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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:37 AM Feb 2020

If Biden or Bloomberg win the nomination we'll lose a lot of support as well.

Bernie's supporters are passionate. Everyone should vote blue no matter who. But, unfortunately, more people may not vote for Biden or Bloomberg than won't vote for Bernie.

We need change urgently. Most people know it even if they don't understand it.

That's why Bernie and Trump are so popular. Change.

I would love to see Warren because I think she will get more done but I'm fine with Bernie.

We need a hard left turn.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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If Biden or Bloomberg win the nomination we'll lose a lot of support as well. (Original Post) tecelote Feb 2020 OP
Pure speculation bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #1
So far, reality is proving this wrong. tecelote Feb 2020 #3
That would seem to be the case Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #8
If Bloomberg is nominee, it is not pure speculation that berners would bolt, denem Feb 2020 #14
I am less and less for Bernie as time goes on. katmondoo Feb 2020 #12
That is speculation as well Bettie Feb 2020 #15
Got much critical self-reflection? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #31
Good points evertonfc Feb 2020 #2
Change is what Bernie is all about!! We The People have been waitin DECADES InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #4
Any Democrat who does not vote for the Democratic nominee regardless who it is, will be still_one Feb 2020 #5
Agreed! tecelote Feb 2020 #6
I'm with you!! Sing it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #38
absolutely. If Sanders is the nominee I will vote for him without hesitation in the general still_one Feb 2020 #46
Yes. Yes, you are correct. mysteryowl Feb 2020 #7
Here we go again for chrissakes. apcalc Feb 2020 #13
You can disregard the truth, but it won't help our party. mysteryowl Feb 2020 #17
SOS apcalc Feb 2020 #18
Here is the division. I post a truth I know personally and you throw it away mysteryowl Feb 2020 #20
It has nothing to dO with YOU. apcalc Feb 2020 #45
That's for sure... weve got to be smart about this!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #47
Yep. 2016 redux. COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #40
What your friends say is only relevant to that small group of people. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #25
I've never made a vote based on threats. n/t Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #9
I'm sure all of Sanders' and Warrens' supporters feel exactly the same way. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #10
I've never heard a Biden supporter saying they will stay home Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #11
That's not what this OP is saying either. redqueen Feb 2020 #16
Yet others are to believe these folks are mzmolly Feb 2020 #22
Agreed, and, these two candidates Magoo48 Feb 2020 #19
I just posted about that tecelote Feb 2020 #29
Sorry I missed it. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #41
We need to win and save our democracy. mzmolly Feb 2020 #21
+1 - thank you. n/t CousinIT Feb 2020 #24
Absolutely agree. tecelote Feb 2020 #27
Indeed. mzmolly Feb 2020 #44
Yea we need a hard left turn. Do we need it NOW? CousinIT Feb 2020 #23
Vote blue no matter who! tecelote Feb 2020 #26
Hard left will equal loss. democratisphere Feb 2020 #28
Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most out of uponit7771 Feb 2020 #30
Of course but not as large as Sanders uponit7771 Feb 2020 #32
In your opinion. tecelote Feb 2020 #33
Is anyone running for President except Bernie. It's Bernie, morning noon and night here. katmondoo Feb 2020 #34
Yeah, that's nice.... so how does that change happen? Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #35
That's why I'm for Warren tecelote Feb 2020 #39
Obviously, I support Liz. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #42
The 2018 results say different. Squinch Feb 2020 #36
then they are not democrats and should just go put on their maga hats now samnsara Feb 2020 #37
Agreed! tecelote Feb 2020 #43
 

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
1. Pure speculation
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:43 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie and Trump are popular? One is, one is not, have you noticed?

Hard left turn will lose the election.

More people may not vote for Bernie unless he makes his finances and medical records public, makes his programs sane and able to be paid for.

More people may vote for Bloomberg or Biden because they are fiscally responsible. In addition Biden is transparent about his tax records.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
3. So far, reality is proving this wrong.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:44 AM
Feb 2020

More people are for Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
8. That would seem to be the case
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:03 AM
Feb 2020

Time will tell, but I suspect that part of the loss of HRC in 2016 was the image of the status quo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
14. If Bloomberg is nominee, it is not pure speculation that berners would bolt,
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:15 AM
Feb 2020

no matter what Sanders might say. After preaching against the "billionaire class" up hill and down dale, how could Bernie credibly back a Wall Street billionaire from central casting?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
12. I am less and less for Bernie as time goes on.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:13 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(16,107 posts)
15. That is speculation as well
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:24 AM
Feb 2020

We would all like to know the answer, to be utterly sure that this or that will happen.

The fact is, we can't see into the future. NONE of us can.

I'm going with let the process play out...only 3 states have voted. We're not even a quarter of the way in.

But after that, I beg you to vote for your candidate and then, when it is done and we've got a nominee, work for that person as if they were your first choice, because any of our candidates is better than what we have roosting in the White House now.

Can you force people not to vote for Sanders?

Can you force people to vote FOR your chosen candidate? If you know of a way to do that, please share because my preferred candidate is awesome!

The process is ongoing. All but one of the candidates will lose, that is how it works. That is how it was designed to work.

And remember this: If we vote, we win. Getting out the vote is much more important than anything else.

