Looks like some moderates are worried the Dem nominee won't line up with them ideologically.

[DanTex]

You know who has a lot of experience with that kind of situation? Lefties like me.

You know what we do when that happens? We vigorously support, donate, and vote for the Dem candidate.

It's not complicated.

[George II]

1. Where does it "look like" that?

[DanTex]

2. On MSNBC, where Joy Reid is talking about her "mourning" centrist friends.

[George II]

6. That's not a valid consensus. No one is mourning.

[DanTex]

7. I didn't say it was a consensus.

[wyldwolf]

21. another leftie speaking anecdotally?

[brooklynite]

3. You know who didn't win back the House? Lefties like you.

We support moderates because they can actually WIN competitive races.

Simple example. Sanders has been elected in Vermont since 1991. Name a "leftie" who's been elected as Governor of Vermont or to one of the other Statewide offices.

[George II]

11. Not a single seat was flipped red to blue by "lefties" in 2018. In fact, some of those who flipped..

...seats from red to blue defeated "lefty" candidates in their primaries and went on to win the general election.

[RandiFan1290]

18. Oh noes!

Calling us 'lefties' now?



Have a bad night? =

[NurseJackie]

19. Oh, FFS! The OP used that term.

Calling us 'lefties' now?

Oh, FFS! The OP used that term.

[Blue_true]

32. Shumlin was a very left progressive governor of that state. nt

[CalFione]

4. No... we're certain he won't line up ideologically

with the majority of the electorate in November.

[W_HAMILTON]

5. Given all the concessions Hillary made to Sanders in 2016...

...even though she dominated him in a way that Sanders almost assuredly won't win the nomination by in 2020 even if he were to win, what makes you think that? Are you saying that Sanders, if he were to win, will not offer concessions to the other candidates -- candidates that very well may, in fact, have enough delegates to keep him from winning the nomination outright?

[DanTex]

10. I say that because there is a sort of doom-and-gloom nature to some posts here, on social media,

and even on MSNBC Joy Reid is talking about her moderate Dem friends feeling a sense of "mourning."

But if I've misread all that, and centrist Dems are cool with Bernie being the nominee, then so much the better.

[mr_lebowski]

28. I'd venture to say such mourning is to do w/fear of losing at such a critical time in US history

in a great many more cases than it's to do with fear of Bernie differing from them ideologically.

If I'z to hazard a guess, that'd be at least 70% of people expressing dismay at the prospect.

Just in case, you know, you'd not deduced that on your own thus far.

[Kaleva]

8. I don't recall the folks who left for JPR doing that.

[Squinch]

26. Many have very recently returned here, so maybe we can ask them about it.

[Blue_true]

33. Like they are going to out themselves to answer. nt

[Squinch]

34. I know. But they're so recognizable, even so!

[rzemanfl]

9. Hoping for five. n/t

[greenjar_01]

12. Zero money, zero door knocks, zero phone calls, zero speaking with friends and family

He'll get my vote, if i can bring myself to it in the booth. That's it.

I'll be putting my money where it will be desperately needed: the DCCC to save the seats Sandersism will be pissing away.

[white_wolf]

13. Seriously, leftists have been putting up with this BS since Clinton

And it's done nothing for the country.

[msongs]

15. well you are right that putting up with BS has done little for the country one way or the other nt

[gulliver]

14. I think non-supporters of Sanders don't support him strictly because he'll lose us the election.

We're aligned ideologically. Sanders just talks about the same things the so-called moderates talk about but in a way that ensures their certain failure.

[Scotch-Irish]

16. Boy Dan Tex!!! You nailed it!! Lefties have been having to hold our noses for a VERY LONG TIME!!!

We haven't had a liberal in office since JFK, and he wasn't THAT liberal!!

[NurseJackie]

20. "We haven't had a liberal in office since JFK," --- ROFL ROFL ROFL

We haven't had a liberal in office since JFK,

[wyldwolf]

22. "progressive" revisionism. JFK wasn't one of you.

[Scotch-Irish]

23. So tell me...who do you think was the most liberal president?

Certainly not Obama or Clinton.

[wyldwolf]

24. Why not Obama or Clinton?

Assault weapons ban, Family and Medical Leave Act, SCHIP, gay marriage, Affordable Care Act, Stimulus bill?

[wyldwolf]

38. The DNC is the republican arm of the democratic party?

How can you even be taken seriously after that statement.

