I'm not a Sanders supporter, but Chris Matthews has made me

[bluedye33139]

angry with his ridiculous, over the top attacks on Sanders.

For some reason, Sanders brings out intense hyperbolic statements and unbearable feelings in a lot of his detractors and in a few of his supporters. When people discuss him, they don't discuss him as a human being with specific policy ideas, but rather as a proxy for revolution or destruction or whatever people claim to see in him.

If he becomes the nominee, that would not be the worst catastrophe possible. The worst catastrophe possible would be for Democrats to refuse to vote for Bernie Sanders in the general election. And that's kind of not on him.

If he doesn't become the nominee, then we will all argue and fight, but we must move forward.

For Matthews to suggest that people voting in a free and fair election for a Jewish candidate is as bad as the Nazis taking over the world... I can't get my head around that. What an insane statement.

[mr_lebowski]

1. Chris Hayes said that?

Wow, I used to like that guy okay ... disappointed ...

[tblue37]

3. Chris Matthews said that. nt

[mr_lebowski]

6. I know ;)

I was being coy ...

[tblue37]

2. Wasn't it Chris MATTHEWS who said that? nt

[bluedye33139]

10. Oh my God, I'm posting with the migraine and misfiring

Thanks!

[PunkinPi]

4. I think you've confused Chris Hayes with Chris Mathews. nt

[First Speaker]

5. Don't you mean Christopher Matthews...?

[Mosby]

50. That's why I always call him tweety, no confusion.

[DanTex]

7. I think you mean Chris Matthews.

But, yeah, I get what you're saying. The Bernie-bashing in the media and elsewhere, I think, has turned a lot of people into Bernie supporters just because it's so over-the-top.

[Fresh_Start]

8. if democrats don't vote for Sanders...it is definitely on sanders

because he failed to unite the voters to vote for him.

[bluedye33139]

22. That's one way to look at it. I know I hold some blame for Hillary Clinton for 2016

[Fresh_Start]

27. Bernie has been disparaging of the democratic party for years

so he has no basis to complain if people listened to him.

[bluedye33139]

29. I think in a democratic society, people are free to decline support for any politician

Democrats easily could turn their backs on Bernie Sanders. And that would be a catastrophe if he is the Democratic nominee for the White House in 2020. Of course people have a right to vote however they wish, and our votes are often guided by our emotions and our resentments and our fears.

It's not only possible, it is one of the most likely outcomes, namely, the Democrats will refuse to vote for Bernie Sanders in the general election. That would be a catastrophe.

[Fresh_Start]

33. that would not be a catastrophe...the catastrophe would be

if the voters don't get out to vote for Democratic congressional representatives and senators.

The presidency is not the critical branch, the legislature is the critical branch.

[Turin_C3PO]

41. Control of the executive branch

IS critical. Look how much damage Trump has done, most of it because of his executive power. Democrats must put aside any hard feeling and vote blue no matter who. Otherwise, we will descend into full blown fascism.

[Fresh_Start]

45. no its not because of his executive power, its because the GOP controls the senate

so there can't be an effective challenge to executive power. We must work to secure co-equal branches of government and not give in to unrestrained executive power...no matter which party is in the white house.

[The Mouth]

34. If they don't vote for Sanders if he's the nominee

then they aren't Democrats, they're swine.

[wyldwolf]

9. Chris Pine did NOT say that.

[bluedye33139]

19. Lol

I think I'm being reminded to never post after waking up and being grumpy.

[texasfiddler]

11. Chris Hayes has always supported the Dems

Chris Matthews on the other hand

[bluedye33139]

13. Maybe I need to wake up before I post

migraine...shame...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. I think you're talking about Matthews, not Hayes.

Hayes has always been kind of a Bernie sympathizer if not an outright supporter. Matthews, on the other hand, often goes off into hysterical hyperbolic rants and should be ignored. Remember the thrill he said he got up his leg when W landed on the aircraft carrier? He says weird shit all the time.

