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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:04 AM Feb 2020

Sanders eviscerates the conventional wisdom about why he can't win

LAS VEGAS — On Saturday in Nevada, Bernie Sanders laid waste not just to his five main rivals but also to every shard of conventional wisdom about the Democratic presidential primaries.

You could see the dominoes of punditry cliches falling inside the caucus rooms. At the Bellagio Hotel, which held one of several “Strip caucuses” meant to be easily accessible to hospitality workers along Vegas’ main drag, 75 Sanders supporters gathered along the wall of a ballroom.

The powerful Culinary Union, which opposes Sanders’ Medicare for All plan and spent the final weeks of the campaign in a high-profile fight with his campaign, was supposed to weaken him. And yet the Sanders’s ranks were speckled with red-shirted Culinary members. (Overall, Sanders won 34% of caucus-goers from union households, besting all of his rivals.)

Sanders wasn’t supposed to be able to break through with black and brown voters, but the group was racially and ethnically diverse. (Sanders won 27% of African Americans and 53% of Hispanics across the state.) The Sanders movement is supposed to be limited to those crazy college kids who don’t remember socialist as a slur. But there were plenty of older Sanders backers at the Bellagio chanting “Bernie” along with their 20-something comrades. (Sanders won every age category in the state except Nevadans over 65, which he ceded to Joe Biden.)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/22/bernie-sanders-nevada-2020-election-116762

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Sanders eviscerates the conventional wisdom about why he can't win (Original Post) peoli Feb 2020 OP
I wonder if Sanders will do as well with the Latino vote in Texas. redqueen Feb 2020 #1
Bernie does well with ALL demographics...cuz his progressive vision worx for the benefIt of EVERYONE InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #2
Does it really worx!?! Eko Feb 2020 #4
Yes it really does Worx. booley Feb 2020 #6
Not sure how it could be a typo Eko Feb 2020 #11
Love it. rwsanders Feb 2020 #15
Of course I never said anything of the sort Eko Feb 2020 #17
What was the point of bringing up the typo? I must have missed that. rwsanders Feb 2020 #18
Just because you missed it Eko Feb 2020 #24
OK boomer rwsanders Feb 2020 #28
Ok little kid. Eko Feb 2020 #29
Thanks I'll take that! rwsanders Feb 2020 #32
This. CentralMass Feb 2020 #7
Yep. Bernie is a man of the people. jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #8
Au contraire, mon ami. pazzyanne Feb 2020 #33
He had almost exactly the same outcome as he did last time in NV. No one will win the primaries pnwmom Feb 2020 #35
My Hispanic husband cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #3
According to polls Sanders leads the Latino vote at 30% booley Feb 2020 #9
Question is will that translate into enough minority voters actually showing up to vote when cstanleytech Feb 2020 #19
You should have seen El Paso going crazy for him today...and they were lined up outside Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #10
they keep underestimating him booley Feb 2020 #5
I think this article covers a lot of the whys rwsanders Feb 2020 #21
No it doesn't LostinRed Feb 2020 #12
Oh lord... jmowreader Feb 2020 #13
Oh wow!! blue-wave Feb 2020 #14
And the crystal balls show this because 2016 went so well? rwsanders Feb 2020 #16
Well, maybe 2016 would have gone better if blue-wave Feb 2020 #22
Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most uponit7771 Feb 2020 #30
McGovern seriously? white_wolf Feb 2020 #23
As a matter of fact, I do. It's posted just above your snarky comment. blue-wave Feb 2020 #26
Too bad the aloof Joe Biden peequod Feb 2020 #25
Nah HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #31
Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most uponit7771 Feb 2020 #20
If that qualifies as "eviscerates" we're in big trouble. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #27
Great read erlewyne Feb 2020 #34
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
1. I wonder if Sanders will do as well with the Latino vote in Texas.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:08 AM
Feb 2020

If I were to guess based on personal anecdotal evidence that would be a BIG yes. We shall see.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
2. Bernie does well with ALL demographics...cuz his progressive vision worx for the benefIt of EVERYONE
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:15 AM
Feb 2020

in the working class!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!! l

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Eko

(7,245 posts)
4. Does it really worx!?!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:30 AM
Feb 2020

OMG!!

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booley

(3,855 posts)
6. Yes it really does Worx.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:05 AM
Feb 2020

We kept pointing out Sanders is popular among PoC. He has one of if not the most diverse base.

A typo doesn't' change that.

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Eko

(7,245 posts)
11. Not sure how it could be a typo
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:21 AM
Feb 2020

as the x is so very far away from the k.

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rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
15. Love it.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:00 AM
Feb 2020

Don't vote for Bernie, his supporters can't spell.

