Interesting isn't it?

We are more liberal than the base. If we are not enthusiastic about Sanders, what do you think that
poorly informed voter in PA will think about Sanders when Trump tells him about Sander's declared
position as a socialist?

[apcalc]

15. Yes we are more liberal. PA , my state, will not vote for a Socialist.

Kiss it goodbye.

[womanofthehills]

49. You are wrong - Bernie is up + 4 in latest poll against Trump in PA

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. What's with the facts? They help make the case for Bernie & defeats the whole purpose of bashin him!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[redstateblues]

73. Just wait until Bernie's past comes into focus.

Those numbers will plunge. It gonna be ugly

[apcalc]

109. You may be right , but also not.

You are making an assumption that people tell pollsters what is true. They used to. No more.

[juliuswest]

32. It seems that voters in Nevada who identify as moderate/conservative

Voted for Bernie Sanders over Biden, at least from MSNBC (it was like 24% to 22%). They attributed it to his overwhelming support from the Hispanic community and African American who mostly identify that way.

[emmaverybo]

47. That's a two percent difference. Biden got more AA votes, despite splitting with five others.

Let’s see in S.C. Bernie is getting lots of press, but with that comes greater scrutiny.

[highplainsdem]

16. It's a progressive/liberal website. Sanders is a socialist and has called himself a socialist for

most of his life.

He's joined the Democratic Party only for short periods, and criticized the Democratic Party entirely too much.

[juliuswest]

35. He can't run as an independent and have a chance in the GE

The last candidate to come close to winning was ex-President Teddy Roosevelt when he ran as a Whig (correct me if i'm wrong here). And the democratic party doesn't want him running as an independent, hoping like most fringe primary candidates he'd eventually fad away.

[Laelth]

39. Bull Moose. n/t

-Laelth

[PufPuf23]

46. Ironic that Sanders is the Democratic candidate most like FDR

in policy. Sanders has also never favored the neoliberalism favored by most Democratic leadership after Carter.

Sanders proposals essentially calls for an enactment of FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights:

The Second Bill of Rights was proposed by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on Tuesday, January 11, 1944.[1] In his address, Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt argued that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness". His remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" to guarantee these specific rights:

Employment (right to work)

Food, clothing and leisure with enough income to support them

Farmers' rights to a fair income

Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies

Housing

Medical care

Social security

Education

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

[emmaverybo]

51. Aside from his proposals, there is the man himself. He will be challenged on his accomplishments

vs. those of his competitors. He will eventually have to show what makes him our best candidate to lead the American people, to lead a superpower among superpowers, to lead internationally, and to be the leader of the free world.

Since voters in some states we need to win do not favor his proposals and in any case, that is all they are, not what he has done, but just what he has promised, he does have to show some other cred.

Some see the first test of leadership being an opportunity to disclose that the Russians are trying to help him and, in view of a recent heart attack, to disclose more details about his condition or any others than heart health. Some feel he has failed that test.

[PufPuf23]

57. Sanders is not my candidate, Warren is but I am worried about her viability now and

also like her in the Senate (or as VP or Cabinet). Smart person growing as a leader.

Many folks want FDR's vision but few pols are willing to go there.

This most recent disclosure of Russian election interference to favor Sanders appears forced to me; a twofer in that the support for Sanders is not real but Russian-backed and an opportunity to slur Sanders for lack of disclosure. To think that Sanders was the only pol told or otherwise made aware of current Russian election psyops and other manipulations is crazy talk and is just as likely GOP BS.

I would rather have a younger and healthier POTUS than Sanders (I am a senior myself) but he has provided health records that some could say he failed to deliver. Looks just as likely to be GOP BS to me as well.

What I really don't understand are the Democrats so willing to jump in to support Bloomberg. Ye gads.

[emmaverybo]

64. Yes. Bloomberg's strong support surprises me. With the leak about Russian interfering, we will

know more I hope. If one thinks the GOP wants to hurt Bernie, one sees this Russian thing as their attempt, but many of us believe the GOP is all in.

That would not be Bernie’s fault and neither would the Russians who, in any case, we know are
interfering with our election.

[Ghost Dog]

119. It wasn't a leak it was a briefing provided to WAPO

by a national security (intelligence) insider. Following a similar briefing to the NYT the previous day concerning alleged Russian state meddling in support of the Trump candidacy.

Intelligence services provide both information and disinformation depending on the circumstances and their goals.

If there is indeed such meddling currently in progress, I see no reason why, in the interest of electoral and national security, examples are not provided and explicitly called out. Why the clandestinity, if it's true?

[emmaverybo]

129. Agree. We need to know what they are up to specifically. But Sanders does have an ax to grind

over timing. Why the insider would proved info about the briefing close to Nevada caucus and WaPo decide to feature it on the eve.