If we vote, we win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
31. Got much critical self-reflection?
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. Good points
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:43 AM
Feb 2020

I think Biden would win and be fantastic for down ballot races in middle America..Bernie or Bloomberg are wild cards but both could win. I dont think we will see many people sit out in 2020. A lot of Bernie support are probably non party and would be interesting to see what they would do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
4. Change is what Bernie is all about!! We The People have been waitin DECADES
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:45 AM
Feb 2020

for an aggressive progressive like Bernie to arrive... we finally have our CHAMPION!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,190 posts)
5. Any Democrat who does not vote for the Democratic nominee regardless who it is, will be
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:48 AM
Feb 2020

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responsible if trump wins, and we lose the Supreme Court

I would use a few other words toward those who would not vote for the Democratic nominee, but I will refrain

What does comfortable mean for example

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
38. I'm with you!! Sing it!!
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:56 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,190 posts)
46. absolutely. If Sanders is the nominee I will vote for him without hesitation in the general
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 10:06 AM
Feb 2020

election

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mysteryowl

(7,384 posts)
7. Yes. Yes, you are correct.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:56 AM
Feb 2020

I have many friends that have vowed to either not to vote at all or to vote 3rd party. They are firm on their belief to walk away if the dems are seen as taking the nomination away from Bernie, that is if he wins it through this primary process.

That is not speculation, that is what people tell me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
13. Here we go again for chrissakes.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:15 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mysteryowl

(7,384 posts)
17. You can disregard the truth, but it won't help our party.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:25 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mysteryowl

(7,384 posts)
20. Here is the division. I post a truth I know personally and you throw it away
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

because you don't want it to be so.
Why do that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
45. It has nothing to dO with YOU.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 10:03 AM
Feb 2020

I could post my truth , which is altogether different from yours, and start it up again.

But why, what good would it do?

At this point I am sick of this back and forth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
47. That's for sure... weve got to be smart about this!!
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 10:21 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
40. Yep. 2016 redux.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:58 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
25. What your friends say is only relevant to that small group of people.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:37 AM
Feb 2020

We consistently make the mistake that our own personal sphere (or DU, for that matter) is indicative of something outside of that very limited scope. It's simply not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,289 posts)
9. I've never made a vote based on threats. n/t
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:04 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
10. I'm sure all of Sanders' and Warrens' supporters feel exactly the same way. nt
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:05 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mr.Bill

(24,289 posts)
11. I've never heard a Biden supporter saying they will stay home
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:07 AM
Feb 2020

or vote third party if their candidate doesn't get the win. Sanders has people running his staff who did just that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
16. That's not what this OP is saying either.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:24 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
22. Yet others are to believe these folks are
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:33 AM
Feb 2020

‘progressive?’

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
19. Agreed, and, these two candidates
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:29 AM
Feb 2020

have little or nothing new to offer voters on the globe’s number one issue—Climate Catastrophe. Although comparatively rarely discussed, Climate Catastrophe is crashing its way into all other concerns. It is the challenge whose lens all other problems will eventually be examined. If not, we’re deep shit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
41. Sorry I missed it.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:58 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
21. We need to win and save our democracy.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:31 AM
Feb 2020

Anyone who sits this election out, at the expense of others (blaming various ‘establishments’) is not a progressive.

Trump is in charge of a nuclear arsenal, he’s tried to start a Middle East war, he’s kidnapped and caged children, he thinks he is above the law, he’s firing anyone who attempts to hold him accountable, he’s appointing dangerous Judges to the SCOTUS and lower courts, he’s dismantling environmental protections, he’s poised to gut social progress and humanitarian programs ... but some will assert Bernie and Warren are the only options?

I’ll settle for a sane person who can win.

Susan Sarandon may be insulated from Trump’s America, but the earth is not, and neither are most of its inhabitants.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CousinIT

(9,244 posts)
24. +1 - thank you. n/t
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:35 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
27. Absolutely agree.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:41 AM
Feb 2020

Some will assert Bernie and Warren are the only options.
Some will assert Biden and Bloomberg are the only options

We all have to vote to remove Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
44. Indeed.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 10:02 AM
Feb 2020

The question is who is best equipped to do that, in the swing states? And, how is Bernie being helped by Russia? What impact (if any) has Russia had on the states that have held primaries thus far?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CousinIT

(9,244 posts)
23. Yea we need a hard left turn. Do we need it NOW?
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:34 AM
Feb 2020

Do we need it at the expense of losing our Democratic Republic forever at the hands of a Trump 2nd term?

Beating Trump and making a hard left turn do not have to be done all at once. Insisting on combining the two RIGHT NOW is disastrous IMO. Not to mention short-sighted and a bit childish.

VOTE. FOR. THE. NOMINEE. whoever it is. YES. Even Bloomberg or Sanders. GROW UP AND VOTE for the nominee. Period. We can do "hard left turn" AFTER we save our Republic from the clutches of Russia and Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
26. Vote blue no matter who!
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:39 AM
Feb 2020

No argument there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
28. Hard left will equal loss.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020

Obama has warned US of the dangers of hard left. Get smart. Time is running out to get this right!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
30. Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most out of
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020

... all the candidtes

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
32. Of course but not as large as Sanders
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
34. Is anyone running for President except Bernie. It's Bernie, morning noon and night here.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:48 AM
Feb 2020

We have so many great, and smart candidates where are they. People who have worked for years to make this a better country. Putin isn't supporting them only Bernie and Bernie hid that from us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
35. Yeah, that's nice.... so how does that change happen?
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:49 AM
Feb 2020

Right now I see plans that won;t get passed and can;t be paid for. So what happens when voters find out Sanders can't deliver the snake oil?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
39. That's why I'm for Warren
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:58 AM
Feb 2020

I think she'll get more done. But, I'm fine with Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
42. Obviously, I support Liz.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:59 AM
Feb 2020

I think Bernie will be a disaster, however.

And I've never wished I was wrong more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
36. The 2018 results say different.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:52 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
37. then they are not democrats and should just go put on their maga hats now
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:55 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
43. Agreed!
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:59 AM
Feb 2020

A non-vote is a vote for Trump no matter who you support today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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