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Eko

(7,245 posts)
17. Of course I never said anything of the sort
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:02 AM
Feb 2020

That would be your assumption of what I meant and it is way off course.

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rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
18. What was the point of bringing up the typo? I must have missed that.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:04 AM
Feb 2020
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Eko

(7,245 posts)
24. Just because you missed it
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:08 AM
Feb 2020

doesn't mean that it is something other than what I said.

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rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
32. Thanks I'll take that!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:43 AM
Feb 2020
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jcmaine72

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8. Yep. Bernie is a man of the people.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:06 AM
Feb 2020
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pazzyanne

(6,543 posts)
33. Au contraire, mon ami.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:08 AM
Feb 2020

He is not "a man of (all) people". Many of us agree with his policies, but believe others who have similar policies have a better process for getting from point A to point B.

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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
35. He had almost exactly the same outcome as he did last time in NV. No one will win the primaries
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:10 AM
Feb 2020

without a majority of the vote, and he's never had it.

With all he's been doing to alienate the party, I don't know why anyone would think he'd win a brokered convention.

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cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
3. My Hispanic husband
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:17 AM
Feb 2020

Who unfortunately can't vote likes "La Señora" (Warren) best but also likes Bernie. There's a lot of favorable coverage of Bernie on Telemundo and Univision.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
9. According to polls Sanders leads the Latino vote at 30%
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:10 AM
Feb 2020

So I think there is a good chance.

Not we should take anything for granted of course.



https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/campaign-wire-election-2020/card/1582048112

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cstanleytech

(26,230 posts)
19. Question is will that translate into enough minority voters actually showing up to vote when
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:04 AM
Feb 2020

the election is held in November.
Unfortunately if the answer turns out to be no then all the early support in the world for the nomination itself doesn't matter.
If they show up though great because its about time the minority voters finally start flexing their power but if not we might get 4 more years from that shit stain that is currently holding the office of President.

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Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
10. You should have seen El Paso going crazy for him today...and they were lined up outside
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:16 AM
Feb 2020

unable to fit more people in. Bernie's message resonates with the majority of Americans. Even a bunch of republicans.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
5. they keep underestimating him
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:01 AM
Feb 2020

I think in large part because they Bernie Sanders the establishment and media think they know doesn't' actually exist except in their own minds.

How can anyone think Sanders is divisive when he just won three very different states?

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LostinRed

(840 posts)
12. No it doesn't
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:32 AM
Feb 2020

His policy screw the middle class.

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jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
13. Oh lord...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:41 AM
Feb 2020

Sanders can't win because Trump knows exactly which buttons to push to turn the electorate against him.

One attack that is going to be very effective: "Sanders will take your house away." He's running on the Green New Deal, and the GND calls for either massively upgrading or totally replacing every building in America within the next 10 years, in search of better energy efficiency.

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blue-wave

(4,344 posts)
14. Oh wow!!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:47 AM
Feb 2020

They just don't get it, they just don't get it, they just don't get it.

Bernie will not win. It'll be another McGovern fiasco.

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blue-wave

(4,344 posts)
22. Well, maybe 2016 would have gone better if
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:06 AM
Feb 2020

so many Bernie supporters would not have voted for Trump. This effectively gave him the electoral votes he needed to win.

"Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election."

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

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uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
30. Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:30 AM
Feb 2020
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white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
23. McGovern seriously?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:07 AM
Feb 2020

Do you have any arguments that aren't from the last century?

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blue-wave

(4,344 posts)
26. As a matter of fact, I do. It's posted just above your snarky comment.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:12 AM
Feb 2020

Have a wonderful day.

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peequod

(189 posts)
25. Too bad the aloof Joe Biden
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:09 AM
Feb 2020

Can’t seem to make that case himself when it counts. He has this funny habit of losing primaries/caucuses... badly. We shall see what SC brings.

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HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
31. Nah
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:31 AM
Feb 2020

They will beat him with the payroll tax increase for the working class and income tax increase for the middle class to pay for M4A (which would never get 60 votes in the senate anyway). They won’t need the environmental stuff, though I have to admit you make a good point about something I had not previously considered.

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uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
20. Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:05 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
27. If that qualifies as "eviscerates" we're in big trouble.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:13 AM
Feb 2020

That’s kids stuff. Wouldn’t so much as muss one of Dump’s orange locks.

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erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
34. Great read
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:08 AM
Feb 2020

and I am pinched for time. Your post is great but I got enhanced
by the replies. I wished we were all setting at the same table. I
mean "literal table, you know. made out of wood". As Democrats
we are sitting at the same table. It would be fun yelling at one
another (in jest).

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