I do think he could have done and do more about Russian disinformation and various connections
in his own campaign all along.

[lapucelle]

89. Which of the F.D.R. Wannabes Actually Understands New Deal Liberalism?

Suddenly, Franklin D. Roosevelt is all the rage. But many Democrats don’t understand what his legacy means.

Suddenly [...] Roosevelt is alive again in the 2020 Democratic primary campaign: His ideas for using government to improve lives echo through stump speeches across Iowa and New Hampshire.

But there’s a right way and a wrong way to revive Roosevelt. Before we allow anyone to assume his mantle, let’s separate candidates merely seeking inspiration for big ideas from those misappropriating his legacy.

Bernie Sanders, the most explicit of the Roosevelt wannabes, is in the latter category. He has repurposed the “Second Bill of Rights” address on his website to report that Roosevelt was constantly attacked as a socialist, so he must have actually been one — just like the independent senator from Vermont. He’s betting that a younger post-Cold War generation won’t conflate his brand of democratic socialism with communism, as many of their elders wrongly do.

But Roosevelt was an improvisational pragmatist — a “juggler,” he called himself — not a socialist. While his idea for Social Security contained socialistic elements (as did George W. Bush’s 2008 bank bailout), he understood that in a nation of strivers, the concept is a political loser.

When asked his political philosophy, he replied: “I’m a Christian and a Democrat, that’s all.”

snip==================================================================

Running for re-election in 1936, Roosevelt said of his big-money critics: “They are unanimous in their hate of me and I welcome their hatred.”

But when Mr. Sanders quotes that line in his stump speech, he doesn’t mention that Roosevelt soon tacked to the center. He rebuffed calls for national health insurance as impractical, backed a balanced budget, insisted that most welfare be connected to work and supported free trade.

As World War II approached, he abandoned the New Deal entirely and invited the corporate titans who loathed him to help him win it. With the end of the war in sight, he renewed his liberal domestic agenda with the landmark G.I. Bill, which inspired today’s Democratic focus on affordable education.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/fdr-democrats-2020.html

[58Sunliner]

34. BS, Bernie only adopts the D when it benefits him.

Plenty of liberals have taken a good look and see nothing but a man who has accomplished little given his position. He has no plans-none-just one long stump speech. No strategy, no numbers, NOTHING. ZERO, ZIP, NADA. I guess the goals just aren't that important. And he voted against the Magnitsky Act. Russia approves.

[redqueen]

59. What do you think "underground" means, in Democratic Underground?

I'm genuinely curious.

[denverbill]

120. I think that name was chosen 20 years ago and fit well at the beginning.

DU in the beginning was a tiny little unknown website where Democrats and people who lean Democratic could commiserate Bush's selection as President and, after 9-11, express opposition to the Iraq war. By 2004, supporting Howard Dean on this site and refusing to back a candidate who voted for the war got a lot of people kicked off. The same thing happened in 2016, where Sanders and his supporters were harassed and condemned to a point that a lot were kicked off and many others just quit coming.

DU is now probably one of the biggest Democratic websites on the internet and don't think the Democratic Party doesn't know it. They most certainly have a presence here, as do conservatives and and even Russians, as evidenced by the fact that they actually went to the effort to hack DU in 2016.

It's not really 'underground' if everyone knows about it and uses it to serve their own purposes.

[redqueen]

122. I just mean we're supposed to be smarter than pretending "establishment" means every democrat.

Are we TRYING to look like idiots?

[denverbill]

123. I never said establishment means every Democrat. And I don't think that.

[David__77]

100. I think that is true in a sense.

It is pro-Democratic, and the Democratic Party is a big tent party with people in it across the political spectrum.

[NRaleighLiberal]

11. at some point, we seem to have become CU or MU

(centrist or moderate underground).

This liberal is really puzzled.

[hay rick]

21. 2016.

There was a mass expulsion of Sanders supporters, many of whom emigrated to the Jackpine Radicals Forum. The sum of the two resulting parts (DU + JPR) is significantly less than the original whole.

[PufPuf23]

50. Maybe the "Underground" is now the misnomer?

The DU of today is not the DU of the GWB years.

I am troubled that so many well spoken posters left and how those voices are loosely grouped as Russian bots now.

The big sin is to not support the failed policies of neoliberalism, failed in that the "goods" derived from neoliberalism could have been achieved by other, often cheaper, methods. Failed in that look at the mess we are in now.

That said, I am a supporter of Warren this cycle but perhaps she is best left in the Senate or moved to Cabinet or VP.

[redqueen]

61. Well said

I miss the DU from back then.