[unc70]

14. Please correct your post

It was Chris MATTHEWS, not Chris HAYES

[bluedye33139]

17. Corrected. Refresh Your browser

[TwilightZone]

15. "For Chris Hayes to suggest that"

You might want to fix that.

[bluedye33139]

16. Refresh. I fixed it

[TwilightZone]

20. No, it's still wrong in the text.

Last paragraph.

[bluedye33139]

21. Thanks, I will get it

[TwilightZone]

25. ...

[TwilightZone]

18. Matthews has always been hyperbolic.

It's one of the reasons that I ignore him as much as possible.

[bluedye33139]

23. His whole brand was shouting in the '90s.

[TwilightZone]

24. Yep.

[thesquanderer]

49. Yes, but here I don't think he was saying it was "as bad as" but rather "as hard to believe as"

i.e. that the perceived biggest and most unbeatable force could be so overwhelmed by the enemy. Yes, I'll grant he sees the Sanders wing as the enemy, but not that they are Nazi-like or as bad as Nazis, I don't see that.

[NurseJackie]

28. My opinion of him just SKYROCKETED!!! I'm glad he's speaking truthfully.

[bluedye33139]

30. Using Nazi imagery against Jewish people is abhorrent imho

[NurseJackie]

43. ...

[bluedye33139]

47. Oh, you don't understand? Anti-Jewish speech customarily

utilizes references to Hitler, Nazism, and the Shoah. The reason that it utilizes these references is because they are intensely painful to Jewish people, and people who use these types of attacks are doing so because they are very comfortable with the vileness of the imagery.

Lots of people are upset by this. Others, you perhaps, find great joy in it. You find it not to be problematic?

[NurseJackie]

48. ...

I understand more than you think I do.

[MontanaMama]

32. lol. Tweety drives me insane...

But apparently he’s had a moment of clarity!

[NurseJackie]

44. Thank you!

[Loki Liesmith]

31. Matthews has been bonkers for years

I can’t stand Bernie but don’t take anything Matthews says seriously

[Squinch]

35. "And in a few of his supporters."

[bluedye33139]

36. There's a militant cadre that would be very problematic for an administration

I think it would be really hard for his hardcore supporters to work with anyone in DC on anything. Nonetheless, another Trump term will essentially destroy this nation.

[showblue22]

37. I with Chris Mathews

He's a political commentator exercising his 1st amendment rights. 1st amendment rights is the defense Bernie supporters used for Joe Rogan and Cenk. Bernie dishes out a lot of criticism of the democratic party. I mean, republicans do not believe in the rule of law, democracy or fair elections.. I think it's dangerous and repulsive how Bernie lumps democrats with republicans.

[bluedye33139]

38. Do you customarily use Nazi imagery to attack Jews? That's your first amendment right

It is a common feature of verbal attacks and Jewish people, and has been for 80 years. It is an unconscionable and abhorrent practice.

[showblue22]

46. Isn't Chris Mathews a democrat?

Anti antisemitism on the left is an oxymoron. At least that is what is said here on DU.

[stonecutter357]

39. I am boycotting MSNBC until chris matthews is gone !

[MH1]

40. I watched the clip, I don't think he was equating Sanders with Nazis AT ALL. (but was stupid anyway)

I don't like Matthews at all, and I think it was idiotic for him to come anywhere near that analogy, considering BS is Jewish. I mean geez, dude.

BUT, my interpretation was just that he was saying that's how thoroughly and finally the other candidates were defeated .... that any question of who "won" NV was just as "over" as when that general reported France had fallen.

But yeah, why the fuck latch onto that particular historical event, unless Matthews had actually been thinking that way? But, I think it's a stretch to assert that what he actually said was definitely an equating of the two.

Just stupid on Matthew's part.

[bluedye33139]

42. Comparing to McGovern would have made so much more sense. Not Hitler.