And you did nothing to actually address my reply to you.

[Scotch-Irish]

39. Let's just say that we'll agree to disagree.

I'm a liberal. You're a conservative. Things look different to each of us.

[wyldwolf]

41. You also seem to be a little mislead. It happens.

[Blue_true]

35. JFK was staunch cold-warrior. nt

[wyldwolf]

40. JFK

1. A tax-cutter who championed across-the-board, top-to-bottom reductions in corporate tax rates.

2. Suspicious of welfare, "“I do not believe that Washington should do for the people what they can do for themselves through local and private effort."

3. A Cold War anticommunist who aggressively increased military spending.

“I am not a liberal at all,” Kennedy once told the Saturday Evening Post. “I’m not comfortable with those people.” Journalist and JFK insider Ben Bradlee confirmed it. “He hated the liberals.”

“When young, wealthy, and conservative John Fitzgerald Kennedy announced for Congress, many people wondered why,” it began. “Hardly a liberal even by his own standards, Kennedy is mainly concerned by what appears to him as the coming struggle between collectivism and capitalism. In speech after speech he charges his audience ‘to battle for the old ideas with the same enthusiasm that people have for new ideas.’ ”

Eleanor Roosevelt was asked in a TV interview whom she would support if forced to choose “between a conservative Democrat like Kennedy and a liberal Republican [like] Rockefeller.” FDR’s widow, then as now a progressive icon, answered that she would do all she could to make sure Kennedy wouldn’t be the party’s nominee.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/10/19/would-jfk-never-liberal-still-find-home-democratic-party/ZrxV7lJYHrvWxOjXItAuZJ/story.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/08/the-new-new-left-is-no-new-frontier-and-jfk-was-no-liberal.html

[Blue_true]

42. Reagan was still an activist Union member when Kennedy was elected.

Kennedy's two shining stars was he launched the Space Race and he talked about Civil Rights for Blacks and like Ike, used the National Guard to stand down racist southern governors, although it was LBJ that did the massive lifting on Civil Rights.

Other than those two things, he was pretty conservative.

[dsc]

17. He will cost my governor his job that is what I am worried about

in 2016 Cooper won by 10k votes out of 4 million votes cast while Hillary lost by a bit over 3%. Sanders will lose by 10 here with Trump getting at least 53 compared to his 49 in 2016. Cooper can't overcome that.

[Blue_true]

36. They don't care.

Like Bernie, they view us as the enemy tolerable only because they are forced to tolerate us.

Maybe they need a massive wakeup call, the problem is that comes with severe damage to the country.

[Codeine]

25. Unrelated to ideology.

I line up more closely with Bernie than any other candidate, so it’s not his positions that bother me. His temperament, competence, demeanor, and executive decision-making abilities are what fail to impress me. He’s simply not presidential material in my opinion.

[Lunabell]

27. I've been a Democrat my whole adult life.

I have NEVER considered voting third party. I have always supported the democratic candidates. Shame on those who won't give a progressive candidate a chance. Let the people speak.

[Qutzupalotl]

29. Sanders aligns with me very well, I just don't think he can win the EC.

Without that, all his policies are meaningless and all his hard work is for nothing.

To me, this is not a wish list election. This is a restore-the-norms election. The foundations of our democratic republic are under attack, and I want someone who will strengthen them. Foreign actors are attacking truth itself; without agreed-upon truths, democracy cannot function. Our allies are doubting us; I want someone who will reassure them we are back.

Clearly Trump and Putin are afraid of Biden and welcome running against Sanders.

More than anything, I want to win.

[Renew Deal]

30. Sanders will never be president

And everyone will have to deal with the consequences of that one way or another.

[rockfordfile]

31. If Sanders or any one of the other Nominees runs against Trump he or she will win

But it will take unity.

[Beartracks]

43. My job on Election Day is to vote for the candidate MOST CLOSELY aligned with me.

Out of the two viable alternatives (sorry, third party folks, but that's just the way it is), that candidate is going to be the one running on the Democratic ticket.

Don't matter to me if that person is far-left progressive or corporate centrist -- the Democrat will be MOST CLOSELY aligned with my priorities and values, and so they get my vote.

I don't care if they used to be a Republican.

I don't care if they voted for the Iraq War.

I don't care if they took PAC money.

I don't care if they insulted my preferred candidate earlier in the process.

The time to care about all that that was during the primaries. But on the day of the General Election: I HAVE ONE JOB.

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