[PufPuf23]

65. Thank you. I miss the old DU too.

I had another screen name but switched to current during one of the forum changes years ago.

I have never been anything but a dependable vote for the Democratic party since registered to vote in 1971.

Don't intend to leave the Democratic Party and don't intend to leave DU but am free to roll my eyes sitting at my pc.

May this all work out for the best. We (said from the perspective of a retired ill-health boomer) need more young heroes.

Lots will occur in the next 8 months. May there be pleasant surprises for the Democratic party and nation.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

97. I miss the old DU too.

It's not like it was.

[Codeine]

62. Actually you'll find most of us

are as liberal and progressive as Bernie. I’ve no problem with his policies at all, I just think he’s an absolute trainwreck as a politician and is congenitally unsuited to the role of President.

There’s also quite a bit of bitterness left over on this website from the absolutely horrid way Bernie fans behaved in the ‘16 campaign. It was pretty shitty.

But be assured if he wins we’ll all vote for him. The fact that we aren’t enthused about the #bendtheknee demands shouldn’t be surprising, however.

[redstateblues]

74. Moderates have no place here. Its more likely SU. Socialist Underground

[MontanaMama]

81. Seems that way.

...

[brush]

13. America will not elect a socialist president is why. trump will win and democracy will end.

[kacekwl]

23. Then he should not

win the primary should he ?

[brush]

25. He still could but we need more than Dems to beat trump.

You think never-trumpers and enough Indies will vote for a socialist?

[Ghost Dog]

105. Sanders can mobilise not only young first-time voters

but also some of those who don't normally vote at all, because, they'll say, what's the point? Nothing ever changes...

[redstateblues]

131. As long as he's promising the moon he can't lose

The primaries

[Kaleva]

14. It's a hangover left from 2016

[jcmaine72]

17. If a fraction of the virulent crap that's written about Bernie here

were written about any other candidate, there would be a veritable graveyard's worth of tombstones popping up every day.

But it's Bernie, so no lie stated against him can be too vicious, no conspiracy theory too implausible, for it not to be just a-okay it seems.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

98. Yeah noticed that

Moderates here talk shit about Bernie all the time and it's getting oooollld

[ibegurpard]

18. Don't get too worked over the opinions here

A lot of people here hate Bernie's guts for various reasons... fair or not. What are the majority of the people in your real life saying? Pay attention to that.

[AlexSFCA]

29. the majority of reallife dems I know are ok with bernie

[ibegurpard]

31. Same

there's still a lot of residual bitterness in some but nothing like what I see on this forum

[standingtall]

22. Reminder Trump was impeached and not only that

over half the country thought he should be removed from office. Now could over half the Country think that the impeached illegitimate President should be removed from office and then turn around and vote for him in November? Some people need to step back from the ledge. Bernie might be a bit riskier than other candidates, but I don't buy the he can't win theory.

[delisen]

45. He covered up Putin working on his behalf for over a month

He tainted the process by his silence and then told us that Russia was probably working against him.

How much worse can it be?

[brooklynite]

24. What "we" do here has no impact on what voters will do...

...but my analysis of what voters will do is what's making me unhappy.

[question everything]

26. He is not a Democrat. He hijacked our primaries

His goal is to dismantle the party as we know it. Yes, the party of Obama, of Pelosi, of Schumer.

[juliuswest]

36. He want's to reimagine the party in the image of FDR

[lapucelle]

90. Which of the F.D.R. Wannabes Actually Understands New Deal Liberalism?

Suddenly, Franklin D. Roosevelt is all the rage. But many Democrats don’t understand what his legacy means.

Suddenly [...] Roosevelt is alive again in the 2020 Democratic primary campaign: His ideas for using government to improve lives echo through stump speeches across Iowa and New Hampshire.

But there’s a right way and a wrong way to revive Roosevelt. Before we allow anyone to assume his mantle, let’s separate candidates merely seeking inspiration for big ideas from those misappropriating his legacy.

Bernie Sanders, the most explicit of the Roosevelt wannabes, is in the latter category. He has repurposed the “Second Bill of Rights” address on his website to report that Roosevelt was constantly attacked as a socialist, so he must have actually been one — just like the independent senator from Vermont. He’s betting that a younger post-Cold War generation won’t conflate his brand of democratic socialism with communism, as many of their elders wrongly do.

But Roosevelt was an improvisational pragmatist — a “juggler,” he called himself — not a socialist. While his idea for Social Security contained socialistic elements (as did George W. Bush’s 2008 bank bailout), he understood that in a nation of strivers, the concept is a political loser.

When asked his political philosophy, he replied: “I’m a Christian and a Democrat, that’s all.”

snip==================================================================

Running for re-election in 1936, Roosevelt said of his big-money critics: “They are unanimous in their hate of me and I welcome their hatred.”

But when Mr. Sanders quotes that line in his stump speech, he doesn’t mention that Roosevelt soon tacked to the center. He rebuffed calls for national health insurance as impractical, backed a balanced budget, insisted that most welfare be connected to work and supported free trade.

As World War II approached, he abandoned the New Deal entirely and invited the corporate titans who loathed him to help him win it. With the end of the war in sight, he renewed his liberal domestic agenda with the landmark G.I. Bill, which inspired today’s Democratic focus on affordable education.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/fdr-democrats-2020.html

[juliuswest]

93. thanks for the historical context n/t

[ripcord]

56. I wonder why the democratic part lets him run?

Could it be because the thought of a Bernie third party run scares the crap out of them? Of course it seems many here would have preferred that.

[58Sunliner]

27. You may if he gets the nomination.

[NurseJackie]

38. Did Russia help? It's a fair question. I think this "victory" is tainted.

[PufPuf23]

52. What some folks would call a "fair question", others would call a slur. nt.

[NurseJackie]

53. I can read. It's been in all the papers...

... Russia is helping Bernie. No slur. Fact.

[Ghost Dog]

106. Where's the evidence?

There is none.

[NurseJackie]

112. So you're telling me that it all just made-up? It never happened?

[Ghost Dog]

115. That would indeed be laughable,

were it not such a serious matter.

[NurseJackie]

117. Yeah right... um... okay. Sure.

Have a nice day.

[Squinch]

110. And still others will call an Intelligence Briefing.

[Linda Ed]

41. Take a look at some of the things he says on Politifact...TAKE A LOOK AT POLITIFACT

LOT OF PANTS ON FIRE ABOUT MANY OF THE CANDIDATES..

Says Mike Bloomberg “opposed modest proposals during Barack Obama’s presidency to raise taxes on the wealthy, while advocating for cuts to Medicare and Social Security.”
barely-true
By Jon Greenberg • February 18, 2020 MOSTLY FALSE

“Pete Buttigieg is a favorite candidate of Wall Street and the health care industry.” HALF TRUTH

“Bernie Sanders wants free health care for all and was asked how he would pay for it. His answer was raise taxes to 52% on anybody making over $29,000 per year.” FALSE BUT the rethugs are spreading this all over FB

Bernie said Says Mike Bloomberg “opposed modest proposals during Barack Obama’s presidency to raise taxes on the wealthy, while advocating for cuts to Medicare and Social Security.” MOSTLY FALSE

BERNIE Says Mike Bloomberg is “a candidate who in 2015 stated, and I quote: ‘I, for example, am not in favor, have never been in favor of raising the minimum wage.’” MOSTLY TRUE
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?page=2

[larwdem]

55. I will vote

for,,,wait for-it- Bernie if he wins the primaries. that is all.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Don't worry, soon the denial & anger over Bernie winnin the Democratic nomination

will start to wane, and then acceptance will set in... that's when we can begin the process of uniting behind Bernie and his progressive agenda for working class folks. It's just gonna take some time... but, eventually, we'll all come together in support of Bernie, as our nominee, like we did for Hillary & for all nominees in past general elections. It's what we do as loyal Democrats!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[EveHammond13]

67. he insulted us and our party

[wisteria]

68. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't consider him a true Democrat.

And, now that I know he hates the party, I have no time for him.

[MontanaMama]

82. Repeat yourself much?

Good grief.

[Dream Girl]

70. The stakes are as high as they've ever been

[Gore1FL]

78. It's viscerally re-fighting 2106. nt

[Qutzupalotl]

86. For voters to decide wisely, they need information.

Better to hear it now from us rather than in the fall from Republicans. Vet now, unify later.

[Fiendish Thingy]

87. Fear makes people say and do things they might not do otherwise

These times require tremendous courage from all resisters.

[pnwmom]

88. I don't get why Bernie attacks the Democratic party on an almost daily basis.

I don't get why he almost primaried Barack Obama in 2012.

I don't get a lot of things about Bernie, but if you want to support him, even though Buttigieg is exactly the kind of moderate, establishment Democrat Bernie can't stand -- fine.

[randr]

101. We are here to discuss the merits

and faults of our candidates as we see them. We are not a cult of cheer leaders.

[Demsrule86]

104. It is not about our chosen candidate but about losing the general.

[Sienna86]

116. Well said. Putin loves our division.

Let this play out fairly and we’ll see who our nominee is in July. Vote blue no matter who.

[empedocles]

126. Still another time/space gulping BS thread - with the same bs defenses

It's like the BS supporters never learned anything from the BS 2016 campaign history course.